Just wondering Labradoodle vs Purebreeds so to speak?
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There are MANY poodle crosses in shelters, why not adopt one of them?
It most definately DOES matter to us when someone purchases a designer breed. I see many dogs in the shelter and many dogs are put down around here and all over the world because someone went to a BYB or bought a designer dog.
We know they are being bred and people will continue breeding them. But think of it like this.
There will always be people doing drugs. However, the more people that are educated the less you will get doing it. Things change; slowly, but they do change. PLEASE, go visit some local shelters and look for a non-allergenic dog there.
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It most definately DOES matter to us when someone purchases a designer breed. I see many dogs in the shelter and many dogs are put down around here and all over the world because someone went to a BYB or bought a designer dog.
We know they are being bred and people will continue breeding them. But think of it like this.
There will always be people doing drugs. However, the more people that are educated the less you will get doing it. Things change; slowly, but they do change. PLEASE, go visit some local shelters and look for a non-allergenic dog there.
~Tucker
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jenn- i realize this. it all goes back to the fact that all breeds started out as a mix between two or more breeds waaaay back in the day. i guess what i'm asking is how can doodles be identified as a "breed" when they aren't meeting the set standards in litters and aren't recognized by nationally known and recognized kennel clubs. aren't doodle breeders (legit ones) trying to get them passed and accepted as a breed so they WILL be recognized? if so, aren't they supposed to meet their own set standards to do it?
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LabBreeder said:
my question is how often do "labradoodles" (australian or american) actually meet these "standards"? if the standards are as strict as they seemed, wouldn't you think more doodles would be meeting those standards and that they would be closer to being recognized as a "breed"?
just wondering...cause i've seen loads of doodle sites and very rarely have i seen 1. a conformed litter (all meeting standards) and 2. the doodles all vary site by site so much that it doesn't look like a standard is even set up.
also, could you educate us as to why a doodle costs so much? are necessary health checks, hypoallergenic tests (on parents and pups) being done that make them cost so much? i've seen how much OFA and CERF and CB tests are and they don't add up to $1000 or more, most are pretty cheap to get done (i did say most). why do some breeders say they are a breed when they aren't? or say that they can be registered with a kennel club (and i don't mean the hybrid clubs or CKC *which is only a paper saying your dog is a "non purebred dog"*)? why do they advertise hypoallergenic or low shed when (like zoom said earlier) that can change as they get older or they haven't been tested in the first place?
i understand why a doodle was first done...as a guidance dog for people with allergies...but don't you think it's gotten a little out of hand? all these "designer dogs" that people are just mixing to make money because of a fad...can you honestly tell me that a "puggle" is gonna be a guide dog or is hypoallergenic...or a doberdoodle, schnoodle, goldendoodle, jack-chi, or any of the other smaller mix breed designer dogs that are being "bred"? just wondering if it's ever gonna stop or if people are gonna keep mixing breeds til there is just a huge influx of dogs that are riddled with health problems/temperement issues cause of all the mixing of breeds for money....all just MO.
legitimate questions, not intended for arguing debate...just answers.
just wondering...cause i've seen loads of doodle sites and very rarely have i seen 1. a conformed litter (all meeting standards) and 2. the doodles all vary site by site so much that it doesn't look like a standard is even set up.
also, could you educate us as to why a doodle costs so much? are necessary health checks, hypoallergenic tests (on parents and pups) being done that make them cost so much? i've seen how much OFA and CERF and CB tests are and they don't add up to $1000 or more, most are pretty cheap to get done (i did say most). why do some breeders say they are a breed when they aren't? or say that they can be registered with a kennel club (and i don't mean the hybrid clubs or CKC *which is only a paper saying your dog is a "non purebred dog"*)? why do they advertise hypoallergenic or low shed when (like zoom said earlier) that can change as they get older or they haven't been tested in the first place?
i understand why a doodle was first done...as a guidance dog for people with allergies...but don't you think it's gotten a little out of hand? all these "designer dogs" that people are just mixing to make money because of a fad...can you honestly tell me that a "puggle" is gonna be a guide dog or is hypoallergenic...or a doberdoodle, schnoodle, goldendoodle, jack-chi, or any of the other smaller mix breed designer dogs that are being "bred"? just wondering if it's ever gonna stop or if people are gonna keep mixing breeds til there is just a huge influx of dogs that are riddled with health problems/temperement issues cause of all the mixing of breeds for money....all just MO.
legitimate questions, not intended for arguing debate...just answers.
