Just wondering Labradoodle vs Purebreeds so to speak?
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still not 100% guarantee of no/low shed and hypoallergenic though. that's what most breeders advertise as a "guarantee". i know health can't be guaranteed in any dog 100% but tests should be done to insure the parents are as healthy as possible and as free of genetic/hereditary defects as possible. at least then the pups may not get the genetic defects from 2 breeds (or at least the possibility is lower) IMO.
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i agree and that is part of the problem. you have to have quite a few doodle to doodle generations before you get consistent litters. right now some of the standards are so out there and all inclusive that consistency isn't really...well...constant. 3 different coat lengths, c'mon...most breeds have one unless it's like the chihuahua (but those are breeds within a breed...long hair, short hair, etc).
like i said, it'll be awhile before everything is constant enough for them to become recognized as a breed and weed out the byb's that are doing it for money and cause it's a fad thing (like the other mixes going on that aren't even trying to be recognized as a breed).
like i said, it'll be awhile before everything is constant enough for them to become recognized as a breed and weed out the byb's that are doing it for money and cause it's a fad thing (like the other mixes going on that aren't even trying to be recognized as a breed).
Hmmmm, you see, what I'm thinking is that you get a breeder who sets out to be a Labradoodle breeder, possibly with the best of intentions. They spend a whack of money getting a decent purebred Lab and a purebred Poodle to start their breeding program. Unless they're independently wealthy, they're not out to lose money in the long run. So they have a litter of so many poodleish doodles, and so many labish doodles and some to "standard" Labradoodles. They have to sell off their "non-standard" pups as what, pet quality Doodleishy dogs? And then turn around and charge high prices for their "standard" Doodles to recoup something of what they've invested? Wonder how many "pets" are going to be generated before you get a purebreed line? This doesn't even count in the BYBs who are cashing in by saying "If it looks like a Doodle, it is a Doodle". Which, technically, they can because it's not a recognized breed.
I don't get it, to tell you the truth. Not even sure if that made any sense, LOL!
I don't get it, to tell you the truth. Not even sure if that made any sense, LOL!
I think the biggest thing being overlooked in this whole thread, is the fact that IF this is going to become a recognised breed then there is going to need to be alot of crosses introduced for a very long time to create a gene pool that will be large enough to sustain a new breed, without the need to bring in new blood 
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definitely agree with solidstaff...still don't promote doodles, but if they are ever going to be a recognized breed alot more needs to be done.
meggie - omg...that was confusing, yet oddly enough i think i understood most of it. lol
doodles born that don't meet standards (or are poodlish or labish) may end up with BYB's looking to cash in on the doodle craze (i did say MAY) and the doodles that meet the standards could either go to byb's, good homes, breeders that want to cash in on the money but also keep with standards....so many things can happen here. i guess it to soon to tell if labradoodles will end up a recognized breed or not. there are to many byb's mucking it up so far, IMO, to get any real progress.
meggie - omg...that was confusing, yet oddly enough i think i understood most of it. lol
doodles born that don't meet standards (or are poodlish or labish) may end up with BYB's looking to cash in on the doodle craze (i did say MAY) and the doodles that meet the standards could either go to byb's, good homes, breeders that want to cash in on the money but also keep with standards....so many things can happen here. i guess it to soon to tell if labradoodles will end up a recognized breed or not. there are to many byb's mucking it up so far, IMO, to get any real progress.
I could read that, but will again put in my $.02 ...... I would go with the Australian if it was 4th generation ( by Oct. it should ) I believe the dedicated breeders are reaching a Standard , from what I've read and seen.STAY AWAY from those stepping on the band wagon and calling a poodle to whatever a " doodle " . There were 5 ads in the Indy paper today ... none less than $500. I'm tempted to call each one, find out the line, testings etc as if I was interested. I used to do this with Golden listings as to the awareness of testings.
