K9 Dogs Europe
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There are always going to be folks who sucumb to childishness once in a while, lol. There is possibly going to be times when there is a bit of confusion due to certain "slang" expressions meaning different things in different places. It is always best to just ask. Don't assume someone is trying to make fun of your language skills. Ask them right out. Don't take someone else's explanation for what another person might mean by what they write. Ask the person that wrote the original statement. That way there can be no misunderstanding or confusion! Although I must admit, sometimes it does not take much to confuse me, rofl.
And remember.....when it comes to learning something none of us are familiar with, then yeah, we will maybe be like children learning a new skill.
And also.....bear in mind, there are some of us who are dumb like foxes......playing stupid just to see what others actually DO know!!!
And......bear in mind too, that there are many who post to this forum who have been involved in dogs and dog training a lot longer than you, who also have their ideas and opinions on what is the best method for training dogs. It is good to have different opinions, so there are many tools availlable for those in need to use. Imparting of knowledge is never a wasted effort!
There are always going to be folks who sucumb to childishness once in a while, lol. There is possibly going to be times when there is a bit of confusion due to certain "slang" expressions meaning different things in different places. It is always best to just ask. Don't assume someone is trying to make fun of your language skills. Ask them right out. Don't take someone else's explanation for what another person might mean by what they write. Ask the person that wrote the original statement. That way there can be no misunderstanding or confusion! Although I must admit, sometimes it does not take much to confuse me, rofl.
And remember.....when it comes to learning something none of us are familiar with, then yeah, we will maybe be like children learning a new skill.
And also.....bear in mind, there are some of us who are dumb like foxes......playing stupid just to see what others actually DO know!!!
And......bear in mind too, that there are many who post to this forum who have been involved in dogs and dog training a lot longer than you, who also have their ideas and opinions on what is the best method for training dogs. It is good to have different opinions, so there are many tools availlable for those in need to use. Imparting of knowledge is never a wasted effort!
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I am not sure either what the complaint is. Is it because we have asked you questions? Would you rather not help? I do not understand but if I have done something to upset you I am really sorry. I for one do appreciate the help you have given me and I am following it. I hope you join us and if there is a person that is bugging you there is a handy little ignore button that will allow you to never hear from that person again. Again if I have done something wrong, I am truely sorry.
Babyblue5290 said:
ummm......lol ok. 
I still don't totally get it but I guess it don't matter. lol Thanks for trying to clear that up for me manchesters!
I still don't totally get it but I guess it don't matter. lol Thanks for trying to clear that up for me manchesters!
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Ok I try to clear you up, I know my way of looking to dogs is an other one that most of you have. I don’t like training with forces but sometimes you have to. There is for some dogs on mostly privet ones, no other methods that will work anymore. Why so many dogs are going to the dog shelter that has a problem because it can not be fixed anymore. The reason that I started this is, that so many people think you can fix it you can fix problems only with nice talking and with a cookie. In many cases it is not working. If most people already from the beginning handle there pup good there will be no problems at all. Then one more thing; if people are planning to buy a pup they have to beware of the thing that puppy’s like to play and bite in all king of things in the house or outside. That is a normal reaction. Especially in the beginning pups need a lot of time, making them do there things not in the house but outside, playing with them and teaching them to go at a strait line just like children. With all of those things you can do the most things with your voice. The voice is the most important thing in dog training.
Babyblue5290 said:
ummm......lol ok. I still don't totally get it but I guess it don't matter. lol Thanks for trying to clear that up for me manchesters!
I still don't totally get it but I guess it don't matter. lol Thanks for trying to clear that up for me manchesters!
Manchester had it right there are those of us here that have been in the dog game for over 40 years........trained,showed,bred and competed in shows then there are the pet owners.Nothing against pet owners its just a different way of thinking. As far as training there are those of us that use the traditional methods and those that use the gentler more friendly methods,conjoling,bribing and baiting with food ect which is fine each to his own they are the majority in this forum. They tend to condemn those of use that use traditional methods like collars and leash. Personally what ever works for your dog is great. We can all learn something new all the time no matter what we are doing. No question is stupid if you do not know the answer. The only way to learn is ask questions. Hope to hear more of your thoughts on training and your dogs.
Don't be put off.........it gets crazy sometimes but we are all hear to share and learn.
Don't be put off.........it gets crazy sometimes but we are all hear to share and learn.