As for costing so much for a true Austalian Labradoodle.......You get a 2yr Health Guarentee, microchiped, registration papers to LAA, Vet certification of early spay or Neuter, Copies of the parents DNA profiles, BTW to get an Australian Multi generation breeding dog (non spayed or neutered) will run you 18k to 30k Don't freak out yet lol.........they do this to keep the Australian doodles pure and there is intense testing done on the breeder before they are realised as being able to Breed. So all in all the majority of the cost is because of how much it costs someone to follow the standards of the LAA. Do I agree with the BYB not at all. Do I believe in the Australian Labradoodle becoming AKC recognized someday for sure. I can't see them not being due to the fact how much Tegan Park and Rutland Manor are putting into them.
LMAO. I looove going in circles. >;(
First off, you ARE getting a mutt, missy.
Second off, it matters to some of us because we foster & volunteer for RESCUES that are over-flowing with doodle & other mix puppies. Most of the members here firmly and openly believe that anyone not breeding purebred, tested, shown, worked, healthy dogs is a BYB and not approved of in any way. I feel that people who consistently reply to "Doodle" threads expressing their opinions are not in the wrong, rather you and others who say we're close-minded and hate all mutts are in the wrong completely. You start a post antagonizing people who disagree with designer dogs because they simply CARE ABOUT and LOVE dogs! I adore dogs, I want to work with dogs for the rest of my life, so it's not a big surprise that I am deeply hurt and personally offended by anyone who exploits these innocent animals for breeding & who lie about puppies & who have no regard for mixed breed dogs dying in shelters (which I feel that any intentional mutt breeders do NOT!).
You're asking why WE care if you want to buy a Doodle... well, you're topic is entitled "Labradoodle vs Purebreed". I listed that I feel that breeds like Portugese Water Dogs & Irish Water Spaniels are exceptional breeds who are strikingly similar in appearance, form, & function to "Labradoodles"... got no reply, too! I feel that it is overall incredibly selfish for people to keep breeding and breeding and "experimenting" with mixed breeds, which is exactly what a Doodle is, while we already have 100's of established breeds and millions of dogs dying EVERY YEAR in our country.
I apologize for having an opinion, and that you aren't hearing what you want to hear. This is my opinion about the breeders, it has nothing to do with the dogs, as I love all dogs and I cannot express the sadness I feel for dogs who are exploited for breeding & selling.
First off, you ARE getting a mutt, missy.
Second off, it matters to some of us because we foster & volunteer for RESCUES that are over-flowing with doodle & other mix puppies. Most of the members here firmly and openly believe that anyone not breeding purebred, tested, shown, worked, healthy dogs is a BYB and not approved of in any way. I feel that people who consistently reply to "Doodle" threads expressing their opinions are not in the wrong, rather you and others who say we're close-minded and hate all mutts are in the wrong completely. You start a post antagonizing people who disagree with designer dogs because they simply CARE ABOUT and LOVE dogs! I adore dogs, I want to work with dogs for the rest of my life, so it's not a big surprise that I am deeply hurt and personally offended by anyone who exploits these innocent animals for breeding & who lie about puppies & who have no regard for mixed breed dogs dying in shelters (which I feel that any intentional mutt breeders do NOT!).
You're asking why WE care if you want to buy a Doodle... well, you're topic is entitled "Labradoodle vs Purebreed". I listed that I feel that breeds like Portugese Water Dogs & Irish Water Spaniels are exceptional breeds who are strikingly similar in appearance, form, & function to "Labradoodles"... got no reply, too! I feel that it is overall incredibly selfish for people to keep breeding and breeding and "experimenting" with mixed breeds, which is exactly what a Doodle is, while we already have 100's of established breeds and millions of dogs dying EVERY YEAR in our country.
I apologize for having an opinion, and that you aren't hearing what you want to hear. This is my opinion about the breeders, it has nothing to do with the dogs, as I love all dogs and I cannot express the sadness I feel for dogs who are exploited for breeding & selling.
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i've been to rutland manors site...and since they did start the australian "labradoodle" for good reasons i tend to believe them more than any other site i've come across (american, canadian, australian or otherwise). you said the parents were tested, but are the pups tested as well? to see if they are really hypoallergenic?
also, haven't the aussie labradoodles been being mixed for 20 or 30 years now? shouldn't the pups all come out looking alike as long as they are at least 3rd gen? i think i saw 1 litter that had all the puppies looking exactly the same...THAT was a good, set standard litter. those litters i agree more with (even though it's still a mixed breed) because they meet the standards that were made so these mixes could eventually become a breed.