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i did that with a goldendoodle ad once. i called and asked all kinds of questions. why she bred them, why so much and why she said they were registerable. needless to say she got mad and hung up on me...i called back as a different person and asked again, but not accusing of anything and she said the parents were registered and some clubs recognized them...no testings had been done and (i think) the pups had been an accident anyways. but she was charging $500 for them!
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This is the only problem I have with the doodle vs. purebred thing. I don't think it's right to say that because they aren't "purebred" their not worth as much money. I understand that the reason so much money is being charged is because that's the animals sole purpose. But to me, any good dog, can cost any amount of money. My girl was an accident, a mutt, a heinz 57 and I would pay just as much for her than any purebred animal in the world.
Let's take away the term 'designer dog" and just use mutt. I don't think mutts are LESS valuable than purebred animals.
Let's take away the term 'designer dog" and just use mutt. I don't think mutts are LESS valuable than purebred animals.
For mutts, there's no such thing. So there's no reason to charge for that, even less to charge more than a purebred. What breeders charge for is novelty. Supply and demand. With such reasoning, dogs are considered a product, not a pet, and that's why I have no respect for those breeders asking even $1000 for a mutt. If they really cared that much for their dogs, they wouldn't use them to make such a quick buck in the process.
Nothing to do with the old mutt vs purebred debate.
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Here Saje I found you a few links to so you can look at the differences of the F1 to some multigenerations........Most of the BYB here in the states are doing the F1's
http://labradoodle-dogs.net/gallery/
This site is good to see the difference in the generations although it doesn't stat what generation the dogs are
http://www.goldendoodles.com/generations.htm
This one here you can see that some of the pictures are at a BYB place because you can see the dogs are not cared for properly (matted hair dirty etc) Don't agree with it at all. There is a chart on the page that explains the generations in a simple format tho that is easy to read and understand
Someone else posted asking if we were paying the 18k for our pup no were not paying that much that is for a breeding dog. Which we don't want and thought it was good that our pup is already gonna be spayed or neutered. Husband did look into what the difference in getting one would be though. You don't even get the breeding puppies until at the very earliest 6months of age. They do DNA profiles of them and make sure they are very sound and capable of breeding. Not sure of all the tests I could ask my husband tho and see if he can remember any of the actually tests they perform on them.
http://labradoodle-dogs.net/gallery/
This site is good to see the difference in the generations although it doesn't stat what generation the dogs are
http://www.goldendoodles.com/generations.htm
This one here you can see that some of the pictures are at a BYB place because you can see the dogs are not cared for properly (matted hair dirty etc) Don't agree with it at all. There is a chart on the page that explains the generations in a simple format tho that is easy to read and understand
Someone else posted asking if we were paying the 18k for our pup no were not paying that much that is for a breeding dog. Which we don't want and thought it was good that our pup is already gonna be spayed or neutered. Husband did look into what the difference in getting one would be though. You don't even get the breeding puppies until at the very earliest 6months of age. They do DNA profiles of them and make sure they are very sound and capable of breeding. Not sure of all the tests I could ask my husband tho and see if he can remember any of the actually tests they perform on them.
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I have a question doodleluvr. Is the first link supposed to show the difference between just the different generations or are these doodles supposed to be meeting with the doodle standards also? There were very few that looked alike. All the hair/fur was different lengths and there were so many different colors and looks and textures. Some looked like Labs some looked like Poodles and others just looked like a mix. It just doesn't look like a good site to promote the labradoodle with so many differences IMO. If it is just to show what different generations look like then I guess it's perfect because it certainly shows the difference between the gens and looks.
i think 5 weeks is to early, they need to be with there litter mates for about 8 weeks, then they learn not to mouth or play rough as there litter mates will yelp and the pup will learn not to do it, being taken away from litter mates to early can cause some dogs to mouth, anyway it doen't mean your a bad owner does it!
most people on here do have mutts, and most work or own a rescue dog. theres no good haveing a go at us on our opinions. i have to say most people here know more than you. most people have looked round rescues. also if people have said on here, oh, im want a lab, people will say back look in a rescue first!
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