Just wondering Labradoodle vs Purebreeds so to speak?

[Dobiegurl]

I understand the topic, its just your second post confused me. No biggie, I'll stick to the main topic.

I have no problem with breeding doodles for useful purposes and taking the proper steps in bredding responsibly. People always use the excuse of "go to the shelter" but guess what? a good % of those dogs are purebred. Its not so much that they are mixed it has to do with just breeding for money when there are millions in the shelter both mixes and purebreds.

 

[blue]

I'm going to ignore the ethics of breeding all together and ask you this question instead: What is it about dogs that your son is allergic to? Contrary to popular belief, it's not just the hair that is the allergen. The dander a pet sheds, the environmental allergens the pet picks up and the saliva of the pet itself are all allergens. A Labradoodle or any other dog is not going to keep your son from having a reaction if it's the dog's saliva he is allergic to. Also, just because a dog seems to be hypoallergenic as a puppy doesn't mean that he will continue to be so when his adult coat grows in.

There is a really good book out there about dog allergies called "Sneeze-free Dog Breeds". It goes into great detail about dog allergies, ways to minimize reactions and also gives examples of those breeds that are usually less likely to cause a reaction. No breed is 100% hypoallergenic, for the reasons I listed above.

I wish you luck in your search!

Way to rain on her Parade.

 

[LabBreeder]

So as long as the breeders you are buying your dog from have done health testing, etc, I don't think there will be as big of problem, I believe they are actually trying to make the Australian Labradoodle into a breed, but people that just have a lab and a poodle and think they will breed them and make some money arent those people.

Our pups parents were breed over in Australia. He/she will have a health guarentee for 2yrs. Microchiped before pick up spayed/neutered....all the first shots. We also will be able to trace his family tree down to 30yrs ago to the actually poodle and lab he/she was first breed from. I erased the part on the quote on the no guarentee of non-sheding. Actually the Australian Labradoodle has three different coats and yes the one that actually shed like a lab has been pretty much breed out. The 2nd coat you get a blow out coat at 9 or so months of age turning from the puppy coat to their adult coat so you get one shed for their life. The 3rd coat which we are getting doesn't shed. I'm sure there are some posts I haven't read yet but your answer was the best answer so far. Thanks

i have to agree with zoom. if it's raining on a parade, i'm sorry, but it is the truth. mixed breeds are not the problem...read other posts and you see what we believe the problems are. i think 90% are in agreement about previous posts/explanations.

it's good to hear you know so much about the doodle. it's not a recognized breed. if it becomes one, fine...but it's not one yet. the coat not shedding as much is good, but unless a hypoallergenic test is done on the puppy you get (i.e. dna, blood, saliva testing) you and your son may still be allergic to it. btw, i have 2 Labs and neither of them shed as much as you are letting on. maybe some do...but i've yet to see one with as much of a shedding issue as you are letting on.
no one bashes the doodle...they bash the BYB's that mix 2 purebreeds, make a mutt and advertise it for big $$$ (usually more than what you could get a purebreed for) and some even try to tell you these mutts/doodles can be registered or that they are hypoallergenic/low or no shed....99% of what is said about doodles is a lie. for your sake and your sons i hope this dog IS hypoallergenic. otherwise your out a lot of money and there will be another homeless doodle (unless you find a home for it).

 

[Zoom]

Way to rain on her Parade.

Just giving more information so she can be prepared for something like that to happen. She can choose to ignore it or not, but I think it's in everyone's best interests to have as much information as possible.

 

[Roxy's CD]

I'm going to ignore the ethics of breeding all together and ask you this question instead: What is it about dogs that your son is allergic to? Contrary to popular belief, it's not just the hair that is the allergen. The dander a pet sheds, the environmental allergens the pet picks up and the saliva of the pet itself are all allergens. A Labradoodle or any other dog is not going to keep your son from having a reaction if it's the dog's saliva he is allergic to. Also, just because a dog seems to be hypoallergenic as a puppy doesn't mean that he will continue to be so when his adult coat grows in.

There is a really good book out there about dog allergies called "Sneeze-free Dog Breeds". It goes into great detail about dog allergies, ways to minimize reactions and also gives examples of those breeds that are usually less likely to cause a reaction. No breed is 100% hypoallergenic, for the reasons I listed above.

I wish you luck in your search!

That's the only qualm I have with "labradoodles". As I was reading your first post, I get the hint that maybe you haven't done too much research, seeing as I haven't even been looking to purchase a labroodle and I am aware that not all doodles are "hypoallergenic".

Secondly, I don't know why you got soo rude around the end of your post stating that people that got puppies at 5 weeks are irresponsible and got them from BYB. I am insulted! I got my pitt and 5weeks and my rott/dobe at 6. Why? Because firstly the pitt was taken away from his mother at 4 weeks, was flea infested had not been dewormed and wasn't going to get his first shots that are supposed to be given at 5 weeks. As for my other girl I got her at 6 weeks because otherwise she would have been put in a bag and drowned with her brother because they unfortunately were unwanted.