is there any chance that if (or when) this particular mix (labradoodle) is allowed to become a breed that they could change the "registered breed name" to something different? i mean, labradoodle kinda sounds degrading to Labradors, Poodles and the pups. they need their own unique name to compliment (what could be) a unique breed. i would prefer this doodle not become a breed until the litters meet the standards at least 90% of the time, the pups have a 75% chance of actually being hypoallergenic (and are all tested to see if they are) and the coat is one uniform/low shed look (to minimize dander and allergic reactions). it just seems like it would be better if they had something more substantial to offer, especially with them costing so much.
as of right now, i still don't approve of doodles (and all of those other "designer dogs" that are being made) because 99% of these mixes have no purpose but for someone to try to make quick money off a fad. i would rather see breeding done by professionals, with purebreeds (that meet/or exceed breed standards, have health certs done, and have good lines, and are striving to improve the breed, etc) than BYB's and money grubbers that are just making more homeless mixed breed dogs. i'm sure even you agree with that. a true australian labradoodle (regardless of the fact that it's mixing two breeds) was started to help people with allergies. if the above "standards" were met with these doodles, i'm sure people wouldn't have as much of a problem with them. right now, they are just mixed breeds being sold for lots of money (by most people). BYB's are hindering the possibility of this doodle ever becoming a recognized breed.
also, haven't the aussie labradoodles been being mixed for 20 or 30 years now? shouldn't the pups all come out looking alike as long as they are at least 3rd gen? i think i saw 1 litter that had all the puppies looking exactly the same...THAT was a good, set standard litter. those litters i agree more with (even though it's still a mixed breed) because they meet the standards that were made so these mixes could eventually become a breed.
is there any chance that if (or when) this particular mix (labradoodle) is allowed to become a breed that they could change the "registered breed name" to something different? i mean, labradoodle kinda sounds degrading to Labradors, Poodles and the pups. they need their own unique name to compliment (what could be) a unique breed. i would prefer this doodle not become a breed until the litters meet the standards at least 90% of the time, the pups have a 75% chance of actually being hypoallergenic (and are all tested to see if they are) and the coat is one uniform/low shed look (to minimize dander and allergic reactions). it just seems like it would be better if they had something more substantial to offer, especially with them costing so much.
as of right now, i still don't approve of doodles (and all of those other "designer dogs" that are being made) because 99% of these mixes have no purpose but for someone to try to make quick money off a fad. i would rather see breeding done by professionals, with purebreeds (that meet/or exceed breed standards, have health certs done, and have good lines, and are striving to improve the breed, etc) than BYB's and money grubbers that are just making more homeless mixed breed dogs. i'm sure even you agree with that.
a true australian labradoodle (regardless of the fact that it's mixing two breeds) was started to help people with allergies. if the above "standards" were met with these doodles, i'm sure people wouldn't have as much of a problem with them. right now, they are just mixed breeds being sold for lots of money (by most people). BYB's are hindering the possibility of this doodle ever becoming a recognized breed.- Joined
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LMAO someone can come on this forum and say I just got a German Shepered and ya'll are oh how cute blah blah blah someone comes on here and says they got a doodle and ya'll freak out on them that is what I don't get your freaking out over one dog you don't tell them why didn't you go to the shelter and save this or that dog but ya'll freak at the doodle word that is what I don't get. People spend money to get a pure breed and that's fine with ya'll and another person pays money for a cross breed and there so wrong because they didn't save a dog from a shelter. You show me a posting where you can get a MULTI GENERATION Australian Labradoodle from a shelter it's just a mutt right?
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doodleluvr - i think the point they are trying to make is that regardless of it being multi generation or single generation...it's still considered a mutt. all a labradoodle is, at this point in time, is a cross between a Labrador and a Poodle. it's not recognized as a breed, standards aren't always met with consistency in litters and most pups are not hypoallergenic (and this was the whole purpose for the original Lab/Poodle crossing).
