I'm Going to Breed Roxy Mae

[bridey_01]

Hmm. The whole issue is very convaluted. "Breeding for the betterment of the breed".
Could someone just verify for me what this actually means. What is the end outcome, puppies born with halos?
I believe in breeding for the betterment of the dog. In my opinion, i would breed that life saving, loyal, wise mix over a brainless bichon any day.

 

[mrose_s]

i agree bridey

 

[bridey_01]

no offense to the bichons

 

[mrose_s]

well i suppose it depends on what sort of qualities you are looking for, but only breeding purebreds is like saying we can't have chinese people with australians or americans with japanese, and that is considered racist.

 

[gaddylovesdogs]

"Breeding for the betterment of the breed".
Could someone just verify for me what this actually means.

"Breeding for the betterment of the breed" means breeding healthy, sound dogs that will produce more healthy sound dogs instead of dogs with serious health and behavioral problems.

but only breeding purebreds is like saying we can't have chinese people with australians or americans with japanese, and that is considered racist.

A Chinese person marrying an Australian and having children is completely different that say, a Shar Pei mating with a Kelpie. The off-spring of humans are not thrown onto the streets. They do not starve to death. They are not gassed to death when their family decides they're too stubborn, or too picky. In America, we don't have millions of humans being euthanized every year. I'm sure you don't in Australia, either.

 

[gaddylovesdogs]

but just because it is "iresponsible" to breed two mixes doesnt mean there isnt a demand. Nearly every person we see that meets sophie wants a pup if she has any.

I don't care if there is a demand. I have people tell me all the time my dogs are such good dogs, and that they're pretty. But just because someone likes my dog doesn't mean I should breed it.

a lot of people lettheir dogs free roam so a lot of accident puppies are born

That's why people should spay and neuter their pets. If a male dog smells a female in heat, he'll do anything to get to her.

 

[mrose_s]

exactley, and i see your points so its ok

 

[showpug]

Hmm. The whole issue is very convaluted. "Breeding for the betterment of the breed".
Could someone just verify for me what this actually means. What is the end outcome, puppies born with halos?
I believe in breeding for the betterment of the dog. In my opinion, i would breed that life saving, loyal, wise mix over a brainless bichon any day.

It means, that you are temperment testing your breeding stock along with doing genetic health screens to make sure your efforts result in healthy puppies. It means that you are breeding a certain breed to adhere as close as you can to their written standard. That you breed dogs of a certain breed that are great examples of how that breed is suppose to act and look so you preserve what we know of the dogs we love. It means you pay attention to what makes a breed what it is and that your sole intent is to preserve the pointers ability to point birds, the newfie's ability to swim and save lives and the pugs ability to cuddle and never act aggressive. It means that you care more about the dogs than you do your own interests and personal taste. To better the breed is to believe that purebred dogs were created for a reason and a good one at that. It means to protect their foundation and heritage and to act responsibly on their behalf.

The result...a whole lot of satisfaction knowing you were a part in keeping the breed you know and love what it is today. Knowing that you produced puppies that are great examples of their breed that will act and carry out what they are suppose to. Knowing that the families you placed your puppies with will love the fact that they got what they were hoping for and did their research on. The best result is knowing that any puppies produved by you were only done so with the best of intentions and the dogs future at heart.

 

[3furkids]

well i suppose it depends on what sort of qualities you are looking for, but only breeding purebreds is like saying we can't have chinese people with australians or americans with japanese, and that is considered racist.

People and dogs are NOT the same. We are not dependant on dogs, they are on us and it is up tp people to prtect and keep dogs safe. And I still believe that is people are going around and breeding their dog just because she is cute and other people love her is VERY irrisponsible!!! Just answer this....WHY bring more dogs into the world when there are so many dying in shelters everyday???? Every pup that you allow to be born is causing suffering and death to other animals.

Seriously...go volunteer at the shelter/pound. Once you look into a dogs eyes that is dying you will understand.

I believe in breeding for the betterment of the dog. In my opinion, i would breed that life saving, loyal, wise mix over a brainless bichon any day.

Well lets hope that you don't for the same reasons above. How do you know her pups would have the same characteristics?

 

[bridey_01]

I believe the exact same principles for not breeding mixes applies for not breeding purebreeds. I work in a shelter too, and it is at least fifty fifty.
Sound dogs can be bred from mixes, that's obvious.
"Breeding for the betterment of the breed" means breeding healthy, sound dogs that will produce more healthy sound dogs instead of dogs with serious health and behavioral problems."
You can do this just as well with mixed breeds. In my experience pure bred dogs seem to have a whole lot more problems than mixes. This arises from so much linebreeding, something that is rarely done when breeding mixes.
Now, it must be said that i do not advocate indescriminate breeding of ANY dogs, regardless of breed. I just stated that, given the choice of breeding yet ANOTHER litter of little purebreds so that their ears are a little higher or their coat is closer to the standard, i would breed a mix of stunning temperament.

