Jump Combination
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Your dogs are very cute, but it looks like those jumps are solid (not knockdownable) and that is not safe.
Also those jumps are much higher than needed for competition. As well its very hard on dogs to be jumping them so high and over such a combination when they are over weight/out of shape. Dekka is a little out of shape so before I do a lot of intense training I start small and work up as she gets fitter (though she is never fat)
Poor Bruno is using his back legs to push of the pole in a few of the pics. That shows that the jump is too high for him and or he has poor jumping style from jumping over solid jumps or both.
Also those jumps are much higher than needed for competition. As well its very hard on dogs to be jumping them so high and over such a combination when they are over weight/out of shape. Dekka is a little out of shape so before I do a lot of intense training I start small and work up as she gets fitter (though she is never fat)
Poor Bruno is using his back legs to push of the pole in a few of the pics. That shows that the jump is too high for him and or he has poor jumping style from jumping over solid jumps or both.
They would not do them if they didn't want to. This was the first time Bruno has ever gone over them, every other time he has refused and gone around, which is fine with me, it's just for fun. They aren't being forced to jump them, they don't want to jump them, they have that choice, if they have the confidence and want to, they do.
That was actually Spank's favorite pass time. He used to jump the 4 foot plus jumps out in the horse fields and even though he could clear them with easy he liked launching himself off with is back legs as well if you were s tanding in front of it so you'd catch him. :rofl1:
I'd be careful with the height for that little guy though. Jumps are just as fun, if not more so for the dogs when they are lower. Bruno is so cute. He's like "Look at me go, climbign the great wall of china"
I'd be careful with the height for that little guy though. Jumps are just as fun, if not more so for the dogs when they are lower. Bruno is so cute. He's like "Look at me go, climbign the great wall of china"
its not a matter of wanting too... its a matter of safety. Your dog's don't know that jumping when overweight can seriously damage their joints. That is the point of being the owner and being responsible..
My dogs would love to eat chocolate and they have the confidence to take on the horses.. doesn't mean they should to either of those things.
Its also why many agility dogs go for chiro or massage appts. It can be hard on the body even when the dogs are in top condition. This is why most agility instructors (all good ones) won't let your dog's jump if they are overwieght. Its not that the dogs don't want too.. the problem is all too often they do want to. Dog's usually don't listen to their bodies limitations, esp when doing something really fun
Many agility competitors will drop their dog down a height if they are too close the the bottom end of an upper category. Its because over time it can hurt your dog. I am not saying this to be mean, or what have you.. I am saying this because you have dogs who look like they are enjoying themselves and it would be tragic if something you and they enjoy doing causes lasting and permanent damage.
Hopefully other agility type ppls can also chime in so you realize I am not picking on you, just trying to educate on saftey.
My dogs would love to eat chocolate and they have the confidence to take on the horses.. doesn't mean they should to either of those things.
Its also why many agility dogs go for chiro or massage appts. It can be hard on the body even when the dogs are in top condition. This is why most agility instructors (all good ones) won't let your dog's jump if they are overwieght. Its not that the dogs don't want too.. the problem is all too often they do want to. Dog's usually don't listen to their bodies limitations, esp when doing something really fun
Many agility competitors will drop their dog down a height if they are too close the the bottom end of an upper category. Its because over time it can hurt your dog. I am not saying this to be mean, or what have you.. I am saying this because you have dogs who look like they are enjoying themselves and it would be tragic if something you and they enjoy doing causes lasting and permanent damage.
Hopefully other agility type ppls can also chime in so you realize I am not picking on you, just trying to educate on saftey.
Actually many dogs WILL jump things that are unsafe and that they would not normally jump for no other reason than you have asked them to. The fact that Bruno bails out every other time is an obvious sign you are asking too much of him.
If it's just for fun why would you do something that is unsafe? Why do they need to jump so high?
If it's just for fun why would you do something that is unsafe? Why do they need to jump so high?
I agree completely with Dekka.
Just because the dog wants to do something doesn't mean it's something he should do. Hell, when Tyr was a pup, he wanted to eat little bits of broken glass that were on the ground...should I have allowed it simply because he wasn't being made to do it?