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98% hypoallergenic from Australian Labradoodles, from the BYB here in America ya I'm sure there is a 50% chance that they won't be due to taking after either the lab or poodle, I'm not arguing over if it's a breed I know it's a mix with several different types of dog not just lab and poodle I'm arguing over why freak out when the "doodle" word gets mentioned. Honestly my biggest problem with the different opions were when you all freaked out on a kid that was so excited that her dad got her a dog and ooops it was a doodle so shame on her. Doodle VS. Purebreed ???? is why don't you tell the people who get purebreeds why didn't u go save a dog at the shelter like you do when Doodle is mentioned
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i know i've asked why they didn't go to a shelter...don't know if i've told anyone they should have gone though
i won't argue about whether or not an aussie is 99% hypoallergenic or not...it all depends on which sites you go to and who you ask about it. i've seen purebred owners get jumped over "wanting to breed" or "accidental pregnancies" so it's not just doodle buyers that get jumped. i think the majority of the people here want others to be aware of the overpopulation situation with dogs (pure and mix) and not contribute to that. breeding (especially mixes) is contributing to the amount of homeless dogs or dogs that will end up euthanised because they won't find homes in time. breeders or BYB's that don't know, or don't care, about what they are doing and are breeding for money are contributing to the pet overpopulation. if these designer dogs hadn't been started years ago...yes, there'd still be mixes in the shelters, but i don't think there would be near as many. (i know purebreeds are in shelters too, so let's not go there) the point is you can get the same kind of dog from a shelter for alot less and not be supporting byb's or designer dog breeders and save a shelter dogs life. i guess the best way is to let others explain their situation on the matter...it's not my business to try and justify everyone elses opinions on this......... so, if you have a differing opinion, please try to explain it.
doodleluvr - i hope you get what i was saying and don't think i was jumping you. i think i just asked questions and wanted answers from your side of all of this and tried explaining a few things as well. lately i've been coming off very...ummm..strong on some threads and i'm trying not to do that now.
i won't argue about whether or not an aussie is 99% hypoallergenic or not...it all depends on which sites you go to and who you ask about it. i've seen purebred owners get jumped over "wanting to breed" or "accidental pregnancies" so it's not just doodle buyers that get jumped. i think the majority of the people here want others to be aware of the overpopulation situation with dogs (pure and mix) and not contribute to that. breeding (especially mixes) is contributing to the amount of homeless dogs or dogs that will end up euthanised because they won't find homes in time. breeders or BYB's that don't know, or don't care, about what they are doing and are breeding for money are contributing to the pet overpopulation. if these designer dogs hadn't been started years ago...yes, there'd still be mixes in the shelters, but i don't think there would be near as many. (i know purebreeds are in shelters too, so let's not go there) the point is you can get the same kind of dog from a shelter for alot less and not be supporting byb's or designer dog breeders and save a shelter dogs life. i guess the best way is to let others explain their situation on the matter...it's not my business to try and justify everyone elses opinions on this.........
so, if you have a differing opinion, please try to explain it. doodleluvr - i hope you get what i was saying and don't think i was jumping you. i think i just asked questions and wanted answers from your side of all of this and tried explaining a few things as well. lately i've been coming off very...ummm..strong on some threads and i'm trying not to do that now.
Whoa there!
I can give you my dogs 10 generation pedigree dating back to the 1940's Probably more if I try.
Most of those things you mention are a given. Question...Does the parents of this pup have thier OFA , Cerf, PRA test. What is it that they are breeding for if it isnt for a hypogenic dog? What is a Labradoodle suppose to do? Who is deciding this? Do you ever see labradoodle breeders uniting across the world to hold events and keep track of performances?
What makes these particular dogs a good representative to this breed? What makes these dogs so outstanding that they should be bred?
Now I might be impressed if these so called new dog breed breeders actually did some scientific work to put together the perfect dog. Using more than 2 types of dogs to create a perfect dog with certain goals in mind for it.
That I could see. That is how the breeds we have come to love now were made. Now we have more scientific advances it would make it that much better. If someone were dedicated to this they would not charge an outragous price for a pup untill the line is completely clean and consistant.
These doodle breeders granted some do make a effort for health and do give guarantees, They didnt do the research not like it should have been looking at todays advances in science. Sorry Just doesnt cut it for me.
However you have already closed your mind to what could be true. I will not try to convince you. Just trying to give you information that makes sense.
Hope you are happy with your pup and I wish you and yours the best.
I can give you my dogs 10 generation pedigree dating back to the 1940's Probably more if I try.
Most of those things you mention are a given. Question...Does the parents of this pup have thier OFA , Cerf, PRA test. What is it that they are breeding for if it isnt for a hypogenic dog? What is a Labradoodle suppose to do? Who is deciding this? Do you ever see labradoodle breeders uniting across the world to hold events and keep track of performances?
What makes these particular dogs a good representative to this breed? What makes these dogs so outstanding that they should be bred?
Now I might be impressed if these so called new dog breed breeders actually did some scientific work to put together the perfect dog. Using more than 2 types of dogs to create a perfect dog with certain goals in mind for it.
That I could see. That is how the breeds we have come to love now were made. Now we have more scientific advances it would make it that much better. If someone were dedicated to this they would not charge an outragous price for a pup untill the line is completely clean and consistant.
