K9 Dogs Europe

[smkie]

i have never had to pinch or cause phyiscal discomfort to any puppy in my hmmmm lifetime of training experience. I use the word NO..and sound firm..then replace it with a yes..a toy that can be mouthed or a bit of play. I have taught litters at the same time..up to 8 at one time. Old boss taught me when i was very young to put a bit of growl in my voice. That was all that was ever needed.

 

[Old Dog]

Well I guess I must of been doing something wrong all these years having had 4 high scoring dogs in obedience and one wire fox terrier that was high scoring terrier in SE for 2years, gee what was I doing wrong. Maybe its because I never bribed them with food to get them to work. Oh I know I used traditional training methods I bet that was it!!!!!!! And in case you don't know what I scoring is in AKC obedience is, they had average scores of 199.5 out of a possible 200 consistantly.

 

[January]

I train SAR dogs and when we start the basic obedience we use, gulp, choke collars. Still do to this day at 4 months of age the pup is put in a choke collar and if used properly there are no injuries and there is no reason to suggest it is wrong. I also do use treats but usually a favorite toy when we are teaching the finding of people. We have a person hiden and they have the toy and when the dog finds them they are given the toy.

 

[k9dogs]

Then one more thing; if people are planning to buy a pup they have to beware of the thing that puppy’s like to play and bite in all king of things in the house or outside. That is a normal reaction. Especially in the beginning pups need a lot of time, making them do there things not in the house but outside, playing with them and teaching them to go at a strait line just like children. With all of those things you can do the most things with your voice. The voice is the most important thing in dog training.

Totally agree with you there. People often buy a breed because they think they're "cute" or just because they want to "save" them from the awful pet shop! I don't believe you can have a well behaved dogs with cookies and nice talking! I think that would lead to one unruly pup!
There is a place for "corrections" but there really is no need to do that physically. I've had countless pups, of nearly all breeds when I had a business that specialised in preventing unwanted puppy problems through vigorous socialisation and motivational methods. We taught the pups not to bite unless the owner specifically intiated (to aid in bite inhibition) and also taught the owners how to properly housetrain pups. It's amazing how many people label their dogs aggressive when their puppy starts mouthing them!
As for the voice being the most important thing in training, I'm yes/no on the subject. I generally speak little to my dogs, and when I do I speak very softly. This makes them have to listen sharply for commands, and if I ever raise my voice they are super attentive. I do tell them when they are doing wrong though (no reward marker), a sharp "uh-uh" but never if the problem is stress based.

I agree with you, I’m also not talking to much and when I do also softly. The work what I’m doing now has only to do with playing and make the dogs crazy at the ball. (drugs and explosives detection). I’m also not training with food.

 

[k9dogs]

I train SAR dogs and when we start the basic obedience we use, gulp, choke collars. Still do to this day at 4 months of age the pup is put in a choke collar and if used properly there are no injuries and there is no reason to suggest it is wrong. I also do use treats but usually a favorite toy when we are teaching the finding of people. We have a person hiden and they have the toy and when the dog finds them they are given the toy.

I think that a choke collar is not the right thing for a puppy from 4 months; there are other ways to do the training. Why you are using a choke collar?

 

[k9dogs]

Well I guess I must of been doing something wrong all these years having had 4 high scoring dogs in obedience and one wire fox terrier that was high scoring terrier in SE for 2years, gee what was I doing wrong. Maybe its because I never bribed them with food to get them to work. Oh I know I used traditional training methods I bet that was it!!!!!!! And in case you don't know what I scoring is in AKC obedience is, they had average scores of 199.5 out of a possible 200 consistantly.

Hi Old Dog, can you tell me what is AKC obedience, and what do they do there?

 

[k9dogs]

i have never had to pinch or cause phyiscal discomfort to any puppy in my hmmmm lifetime of training experience. I use the word NO..and sound firm..then replace it with a yes..a toy that can be mouthed or a bit of play. I have taught litters at the same time..up to 8 at one time. Old boss taught me when i was very young to put a bit of growl in my voice. That was all that was ever needed.

That is also my opinion, but not all people are doing that right and when the dog is 3-4 years you can still try it with your voice but it will not work on all. So then you have to think on something else.

 

[k9dogs]

Manchester had it right there are those of us here that have been in the dog game for over 40 years........trained,showed,bred and competed in shows then there are the pet owners.Nothing against pet owners its just a different way of thinking. As far as training there are those of us that use the traditional methods and those that use the gentler more friendly methods,conjoling,bribing and baiting with food ect which is fine each to his own they are the majority in this forum. They tend to condemn those of use that use traditional methods like collars and leash. Personally what ever works for your dog is great. We can all learn something new all the time no matter what we are doing. No question is stupid if you do not know the answer. The only way to learn is ask questions. Hope to hear more of your thoughts on training and your dogs.
Don't be put off.........it gets crazy sometimes but we are all hear to share and learn.

Axially I’ not, I have the same things over here in the Czech Republic. But over here I can show them what I mean, I can see the problem, and they can see it with there own eyes that it’s working. My English is, I think not well in of, to explain with writing what I mean. I will try to do my best to learn more words.

 

[yuckaduck]

Axially I’ not, I have the same things over here in the Czech Republic. But over here I can show them what I mean, I can see the problem, and they can see it with there own eyes that it’s working. My English is, I think not well in of, to explain with writing what I mean. I will try to do my best to learn more words.

I think your English is super good, do not worry if people read your posts and think about it they should be able to figure out what you mean. So far I have had no problems myself but I have to read slowely. That is the fun of people from all of the world, you learn new styles and you learn new words.

 

[k9dogs]

I think your English is super good, do not worry if people read your posts and think about it they should be able to figure out what you mean. So far I have had no problems myself but I have to read slowely. That is the fun of people from all of the world, you learn new styles and you learn new words.

Thank you that is very nice from you, but still I can not explain it like some of you can, will try to do my best.

 

[bridey_01]

I agree with you, I’m also not talking to much and when I do also softly. The work what I’m doing now has only to do with playing and make the dogs crazy at the ball. (drugs and explosives detection). I’m also not training with food.

I also use alot of toy-based reinforcement, I find that some dogs simply don't value food as much as they do toys (my kelpie). She is reinforced with a tug toy, because it's hard to do quick repetitions with a ball throw.

 

[Old Dog]

Hi Old Dog, can you tell me what is AKC obedience, and what do they do there?

The American Kennel Club holds confirmation and obedience shows. There are 3 titles you earn: CD-companion dog which is basicly heeling on/off leash,come on recall,stand for examination, and long sit and down stay. CDX,companion dog excellent, which is the same as above but off leash with high jumps,dog retrieves dumbell and broad jump and the sit and down are done with owner out of sight. UD which is Utility dog title which is basicly scent descremination of articles of leather, cloth and metal and most work is done with hand signals, directed jumping ect. You can also add a tracking degree and herding degree depending on the breed you are working with. So after the dogs reg. name you would have CD,CDX or UD title. All title work on mininmum qualifying score with highest score being a perfect 200.