And if something is enough fun for the dog, he'll do it even if he does hurt. It's our job to be responsible and smart and to do what we can to prevent injuries.
Just because the dog wants to do something doesn't mean it's something he should do. Hell, when Tyr was a pup, he wanted to eat little bits of broken glass that were on the ground...should I have allowed it simply because he wasn't being made to do it?
And if something is enough fun for the dog, he'll do it even if he does hurt. It's our job to be responsible and smart and to do what we can to prevent injuries.
To be honest, I'm not all that conerned. It's not like it's something we do everyday, or alot when we do do it. And Simba has done even more then this, no problem. Heh, I find no harm in doing it. Simba has done jumping like this all his life (Not this high the whole time of course though).
And I will take up the idea of making them knockable. That never even crossed my mind before. >.<
And I will take up the idea of making them knockable. That never even crossed my mind before. >.<
Everyone here is only trying to help you and your dogs stay safe. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" isn't helping anyone.
Those jumps look like they're way too close together. Wouldn't it be more fun to spread them out a bit? When I set up some jumps for Gavroche out in the yard I try to take up as much room as possible so he can get some running into them and get a good approach, plus it means his jump course lasts longer, which he loves. High jumps are especially dangerous if your dog's not used to jumping. Agility takes practice and good conditioning. You don't really want a torn cruciate (or worse) on one of the dogs. It is the owner's responsibility to keep them safe.
AJ would happily chase cars all day long. We wouldn't make him do it, but if we were to allow him to do it and not stop him because it's his choice, would that be responsible?
Those jumps look like they're way too close together. Wouldn't it be more fun to spread them out a bit? When I set up some jumps for Gavroche out in the yard I try to take up as much room as possible so he can get some running into them and get a good approach, plus it means his jump course lasts longer, which he loves. High jumps are especially dangerous if your dog's not used to jumping. Agility takes practice and good conditioning. You don't really want a torn cruciate (or worse) on one of the dogs. It is the owner's responsibility to keep them safe.
AJ would happily chase cars all day long. We wouldn't make him do it, but if we were to allow him to do it and not stop him because it's his choice, would that be responsible?
I have no issues with the closeness (do that all the time in jump grids) Its good to improve form. As long as the jumps are appropriate. I would say no higher than 16 inches if your dogs are under 16 inches tall. (in AAC and USDAA which have the highest jump heights in agility its 10 inch jumps for dogs 12" and under and 16 inch jumps for dogs 16" and under. And that is for healthy fit dogs...
AKC jump heights are even lower.
YOU might not see an issue with it, but I would think that you should be willing to look into it for the sake of your dogs. I don't jump my dogs every day. Most agility competitors only train a few times a week, and WE consider it a big deal.
AKC jump heights are even lower.
YOU might not see an issue with it, but I would think that you should be willing to look into it for the sake of your dogs. I don't jump my dogs every day. Most agility competitors only train a few times a week, and WE consider it a big deal.
Agree completely with Dekka. I'm working on the Susan Salo jump program with Auggie and our jumps are set rather close together. But the height is a big problem, and again, if it's just for fun, WHY do they need to be so high? They don't.
I hope they're getting a proper warm-up before going through those jumps.
I hope they're getting a proper warm-up before going through those jumps.
I agree with everyone, but the way this has been said would have put me on the defense too. Having someone you don't know shake a finger in your face and tell you that, essentially, you are a bad dog owner is enough to make anyone bristle.
To be honest, I think Paige put it the best...Also, we are all adults here and making comments such as "Sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" isn't helping anyone" is both unnecessary and immature (have you considered too that this may be happening on both sides).