These doodle breeders granted some do make a effort for health and do give guarantees, They didnt do the research not like it should have been looking at todays advances in science. Sorry Just doesnt cut it for me.
However you have already closed your mind to what could be true. I will not try to convince you. Just trying to give you information that makes sense.
Hope you are happy with your pup and I wish you and yours the best.
Um... I think my point was missed, by like a mile. =/
I disagree with anyone who supports BYB's, intentional mixed breeding, puppy mills, all of that. The reason that people immediately disagree with "Doodles" is because we feel that there is not a reputable Doodle breeder on earth, these dogs do not breed consistently, and in most cases a mixed puppy facing death at a shelter would be just as great for the purpose of being a pet. If some one posted saying "Guess what? I'm buying a (purebred) German Shepherd from a pet store tomorrow!" I would disagree with that decision just as much as if the dog were a Doodle.
I disagree with anyone who supports BYB's, intentional mixed breeding, puppy mills, all of that. The reason that people immediately disagree with "Doodles" is because we feel that there is not a reputable Doodle breeder on earth, these dogs do not breed consistently, and in most cases a mixed puppy facing death at a shelter would be just as great for the purpose of being a pet. If some one posted saying "Guess what? I'm buying a (purebred) German Shepherd from a pet store tomorrow!" I would disagree with that decision just as much as if the dog were a Doodle.
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Woah, SOMEONE is making a LOT of money off of this "DESIGNER MUTT" breed. Sheesh. That right there should tell anyone with a modicum of intelligence that this is merely another scam to bring in a ton of money to someone who knows how to play on the (dare I say it?) foolish ignorance of people.
Bottom line .. the "doodles" are merely a way to make money. Someone thought it up, saw the $$$ flashing before them and then made up excuses to try to make the fad credible. It's not a breed, it's a mix of breeds. Yes, most breeds were developed from a mix of breeds at some point. But way back when, most breeds were developed specifically for a working purpose. They built on certain physical working traits and bred for those traits. Nowadays, there are SO many breeds and SO MANY dogs in shelters that there is only ONE excuse to make a "new" breed - and that's to make money. Plain and simple.
Your Australian breeders are not any more important than "doodle" breeders in any other country. They worship the almighty buck and depend on those gullible enough to fall for their slick words and slick websites. Sure, they may make it into an established breed in Australia .. maybe we're a bit more discriminating here in the U.S. and hold breeds to higher standards than they do over there. I am perfectly fine with the thought that no more breeds are "designed" .. we don't NEED more breeds, people are doing that to feed their own egos and their own pockets.
By the way, doodleluvr .. you ask for an "adult orientated" response but if you went back and read your OWN posts, you might notice that you sound like a child much of the time. Every time someone disagrees with you, you suggest they are not adult. That's a childish reaction. You have been given some excellent responses and asked some direct questions which you don't seem to want to answer. You're promoting a mixed breed of dog that you evidently are willing to spend a lot of money on .. to me, that's complete foolishness. But it's your money .. *LOL*
You can't expect to come on here with your attitude and have people kissing up to you. Obviously you're going to do what you're going to do, but sheesh .. the fact is you're giving money to someone who is willingly producing mixed breed dogs, when there are thousands of mixed breed dogs dying every day in shelters.
Where's the adult logic in that??
Melanie and the gang in Alaska
Bottom line .. the "doodles" are merely a way to make money. Someone thought it up, saw the $$$ flashing before them and then made up excuses to try to make the fad credible. It's not a breed, it's a mix of breeds. Yes, most breeds were developed from a mix of breeds at some point. But way back when, most breeds were developed specifically for a working purpose. They built on certain physical working traits and bred for those traits. Nowadays, there are SO many breeds and SO MANY dogs in shelters that there is only ONE excuse to make a "new" breed - and that's to make money. Plain and simple.
Your Australian breeders are not any more important than "doodle" breeders in any other country. They worship the almighty buck and depend on those gullible enough to fall for their slick words and slick websites. Sure, they may make it into an established breed in Australia .. maybe we're a bit more discriminating here in the U.S. and hold breeds to higher standards than they do over there. I am perfectly fine with the thought that no more breeds are "designed" .. we don't NEED more breeds, people are doing that to feed their own egos and their own pockets.