It's this kind of sentance that proves an utter lack of knowledge on the subject of behavioural science. Bribing is showing the dog the food, asking them to do something, then giving it to them. Dogs trained this way are usually sloppy (at best) if not shown the food first. Using operant conditioning, once a dog has learnt the command little food should be used, just routine maintenance every now and then. I think of it as paying the dog for his work, and because I am being fair he will work for me without any kind of physical aid, because I don't need to make him avoid something. He does it because it pays. Also, the dog should never be trained with food in the hands! The food should come randomly, from pockets or satchels. Also, rewards should not only be food, toys, walks, acess to water, the outside should all be used so the dog DOESN'T expect some liver when he does something right. I wouldn't have gotten and UDX's if I had trained with food in my hands
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The Voice
Boy, you are right there!!!! I was always very proud of the fact that by the time any puppies I had bred were trained not to put a tooth on human flesh by the time they were 5 weeks old!!!!! And I found a really simple straightforward way to do it. I would simply take the puppy by the skin under its chin between my thumb and first finger, pinch it just a tiny bit, and shake the pup's head while I growled NO BITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to the pup.
My poor stepmother would be getting chomped right and left by the babies, roflmao. She would shake the pup, or get it by the chin skin, but she would ASK the pup not to bite, lololololol. I remember one night I had taken some of the toddler pups next door to Helen's. We were sitting out on the back deck, and little baby Gator Gut went over and was chewing on her shoes. She scooped him up (he was the size of a tennis ball with four legs (anyone remember the picture of Goosie sitting in my hand?)) and held him up to give him a kiss, and he chomped the hades out of her cheek!!!!!! She yelped and shook him and told him not to bite. Then he tried chomping her nose, roflmao.
I could hold him, and he wouldn't dream of trying to put a tooth on me. It was all in the tone of voice. And of course after a while I could just tell the pups "UUHHH HUHH!" And they would stop whatever mischief they were about to do! Voice is everything!
Boy, you are right there!!!! I was always very proud of the fact that by the time any puppies I had bred were trained not to put a tooth on human flesh by the time they were 5 weeks old!!!!! And I found a really simple straightforward way to do it. I would simply take the puppy by the skin under its chin between my thumb and first finger, pinch it just a tiny bit, and shake the pup's head while I growled NO BITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to the pup.
My poor stepmother would be getting chomped right and left by the babies, roflmao. She would shake the pup, or get it by the chin skin, but she would ASK the pup not to bite, lololololol. I remember one night I had taken some of the toddler pups next door to Helen's. We were sitting out on the back deck, and little baby Gator Gut went over and was chewing on her shoes. She scooped him up (he was the size of a tennis ball with four legs (anyone remember the picture of Goosie sitting in my hand?)) and held him up to give him a kiss, and he chomped the hades out of her cheek!!!!!! She yelped and shook him and told him not to bite. Then he tried chomping her nose, roflmao.
I could hold him, and he wouldn't dream of trying to put a tooth on me. It was all in the tone of voice. And of course after a while I could just tell the pups "UUHHH HUHH!" And they would stop whatever mischief they were about to do! Voice is everything!
I really agree with the importance of using your tone of voice as a communication "tool" with your dog. Our facial expressions and body language are also very important, as is eye contact. I have even found humor to be an excellent way to diffuse a tense situation or to put a timid dog at ease!
Strange as it may sound, it has been my work with horses that has given me even more insight in working with dogs, than if I had only worked with dogs alone. Since a lot of the work I do is with scared, abused, and misunderstood dogs, I have to project a lack of fear when I am with them.
I really learned most of this when working with skittish horses. Although, dogs and horses are very different creatures, with very different psychologies...there is something we can GIVE to them of ourselves when we show good judgement and show no fear around scarey objects or situations. When an animal trust's your judgement and feels safe in your presence, their fear and wariness can be greatly diminished and may disappear completely, given a little time and effort.
The best way to learn about different training methods and philosophies, is to get to know someone who uses methods different from your own, as a person. The best way to teach others about your preferred methods, is to share your stories. The best way to get people to share their stories, is to listen.
PS From what I've gathered, this is a forum for both dog owners and trainers. Anyone who is interested, can learn as much as they want to, and then decide to use what works best for them and their dog.
Strange as it may sound, it has been my work with horses that has given me even more insight in working with dogs, than if I had only worked with dogs alone. Since a lot of the work I do is with scared, abused, and misunderstood dogs, I have to project a lack of fear when I am with them.
I really learned most of this when working with skittish horses. Although, dogs and horses are very different creatures, with very different psychologies...there is something we can GIVE to them of ourselves when we show good judgement and show no fear around scarey objects or situations. When an animal trust's your judgement and feels safe in your presence, their fear and wariness can be greatly diminished and may disappear completely, given a little time and effort.
The best way to learn about different training methods and philosophies, is to get to know someone who uses methods different from your own, as a person. The best way to teach others about your preferred methods, is to share your stories. The best way to get people to share their stories, is to listen.
PS From what I've gathered, this is a forum for both dog owners and trainers. Anyone who is interested, can learn as much as they want to, and then decide to use what works best for them and their dog.
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I like your post Angelique. Yes, there are trainers and pet dog owners here as well as a lot of children...lots of young people and I think that's so neat that they're getting a good, early start with understanding dogs and how developing a trusting relationship with them is the most important training tool. That kind of relationship doesn't happen through punishment, but with kind, fair, good confident teaching.