I just feel that perhaps you should realize that just because I got a puppy at way to young age, which I am PERFECTLY aware of, does NOT mean that I am irresponsible or stupid, or endorse BYB!!!!!!

 

[fillyone]

What are you going to do if you or your son are allergic to the Labradoodle?
Many are not hypoallergenic.

Haven't seen the answer to this yet

 

[Cassiepeia]

Why people assume that just because it's an 'Australian Labradoodle' it's some how better than american bred doodles is beyond me. Honestly, I it just boggles my mind.
Maybe it's because we're so far away from you guys that there is this mystical, magical quality to them. "Oooo....but the dog is from Australia or Australian lines...so it MUST be good". What a load of crap.


Why am I against designer mutts breeders? Because there are too many dogs in the world as it is and we don't need hundreds of irrepsonsible, ignorant people throwing any two dogs together to bring more pups into the world.

Human beings are selfish creatures. We want what we want and what we want, we get. Regardless of the cost.
There were plenty of fantastic breeds in the world before designer mutts started being exploited and mass produced.
There were plenty of mutts being born because people where too lazy or ignorant to get their dogs fixed, before designer mutts were even thought of.
And sadly there were plenty of both of these dogs in shelters looking for homes, before designer mutts were in need of help froms rescues.

There was no room for them to begin with and consequently they do nothing but add to an already overwhelming problem. THIS is why I have a problem.

Why should the dogs suffer because of our selfish wants?

Cass.

 

[doodleluvr]

I'm going to ignore the ethics of breeding all together and ask you this question instead: What is it about dogs that your son is allergic to? Contrary to popular belief, it's not just the hair that is the allergen. The dander a pet sheds, the environmental allergens the pet picks up and the saliva of the pet itself are all allergens. A Labradoodle or any other dog is not going to keep your son from having a reaction if it's the dog's saliva he is allergic to. Also, just because a dog seems to be hypoallergenic as a puppy doesn't mean that he will continue to be so when his adult coat grows in.

There is a really good book out there about dog allergies called "Sneeze-free Dog Breeds". It goes into great detail about dog allergies, ways to minimize reactions and also gives examples of those breeds that are usually less likely to cause a reaction. No breed is 100% hypoallergenic, for the reasons I listed above.

I wish you luck in your search!

Our son is allergic to the dander and mine arn't bad enough for me not to get a dog regardless I take pills daily for all kinds of allergies not just dogs. So if I don't take my pill and I'm around them I may sneeze a few times no big deal. As I said before there are 3 different coats and the one we are getting is the most desired because of the fact that it is the best for allergies. We've taken him around the breeding dogs and the last litter and he didn't have a problem at all with any of them. So we did look into if he could handle them because we weren't going to be buying something only to give away.

 

[blue]

Cass your an Ausie so I blame you for the problem of the doodles.

 

[doodleluvr]

That's the only qualm I have with "labradoodles". As I was reading your first post, I get the hint that maybe you haven't done too much research, seeing as I haven't even been looking to purchase a labroodle and I am aware that not all doodles are "hypoallergenic".

Secondly, I don't know why you got soo rude around the end of your post stating that people that got puppies at 5 weeks are irresponsible and got them from BYB. I am insulted! I got my pitt and 5weeks and my rott/dobe at 6. Why? Because firstly the pitt was taken away from his mother at 4 weeks, was flea infested had not been dewormed and wasn't going to get his first shots that are supposed to be given at 5 weeks. As for my other girl I got her at 6 weeks because otherwise she would have been put in a bag and drowned with her brother because they unfortunately were unwanted.

I just feel that perhaps you should realize that just because I got a puppy at way to young age, which I am PERFECTLY aware of, does NOT mean that I am irresponsible or stupid, or endorse BYB!!!!!!

"Would you be more upset if someone got an Australian Labradoodle or a Pit bull pup that is only 5weeks old? I've seen tons of people that have gotten puppies from backyard breeders that are way to young to be away from their mothers. Basically what I'm getting at is ya'll should look at the aspect of someone loving a dog not what kind of dog it is, and if they ask you for help you would be adult enough to answer their question no matter if it's a mutt or a purebreed."

Wasn't intended to the owners of the dog

 

[Cassiepeia]

Cass your an Ausie so I blame you for the problem of the doodles.

LOL Thanks. Just what I need.

Cass.

 

[doodleluvr]

Why people assume that just because it's an 'Australian Labradoodle' it's some how better than american bred doodles is beyond me. Honestly, I it just boggles my mind.
Maybe it's because we're so far away from you guys that there is this mystical, magical quality to them. "Oooo....but the dog is from Australia or Australian lines...so it MUST be good". What a load of crap.

Your views and smarta$$ comments are why I wrote this

 

[Cassiepeia]

I'm not being a smartarse. I'm being honest. It's ridiculous to think that just because Labradoodles were first bred here, that there must be a huge difference between the breeders here and the breeders there. There isn't.

"Would you be more upset if someone got an Australian Labradoodle or a Pit bull pup that is only 5weeks old? I've seen tons of people that have gotten puppies from backyard breeders that are way to young to be away from their mothers. Basically what I'm getting at is ya'll should look at the aspect of someone loving a dog not what kind of dog it is, and if they ask you for help you would be adult enough to answer their question no matter if it's a mutt or a purebreed."