By the way, doodleluvr .. you ask for an "adult orientated" response but if you went back and read your OWN posts, you might notice that you sound like a child much of the time. Every time someone disagrees with you, you suggest they are not adult. That's a childish reaction. You have been given some excellent responses and asked some direct questions which you don't seem to want to answer. You're promoting a mixed breed of dog that you evidently are willing to spend a lot of money on .. to me, that's complete foolishness. But it's your money .. *LOL*
You can't expect to come on here with your attitude and have people kissing up to you. Obviously you're going to do what you're going to do, but sheesh .. the fact is you're giving money to someone who is willingly producing mixed breed dogs, when there are thousands of mixed breed dogs dying every day in shelters.
Where's the adult logic in that??
Melanie and the gang in Alaska
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It doesn't matter how people try to justify the Doodle it IS and will remain an mutt until breeders stat to breed dogs that conform to a standard that is set and the breed actually gets recognised. There are enough breeds of dog from all around the world to be able to find one that fits your lifestyle and needs without the need to give your money to someone who 9 times out of 10 has no breeding ethics at all, does not health test..etc.. I can only speak from what i have learned over the net and talking to people from various countries, but Americans seem to be more fixated with breeding dogs that are titled rather than looking at the positve virtues of the individual dog (I dont mean to generalise all Americans, and as i said i can only go by what i know so far) If you plan to breed ANY dogs then you should pick 2 dogs that compliment eachothers faults, are of sound temperment, fit the "type" you are looking to produce NOT on how many titles they have won. Yes it's nice to be able to look at a pedigree and see CH's in there but some of the best dogs are sat at home in front of the fire and will never be shown (For various reasons) Anyway i'm rambling now lol.
Some "designer" breeds over here in the UK.
Puggle= Pug x Beagle
Puggychin= Pug x Japanese Chin
French Boston= French Bulldog x Boston Terrier
SpanStaff= Spaniel x Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Bich-Poo = Bichon x Poodle
Boxerdoodle = Boxer x Poodle
Cairnoodle = Cairn Terrier x Poodle
Cavapoo = Cavalier King Charles Spaniel x Poodle
Chi-Poo = Chihuahua x Poodle
Cockapoo = Cocker Spaniel x Poodle
Doodleman Pinscher = Doberman x Standard Poodle
English Boodle = English Bulldog x Poodle
Eskapoo = American Eskimo Dog x Poodle
Goldendoodle = Golden Retriever x Poodle
Labradoodle = Labrador Retriever x Poodle
Lhasapoo = Lhasa Apso x Poodle
Malti-Poo = Maltesex Poodle
Papoo = Papillion x Poodle
Pekepoo = Pekingese x Poodle
Pomapoo = Pomeranian x Poodle
Pugapoo = Pug x Poodle
Saint Berdoodle = Saint Bernard x Poodle
Schnoodle = Schnauzer x Poodle
Scoodle = Scottish Terrier x Poodle
Shepadoodle = German Shepherd x Standard Poodle
Shih-Poo = Shih-Tzu x Poodle
Weimardoodle = Weimaraner x Poodle
Westiepoo = West Highland White Terrier x Poodle
Whoodles = Soft Coated Wheaton Terrier x Poodle
Yorkipoo = Yorkie x Poodle
Now tell me that this isn't a serious problem, and people just "bash" crossbreeds ! The sooner people wake up and realsie that these are nothing other than peoples way of making big money the better.
I own a Staffordshire Bull Terrier and i am in the process of trying to buy myself a Shitzu. I plan on crossing them and making my own designer breed called a Bullshitz which will sum up the whole "Designer" breed situation
It doesn't matter how people try to justify the Doodle it IS and will remain an mutt until breeders stat to breed dogs that conform to a standard that is set and the breed actually gets recognised. There are enough breeds of dog from all around the world to be able to find one that fits your lifestyle and needs without the need to give your money to someone who 9 times out of 10 has no breeding ethics at all, does not health test..etc.. I can only speak from what i have learned over the net and talking to people from various countries, but Americans seem to be more fixated with breeding dogs that are titled rather than looking at the positve virtues of the individual dog (I dont mean to generalise all Americans, and as i said i can only go by what i know so far) If you plan to breed ANY dogs then you should pick 2 dogs that compliment eachothers faults, are of sound temperment, fit the "type" you are looking to produce NOT on how many titles they have won. Yes it's nice to be able to look at a pedigree and see CH's in there but some of the best dogs are sat at home in front of the fire and will never be shown (For various reasons) Anyway i'm rambling now lol.
Some "designer" breeds over here in the UK.
