Kryptorchid?

[BlackPuppy]

Okay, I'm importing a puppy from Sweden (he's still there) and in today's vet exam, the vet said he couldn't find the little guy's testicles. The lady said, they might still "show up" later, but they might not.

Has anybody here breeding pup ever had this happen? Does anybody know the English word for it?

I have a call into my vet to get a more technical assessment of the situation, but they are in an afternoon meeting.

I'm wondering what the chances are that the testicles will ultimately show up.


Carole

I found it is spelled with a "C" here. One question answered. So far, I haven't read anything about the testicles magically reappearing later.

 

[BostonBanker]

In horses, anyway, cryptorchid refers to a male who has one testicle retained inside the body cavity, while the other one descends normally. I know with horses, these horses should not be bred, and are a pain to geld. I don't know how it works with dogs.

 

[PWCorgi]

It's not that the testicles aren't there, they are but they just haven't dropped yet and might not.

 

[bubbatd]

I know one of the pup's testicles in one of my litters didn't descend until the pup was about 10 - 12 weeks old . How old is this pup and had you planned to show or breed ?

 

[setter-chick]

It depends on the breed at what time they will drop and lock. when they are puppies they go in and out when they get nervous. but if the IDK what its called closes and one testicle doesnt drop it will never drop, depends on the lines tho. how old is he? if your going to show him in AKC he has to have both of them. but if he is just a pet it doesnt matter. there is also some ways to try and get it down, like by massaging the area and stuff. But i guess one of our PBGV boys sucked his up at his 1st show, but luckly it came back down.

Pritty much you got a 50/50 chance, I would wait till he is adleast 12-14 (gustimet) to send him over. but i dont know his age.

 

[BlackPuppy]

Well, I should be working, but instead I'm researching this. It's possible he may be "sucking them up", it's also possible that they might appear as late as 6 months. But if not found by 6 months, it's not likely they're going to show up. I'm going to go ahead and buy the dog at a discount. I was going to show, but breeding isn't big on my list of things to do with him, anyway. Apparently, he has a great disposition.

I've learned that bi-lateral cryptorchid is when both are missing and uni-lateral is when only one is missing.

The pup is currently 10 weeks old.

 

[BlackPuppy]

In horses, anyway, cryptorchid refers to a male who has one testicle retained inside the body cavity, while the other one descends normally. I know with horses, these horses should not be bred, and are a pain to geld. I don't know how it works with dogs.

I've been reading that the neuter will cost more as they have to go into the abdominal cavity and search for the missing testicles. I better get a good discount!

I can't imagine having to find one in an animal as large as a horse.

 

[bnwalker2]

I can't imagine having to find one in an animal as large as a horse.

John's dad has Belgians and Clydesdales. All are geldings except one Clydesdale who is still a Stallion. The vet came out to geld him, we had him in the yard, and completely knocked out when the vet says "umm, I can only find one". So he just woke him back up... he said the horse would have to be taken to a special veterinarian and the surgery would be risky and extremely expensive. So, he's still a Stallion. I always thought cryptorchids could not sire, but he has sired a foal.

 

[SummerRiot]

ALL Cryptochid dogs SHOULD be fixed regardless. A male that is cryptochid has a higher chance of having problems with cancers (because of the imperfection). To nueter them is more expensive because it becomes an "exploritory surgery". which basically is its more similar to a spay.

If you had any intention of breeding or showing, I'd look for a different pup. BUT if all you want your new pup for is companionship or working then you'll have no problem with that.

They just really do NEED to be fixed, its a health hazard to them if they arent.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

any male animal with at least one down can sire offspring. When both are retained the body heat up there retards the growth of sperm and the animal is sterile as a result.

It does travel in lines...and the latest I would wait is 16 weeks. Most all my Beagle pups had them down by 8-10 weeks tho some yo-yo'd when uncomfortable or being "handled".

 

[drmom777]

A male with one undescended testicle is monorchid. A cryptorchid has both testicles undescended.

 

[Dekka]

I had a JRT that didn't have both down there till about 7 months. I was going to fix him anyway, but was glad they both showed up as it makes neutering simpler.

 

[Dekka]

A male with one undescended testicle is monorchid. A cryptorchid has both testicles undescended.

Thats not what the vets say. When we were talking to vet hospitals and the universities to have a pony who only had one descended, they all refered to him as cryptorchid.

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

I've been reading that the neuter will cost more as they have to go into the abdominal cavity and search for the missing testicles. I better get a good discount!

I can't imagine having to find one in an animal as large as a horse.

My aunt has a GSD from working lines who she had neutered at 8 months because of an undescended testicle and had to get an MRI done on the dog to find the other one. It was up around his anal sacs so he ended up being neutered twice...................so yes, as long as they can locate both it won't be to much more unless yours has to go through an MRI which can run high. That wasn't the norm though so I wouldn't worry about it

 

[fillyone]

Dante was cryptorchid (I too had everyone call it that even though one testicle had descended) and his neuter was more expensive. Of course :lol-sign: it didn't help that it was not in any of the "usual spots".

At that age your pups may still come down but I wouldn't count on it.

Good time to xray hips and elbows

 

[FrenchKissed]

Okay, I'm importing a puppy from Sweden (he's still there) and in today's vet exam, the vet said he couldn't find the little guy's testicles. The lady said, they might still "show up" later, but they might not.

Has anybody here breeding pup ever had this happen? Does anybody know the English word for it?

I would strongly advise you not to take such a puppy, if you are buying the dog for breeding or showing. Testicles that will come down, can at least be found and pulled into the sack. Testicles that cannot be pulled down will most likely never appear.
Going to that kind of trouble and expense to importa a dog, simply makes taking that risk, not worth it.

 

[MafiaPrincess]

I'd have serious concerns spending that amount of money to purchase and import a dog that could possibly be a cryptorchid.. I assume you want to do something with the dog that may involve breeding down the road...

If it was 'sucked up' I've always been told you can get it down and it pulls back up.. If it's just not really there, I wouldn't count on it dropping if it's not down in the 12-16 week range..

If it's not down ever.. or not down till way after that, I wouldn't really think highly of using that dog to breed. Do you know if there is any history of cryptorchidism in the puppy's lines at all? Not that it can't randomly show up either.. but there's also round about complicated genetics possible.

 

[MafiaPrincess]

A male with one undescended testicle is monorchid. A cryptorchid has both testicles undescended.

Everywhere I've ever read about cryptorchids it was one testicle.. so out of random curiosity I looked it up and thought this definition was fairly interesting and useful.

The Greek kryptos means hidden, secret, or covered, and the Greek orchi- is a combining form referring to the testicles. The condition is therefore called cryptorchidism and the dog so afflicted is called a cryptorchid.

If one testicle is retained, he is a unilateral (one-sided) cryptorchid and if both, a bilateral cryptorchid. A word commonly applied to the former is monorchid but this is a misnomer, as monorchidism would mean the presence of only one testicle anywhere in the body, not just in the scrotum. True monorchids are quite rare, as are anorchids (males with no testicles), and either condition can be verified only be extensive surgery.

http://www.dogstuff.info/cryptorchidism.html

 

[carlar]

I gambled once on a stud that only had one down at the time I purchased him hoping that it would come down before he was 6 months old. It didn't and I had to have him neutered. My vet said there is a higher rate of cancer if you don't have them neutered since the testicles are not designed to be in the heat of the body cavity. They are designed to rest in the outer bags to stay cooler.

 

[SummerRiot]

Just had to add -

if you are purchasing a Belgian puppy - PLEASE do NOT breed it if its cryptorchid..

dont make our breed a favourite of the BYB..