 

[3furkids]

believe the exact same principles for not breeding mixes applies for not breeding purebreeds. I work in a shelter too, and it is at least fifty fifty.

How can you work in a shelter and advocate breeding mixes?? This is shocking to me.

Isn't there enough pups in the world that die needlessly?

 

[gaddylovesdogs]

As I said earlier, I don't know how bad your overpopulation problem is in Australia, but it's bad here in America. I don't see how anyone could breed more mixes when there are millions and millions out there in need of homes.

 

[showpug]

ok, i see all your points.
but just because it is "iresponsible" to breed two mixes doesnt mean there isnt a demand. Nearly every person we see that meets sophie wants a pup if she has any. But she is a little too old now so we won't breed her.
And reemeber, where I live, we don't have ANY shelters and any dogs that end up on the street usually end up either picked up by the pound or become camp dogs. We have very few purebreds in this town (ratio compared to mixes) and a lot of people lettheir dogs free roam so a lot of accident puppies are born, we have had to abortian daisy once because she ran away while on heat. And dogs always jump our fence when sophie is.

Instead of aborting puppies you could consider getting her spayed By leaving her intact, you are almost guaranteeing her mammary and uterine cancer and pyometra a deadly uterine infection. It is just not healthy to leave them intact just for the heck of it. If she is older now, why on earth is she not spayed??? This baffles me.

 

[bridey_01]

How can i work in a shelter and advocate breeding ANY dogs would be a more appropriate question. And, i never advocated breeding mixes, i merely stated that given a CHOICE as in a HYPOTHETICAL situation i would breed for behaviour over looks, and if the behaviour in the mix was superior to the pure i would breed the mix. read more carefully.

 

[mrose_s]

People and dogs are NOT the same. We are not dependant on dogs, they are on us and it is up tp people to prtect and keep dogs safe. And I still believe that is people are going around and breeding their dog just because she is cute and other people love her is VERY irrisponsible!!! Just answer this....WHY bring more dogs into the world when there are so many dying in shelters everyday???? Every pup that you allow to be born is causing suffering and death to other animals.

and remember, people think that having a child is lovely and great, when there are children of all ages in orphanages all over the world. Some don't even have that luxury, some kids, in other countries, get shot if they live on the street. And we have overpopulated the earth, yet having a baby if your human is still considered a celebration.

 

[3furkids]

and remember, people think that having a child is lovely and great, when there are children of all ages in orphanages all over the world. Some don't even have that luxury, some kids, in other countries, get shot if they live on the street. And we have overpopulated the earth, yet having a baby if your human is still considered a celebration.

But the conversation is about breeding dogs.... IMHO, yes the human population has its problems too but that is another thread. (I work in as school as well )

 

[3furkids]

How can i work in a shelter and advocate breeding ANY dogs would be a more appropriate question. And, i never advocated breeding mixes, i merely stated that given a CHOICE as in a HYPOTHETICAL situation i would breed for behaviour over looks, and if the behaviour in the mix was superior to the pure i would breed the mix. read more carefully.

Lets just say that you and I agree to disagree Becaue I am all for breeding purebred dogs if done by a reputable breeder ( that had a low number of litters a year if any). This way the dogs are costing $ and people will stop and think before buying. Also they are health and temperment tested. Like I said I own a mutt that I rescued from the shelter. I love her dearly but would never dream of breeding her!

 

[bridey_01]

So, in this hypothetical situation you would breed the purebred with the bad temperament instead of the mix with a stunning one?
I just think breeders breed to many litters, simply to edge that one inch closer to the "breed standard". I am very concerned about overpopulation, and all of my dogs are fixed and adopted from shelters,(two of them are purebreeds!)

 

[Doberluv]

OK....I'll settle this. (tee hee hee)

Don't breed any mixes and spay and neuter them all.

Breed only the finest specimens of purebreds (spay and neuter the rest) and only by reputable, responsible, ethical, stupendous breeders who know what they're doing and do it right.

There. I said it.

 

[3furkids]

I fi had a purebred with a bad temperment I would NOT breed it. I am saying reputable, good breeders. Not just any joe blow who has a purebred...those are backyard breeders who don't breed for health and temperment.

I am glad we both agree on overpopulation and spaying a neutering

Myself, I would never attempt to breed dogs (or cats).