Puggle= Pug x Beagle
Puggychin= Pug x Japanese Chin
French Boston= French Bulldog x Boston Terrier
SpanStaff= Spaniel x Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Bich-Poo = Bichon x Poodle
Boxerdoodle = Boxer x Poodle
Cairnoodle = Cairn Terrier x Poodle
Cavapoo = Cavalier King Charles Spaniel x Poodle
Chi-Poo = Chihuahua x Poodle
Cockapoo = Cocker Spaniel x Poodle
Doodleman Pinscher = Doberman x Standard Poodle
English Boodle = English Bulldog x Poodle
Eskapoo = American Eskimo Dog x Poodle
Goldendoodle = Golden Retriever x Poodle
Labradoodle = Labrador Retriever x Poodle
Lhasapoo = Lhasa Apso x Poodle
Malti-Poo = Maltesex Poodle
Papoo = Papillion x Poodle
Pekepoo = Pekingese x Poodle
Pomapoo = Pomeranian x Poodle
Pugapoo = Pug x Poodle
Saint Berdoodle = Saint Bernard x Poodle
Schnoodle = Schnauzer x Poodle
Scoodle = Scottish Terrier x Poodle
Shepadoodle = German Shepherd x Standard Poodle
Shih-Poo = Shih-Tzu x Poodle
Weimardoodle = Weimaraner x Poodle
Westiepoo = West Highland White Terrier x Poodle
Whoodles = Soft Coated Wheaton Terrier x Poodle
Yorkipoo = Yorkie x Poodle
Now tell me that this isn't a serious problem, and people just "bash" crossbreeds ! The sooner people wake up and realsie that these are nothing other than peoples way of making big money the better.
I own a Staffordshire Bull Terrier and i am in the process of trying to buy myself a Shitzu. I plan on crossing them and making my own designer breed called a Bullshitz which will sum up the whole "Designer" breed situation
It seems like the OP is wondering why people don't have the same problem when people post that they've just bought a purebred puppy. The vast majority of purebred puppies are not bred by reputable breeders. Most are bred entirely as a money making proposition. I guess, if the question is going to come up at all, why don't posters ask people who have just purchased a purebred pup why they didn't try to find one at the shelter. There are many, many purebred dogs in the shelter. Our shelter will let you put your name down for a certain breed and get a call when that breed comes in. They will not, however, give you a call when a certain size dog comes in. That was one the important criteria for me. I needed a certain size. I did end up getting my dog from a shelter, but it took many months of searching to find the one that fit my needs. Anyway, in reading this thread, it seemed to me that the OP was wondering why people who purchase any dog, pure or mix, are scrutinized since the majority of purchases are from people trying to make money on their puppies.
to doodleluver.
I am sensing this is going to be a long post so I just want to say
congrats on your puppy. Allso wow some of these threads rally move ...yesterday there were only three pages!
I believe that I can answer your question.
the question being. Why people get mad b/c of doodles and other mixes and not byb pure breds....
Well I love mutts I am the new mommy of a litter of mutts (not planned)
do the unique mix I could have sold for alot of money and be like Yo I have black golden retrievers... a rare type of retriever... a color unseen b4. But I know in my heart I cannot do that..... The true diffrence between your doodle puppy and say summmerriots German shepherd is this. Sure at one time a german shepherd could have been a mutt. But that mutt has been bred with the same type mutt for generations making its type a pure strain. I can breed a german shepherd with a german shepherd and get german shepherds. If I take my puppies (black Lab/golden retriever) and breed them or a doodle I can have several outcomes. with my puppies I can have offspring that looks like a short hair lab or have the retriever hair. or in your case your doodles puppies could have poodle or lab hair. People here get upset b/c ppl have worked so hard to get the poodle or lab to be what it is today. sure they hate bybs that breed purebreds for money. But in their own way they are still working that perfect strain (unless they are not honest). So ppl here dont get mad at the pure breds. But mutts are mutts b/c they reproduce mutts. Mutts carry genes of two or more breeds and can pass what ever on. example the mom of my puppies is a yellow lab/golden retriever.. so half her puppies had Lab hair half had the retriever hair.(Dad was Black Lab/golden retriever)
Now if say some one worked the doodle strain for generations and made a new breed thats offspring was allways doodle then it could be reconized as a new breed. But todays doodle breeders are normally a one generation of Lab/poodle.
(maybe someone should do that work the doodles till its a pure strain....then ppl cannot sell those mutts for big bucks cuz there is a pure bred version )
Hope you enjoy your puppy
Mandy
srry summerriot u were the first person with a purebred to pop in my head.
I am sensing this is going to be a long post so I just want to say
congrats on your puppy. Allso wow some of these threads rally move ...yesterday there were only three pages!
I believe that I can answer your question.
the question being. Why people get mad b/c of doodles and other mixes and not byb pure breds....