Also, as in the horse world (this is why dressage barns don't talk to hunter barns who don't talk to jumper barns, who don't talk to western pleasure barns, who don't talk to HUS barns, who don't talk to eventer barns, etc.) everyone has their own way of doing things, and yes everyone is bound to disagree over just about anything when it comes to the training, care, nutrition, etc. of their animals. Yes when I see a 2 year old horse under saddle at the shows it ticks me off because that horse is way too young, BUT I don't march up to the owner and tell them off. If it comes up in conversation I'll ask why they're riding them so young, and provide some articles from reliable sources (think scientific journals and veterinary publications) that show why riding a horse at such a young age is not a good thing. I usually get a positive response that way...as in the person listens to my opinion and reads the material that I provided. It doesn't mean that they will change their minds, but at least I've got them thinking.
When we run in with the cavalry first thing we tend to shut our minds down, and so does the other person that the perceived attack is against. She's not doing this to personally offend anyone, so we don't need to be so offensive either. Also, as I have said earlier, she might be more receptive to learning if the approach had been different. In stead of "you're doing this wrong, in doing so you are being an irresponsible pet owner and your dogs are suffering", perhaps "wow, it seems like you have a great time with your dogs. I'm curious, can I ask why the jumps are so high?"; that, IMO, opens the door to a productive discussion of the risks associated with jumping high jumps that don't have a break-away safety feature.
again, this is just my opinion...I heard a quote once, and I'm probably going to get flamed for this, haha, but it seems to fit this situation so here goes "fighting over the internet is like competing in the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded", lol, and no I don't have anything against special needs people. My sister is autistic and my cousin has CP, just have a sense of humor about it, lol
To be honest, I think Paige put it the best...Also, we are all adults here and making comments such as "Sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" isn't helping anyone" is both unnecessary and immature (have you considered too that this may be happening on both sides).
Also, as in the horse world (this is why dressage barns don't talk to hunter barns who don't talk to jumper barns, who don't talk to western pleasure barns, who don't talk to HUS barns, who don't talk to eventer barns, etc.) everyone has their own way of doing things, and yes everyone is bound to disagree over just about anything when it comes to the training, care, nutrition, etc. of their animals. Yes when I see a 2 year old horse under saddle at the shows it ticks me off because that horse is way too young, BUT I don't march up to the owner and tell them off. If it comes up in conversation I'll ask why they're riding them so young, and provide some articles from reliable sources (think scientific journals and veterinary publications) that show why riding a horse at such a young age is not a good thing. I usually get a positive response that way...as in the person listens to my opinion and reads the material that I provided. It doesn't mean that they will change their minds, but at least I've got them thinking.
When we run in with the cavalry first thing we tend to shut our minds down, and so does the other person that the perceived attack is against. She's not doing this to personally offend anyone, so we don't need to be so offensive either. Also, as I have said earlier, she might be more receptive to learning if the approach had been different. In stead of "you're doing this wrong, in doing so you are being an irresponsible pet owner and your dogs are suffering", perhaps "wow, it seems like you have a great time with your dogs. I'm curious, can I ask why the jumps are so high?"; that, IMO, opens the door to a productive discussion of the risks associated with jumping high jumps that don't have a break-away safety feature.
again, this is just my opinion...I heard a quote once, and I'm probably going to get flamed for this, haha, but it seems to fit this situation so here goes "fighting over the internet is like competing in the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded", lol, and no I don't have anything against special needs people. My sister is autistic and my cousin has CP, just have a sense of humor about it, lol
No one is going to flame you. But if I saw someone jumping a two year old horse just cause the horse wants too.. You bet I would walk up and say something. Esp if they said oh look at my horse jump..
No one is fighting over the internet.. please. We saw some adorable dogs doing something dangerous. This is NOT the sort of forum that goes "awwww" no matter what. (and if you are looking for that sort of forum you will be very disappointed here) If we think an animal is at risk we will speak up.
(oh and as a dressage person I do talk to western barns, hunter barns, etc even back when I was a barn manager/instructor for a living. Check my siggy for my opinion on such things.)
No one is fighting over the internet.. please. We saw some adorable dogs doing something dangerous. This is NOT the sort of forum that goes "awwww" no matter what. (and if you are looking for that sort of forum you will be very disappointed here) If we think an animal is at risk we will speak up.
(oh and as a dressage person I do talk to western barns, hunter barns, etc even back when I was a barn manager/instructor for a living. Check my siggy for my opinion on such things.)