Bottom line is that it doesn't matter how much someone loves a dog. If you close your eyes to the bigger problem you're doing all dogs a disservice. Which, once again, amounts to nothing but selfishness.

I'll give you the fact that there is a group of people down here that say they're trying to get the Aust. Labradoodle recognised, but I don't hold high hopes for it or for them being reputable. Which is a shame, because it's the dogs who end up suffering.

Cass.

 

[doodleluvr]

I really feel like I'm arguing with a bunch of five year olds. There were very few people that were curtious and actually answered like they were adults. So I thank the few of you that were polite and gave honest answers without being rude.

 

[Cassiepeia]

As far as I'm aware everyone has been mature and polite. We're just passionate. I'm sorry you didn't get the answers you wanted.

Cass.

 

[doodleluvr]

I'm not being a smartarse. I'm being honest. It's ridiculous to think that just because Labradoodles were first bred here, that there must be a huge difference between the breeders here and the breeders there. There isn't.



Bottom line is that it doesn't matter how much someone loves a dog. If you close your eyes to the bigger problem you're doing all dogs a disservice.

Cass.

Actually here link to the standards:
http://www.laa.org.au/breed_standard.htm

Link to what makes an Australian Labradoodle
http://www.laa.org.au/about_doodles_parentbreeds.htm

American Doodle: Lab and Poodle

So go read the difference yourself

My husband and I are all for shelters and we would gladly take a dog from one if we could. We are not going to get a neglected dog for it to come home and us have to take it back due to the allergies.

 

[jess2416]

"Would you be more upset if someone got an Australian Labradoodle or a Pit bull pup that is only 5weeks old? I've seen tons of people that have gotten puppies from backyard breeders that are way to young to be away from their mothers. Basically what I'm getting at is ya'll should look at the aspect of someone loving a dog not what kind of dog it is, and if they ask you for help you would be adult enough to answer their question no matter if it's a mutt or a purebreed."

I would be upset for both to be only 5 weeks old, but having a puppy myself that didnt have a mother and was found at around 5 weeks old..she does have some issues because of it...although I didnt get her till she was 9 weeks old...I am so sick and tired of hearing that doodles are better and this and that and so on and so forth, than regular mutts when clearly they are not..they just have a fancy name...I mean come on...you wanna hear my fancy name for my Chloe...?? Its German Shepador Retriever...Hmmm maybe I'll start something and sell them for 2000-5000 dollars a piece ... Oh thats right I forgot I spayed her which is the responsible thing to do for all mixes and dogs that are not in conformation and showing...

*Just my 2 cents* and of course IN MY OPINION

 

[Cassiepeia]

I've been to that site many times. Don't believe everything you read.

Cass.

 

[LabBreeder]

my question is how often do "labradoodles" (australian or american) actually meet these "standards"? if the standards are as strict as they seemed, wouldn't you think more doodles would be meeting those standards and that they would be closer to being recognized as a "breed"?
just wondering...cause i've seen loads of doodle sites and very rarely have i seen 1. a conformed litter (all meeting standards) and 2. the doodles all vary site by site so much that it doesn't look like a standard is even set up.

also, could you educate us as to why a doodle costs so much? are necessary health checks, hypoallergenic tests (on parents and pups) being done that make them cost so much? i've seen how much OFA and CERF and CB tests are and they don't add up to $1000 or more, most are pretty cheap to get done (i did say most). why do some breeders say they are a breed when they aren't? or say that they can be registered with a kennel club (and i don't mean the hybrid clubs or CKC *which is only a paper saying your dog is a "non purebred dog"*)? why do they advertise hypoallergenic or low shed when (like zoom said earlier) that can change as they get older or they haven't been tested in the first place?
i understand why a doodle was first done...as a guidance dog for people with allergies...but don't you think it's gotten a little out of hand? all these "designer dogs" that people are just mixing to make money because of a fad...can you honestly tell me that a "puggle" is gonna be a guide dog or is hypoallergenic...or a doberdoodle, schnoodle, goldendoodle, jack-chi, or any of the other smaller mix breed designer dogs that are being "bred"? just wondering if it's ever gonna stop or if people are gonna keep mixing breeds til there is just a huge influx of dogs that are riddled with health problems/temperement issues cause of all the mixing of breeds for money....all just MO. legitimate questions, not intended for arguing debate...just answers.

 

[doodleluvr]

I've been to that site many times. Don't believe everything you read.

Cass.

LOL believe me I don't. I'd believe my breeder over anything someone in a shelter told me though. I've done my research I actually checked out my breeder and made sure her dogs were actually from Tegan Park and Rutland Manor raised dogs. My point is this.......if somone can't get a mutt like in our case and choose to get a designer breed why would it matter to you. People are gonna breed them regardless of what you may think. IMO everytime you see the word Labradoodle the majority of you on here assume it's from a BYB which isn't always the case. Just like most people assume a Pit is a dangerous dog.