Well I love mutts I am the new mommy of a litter of mutts (not planned)
do the unique mix I could have sold for alot of money and be like Yo I have black golden retrievers... a rare type of retriever... a color unseen b4. But I know in my heart I cannot do that..... The true diffrence between your doodle puppy and say summmerriots German shepherd is this. Sure at one time a german shepherd could have been a mutt. But that mutt has been bred with the same type mutt for generations making its type a pure strain. I can breed a german shepherd with a german shepherd and get german shepherds. If I take my puppies (black Lab/golden retriever) and breed them or a doodle I can have several outcomes. with my puppies I can have offspring that looks like a short hair lab or have the retriever hair. or in your case your doodles puppies could have poodle or lab hair. People here get upset b/c ppl have worked so hard to get the poodle or lab to be what it is today. sure they hate bybs that breed purebreds for money. But in their own way they are still working that perfect strain (unless they are not honest). So ppl here dont get mad at the pure breds. But mutts are mutts b/c they reproduce mutts. Mutts carry genes of two or more breeds and can pass what ever on. example the mom of my puppies is a yellow lab/golden retriever.. so half her puppies had Lab hair half had the retriever hair.(Dad was Black Lab/golden retriever)
Now if say some one worked the doodle strain for generations and made a new breed thats offspring was allways doodle then it could be reconized as a new breed. But todays doodle breeders are normally a one generation of Lab/poodle.
(maybe someone should do that work the doodles till its a pure strain....then ppl cannot sell those mutts for big bucks cuz there is a pure bred version
) Hope you enjoy your puppy
Mandy
srry summerriot u were the first person with a purebred to pop in my head.
Good point. The thing with purebreds is that we can't know where the people got them from, so usually we don't ask. When we know where the dogs are from though, and it's from a BYB or a petstore, you can bet the poor OP is going to have a lecture though. With designer breeds though, we don't have to ask, it's 99% sure that the dog came from a bad breeder/petshop. Which is why they are an 'easy' target.
So anyway, about the Australian Labradoodles. I like the fact that Tegan Park and Rutland Manor are trying to make it a breed. I despise the way it is done though. Way too many litters, dogs more expensive than purebreds, makes you wonder if they are doing it to really make a breed or just to make money (actually, I'm not wondering). I just don't believe that people really care about a breed when they make so much money out of it (and will make even more if the breed is recognized).
About the breeders that imported one of their dogs to the US to make their own Australian Labradoodles, I just think it's really sad that they are charging so much for them also. Even if it's a breed 'in progress', nothing justifies charging more than purebreds.
So frankly the whole thing sounds like a business to me... not something done by love. They found a good niche with allergy-free dogs, and are making people pay for it. I find it lame.
That being said, I like those dogs and maybe one day I will actually have one too (I have allergies also). But when they are a recognized breed and are not sold for $2000. So I'm not sure it will happen for a long time.
So anyway, about the Australian Labradoodles. I like the fact that Tegan Park and Rutland Manor are trying to make it a breed. I despise the way it is done though. Way too many litters, dogs more expensive than purebreds, makes you wonder if they are doing it to really make a breed or just to make money (actually, I'm not wondering). I just don't believe that people really care about a breed when they make so much money out of it (and will make even more if the breed is recognized).
About the breeders that imported one of their dogs to the US to make their own Australian Labradoodles, I just think it's really sad that they are charging so much for them also. Even if it's a breed 'in progress', nothing justifies charging more than purebreds.
So frankly the whole thing sounds like a business to me... not something done by love. They found a good niche with allergy-free dogs, and are making people pay for it. I find it lame.
That being said, I like those dogs and maybe one day I will actually have one too (I have allergies also). But when they are a recognized breed and are not sold for $2000. So I'm not sure it will happen for a long time.
What I don't understand is that people want to run out and get a "mutt" doodle breed instead of going for a standard poodle, wheaton terrier, etc. There are plenty of "hypo allergenic" breeds already out there and they are purebreds from "reputable breeders" if you do your homework . Why pay big money for a mixed breed when there are plenty in shelters or why not put the money into a well bred pure breed. Don't fall for the doodle hype because it is a doodle don't. Just because it is from Australia doesn't make them any better, it's like saying getting a german shepard from Germany is better when there are plenty of German line bred shepards right here in America.
. Why pay big money for a mixed breed when there are plenty in shelters or why not put the money into a well bred pure breed. Don't fall for the doodle hype because it is a doodle don't. Just because it is from Australia doesn't make them any better, it's like saying getting a german shepard from Germany is better when there are plenty of German line bred shepards right here in America.- Status