I'm Going to Breed Roxy Mae
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Doberluv said:
OK....I'll settle this. (tee hee hee)
Don't breed any mixes and spay and neuter them all.
Breed only the finest specimens of purebreds (spay and neuter the rest) and only by reputable, responsible, ethical, stupendous breeders who know what they're doing and do it right.
There. I said it.
Don't breed any mixes and spay and neuter them all.
Breed only the finest specimens of purebreds (spay and neuter the rest) and only by reputable, responsible, ethical, stupendous breeders who know what they're doing and do it right.
There. I said it.
i beg to differ there, sorry Doberluv, I do respect you but.
Imagine this, you arnt a supermodel so you can't pass on your gene?
i know you keep saying don't compare it to humans, but it puts it in perspective
I am getting a little tired of people thinking that show dogs are dumb and just "supermodels." I take offense to this. I show my dogs and they are not dumb AND I would never breed one with a poor temperment or a personality that does not reflect the breed. I know many show people in different breeds as well. Many whom have multiple working/field trial/obedience titles on their dogs. In fact, a lot of show people don't just show in conformation, they show in a lot of different avenues many of which require brains and a functioning athletic body. I get upset by people always passing judgment on show dogs, especially when they know nothing about it. I promise you that "show" breeders are not just breeding for looks. The good ones never breed a dog with a bad temperment and MANY require other titles on their dogs as well before breeding. Some of the top winners at Westminster and Eukanuba have been obedience champions, field trial champions, agility champions and registered therapy dogs. These dog have brains and they deserve some recognition and a lot less put down.
As far as the breeding of mixes goes...good temperment or not, they should not bre bred, and the same goes for purebreds. Temperment should not be the only reason to breed a dog anyway.
As far as the breeding of mixes goes...good temperment or not, they should not bre bred, and the same goes for purebreds. Temperment should not be the only reason to breed a dog anyway.
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When I say finest, I mean supermodels. LOL. (of the dog world) which includes, not only looks, conformation, but many other attributes, built to do a job they were bred to do, the mentality, temperament, health, genetics....the finest, the creme of the crop.
Of course we can't compare to human beings. It does NOT put it in perspective. There is no perspective to be gained by comparing dogs breeding practices and human beings'. LOL. We can't go around controlling who breeds and who doesn't...in humans. That's a completely different thing. This is a discussion about dogs, not people. LOL.
Of course we can't compare to human beings. It does NOT put it in perspective. There is no perspective to be gained by comparing dogs breeding practices and human beings'. LOL. We can't go around controlling who breeds and who doesn't...in humans. That's a completely different thing. This is a discussion about dogs, not people. LOL.
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Well said Showpug. People that make statements about show dogs being nothing but pretty are so terribly uninformed. I get tired of it too. The top winners have it all....brains, beauty, conformational design, temperament, health, genetics to do it all....the jobs they were bred to do and in keeping with the standard. If there are some flaws in some standards, I think that is the minority. There are some problems there, yes. (like with GSDs IMO) But all in all, people are taking that and blowing it out of proportion and saying that most all showdogs suck. That's ridiculous and not true...sounds like sour grapes to me.
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ok, well, reme,ber that if you breed the cremem of the crop you end up with a whole lot of, just that perfect and !expensive! dogs. Dogs are our pets and our friends, it doesnt really matter if they are suited for show or not. Why not use this time to encourage poepel to adopt from shelters. Prevention is better than cure, but I would hate a worl with no mixes.
I show dogs, and I own a mix. I am not against mixes and there will always mixes that have a purpose too (loving companions.) If you can't afford a well bred purebred, then get a mix they need homes too. I am all for adopting dogs...I have myself, but I just get sick and tired of people thinking it is okay to breed any dog. Prove that you have put time, research and skill into breeding and I am fine with it. The reason we have all the mixes and dogs in the shelters is because everyone and their neighbor decides it is okay to breed any dog which leads to pet over-population. Cruddy purebred breeders are responsible for this problem too. They breed far too many litters a year without doing any testing or competing with their dogs to even determine if they are worthy of breeding. The show breeders I know breed 1 litter a year tops and you would not believe the amount of research and testing that goes into it. It is a disgrace to the dogs and future pet owners to produce anything that is sub-standard in my opinion. Adopt a dog if you don't want a purebred, or if you don't want to pay a lot.
Doberluv....well said you too. I always like hearing what you have to say, because I feel like we are on the same page when it comes to protecting dogs and caring about mass production and backyard breeders. Keep up the good work
Doberluv....well said you too. I always like hearing what you have to say, because I feel like we are on the same page when it comes to protecting dogs and caring about mass production and backyard breeders. Keep up the good work
How do toy breeds keep fleas off people? Do they eat them?
Hey Pro, Im sure your going to have a great success on your first litter.
I also read somewhere that weight on the dog doesn't even matter. SOme people say they've seen 4 lb female delivering safe while the 6 lb female struggles. I guess it depends on the structure of your female and how strong she is.
Hey Pro, Im sure your going to have a great success on your first litter.
I also read somewhere that weight on the dog doesn't even matter. SOme people say they've seen 4 lb female delivering safe while the 6 lb female struggles. I guess it depends on the structure of your female and how strong she is.
Jeez...
Pro, just to clarify, a slightly long muzzle is just that - a slightly long muzzle! It has nothing to do with your dog having a "Deer head", she simply has a slightly faulted muzzle. No dog is perfect.
That, IMO, should not be the deciding factor on whether breeding her would contribute something of value to the breed. I have not seen your dog, I know very little about her besides the way her head looks, and I am not in any position to tell you that she -isn't- worthy of breeding. That's your decision to make, just be sure you make the responsible one.
I find it disappointing, however, that conformation to AKC's standard seems to take the main priority in breeding.
Pro, just to clarify, a slightly long muzzle is just that - a slightly long muzzle! It has nothing to do with your dog having a "Deer head", she simply has a slightly faulted muzzle. No dog is perfect.
That, IMO, should not be the deciding factor on whether breeding her would contribute something of value to the breed. I have not seen your dog, I know very little about her besides the way her head looks, and I am not in any position to tell you that she -isn't- worthy of breeding. That's your decision to make, just be sure you make the responsible one.
I find it disappointing, however, that conformation to AKC's standard seems to take the main priority in breeding.
Rip's Girl said:
Jeez...
Pro, just to clarify, a slightly long muzzle is just that - a slightly long muzzle! It has nothing to do with your dog having a "Deer head", she simply has a slightly faulted muzzle. No dog is perfect.
That, IMO, should not be the deciding factor on whether breeding her would contribute something of value to the breed. I have not seen your dog, I know very little about her besides the way her head looks, and I am not in any position to tell you that she -isn't- worthy of breeding. That's your decision to make, just be sure you make the responsible one.
I find it disappointing, however, that conformation to AKC's standard seems to take the main priority in breeding.
Pro, just to clarify, a slightly long muzzle is just that - a slightly long muzzle! It has nothing to do with your dog having a "Deer head", she simply has a slightly faulted muzzle. No dog is perfect.
That, IMO, should not be the deciding factor on whether breeding her would contribute something of value to the breed. I have not seen your dog, I know very little about her besides the way her head looks, and I am not in any position to tell you that she -isn't- worthy of breeding. That's your decision to make, just be sure you make the responsible one.
I find it disappointing, however, that conformation to AKC's standard seems to take the main priority in breeding.
I don't think show dogs are dumb, that kind of generalisation could get me into alot of trouble, lol.
But, i must say, some breeds have just been butchered over the years. Like when queen Victoria discovered the super intelligent "colley dog" and decided she would dumb it down and transform it into a family pet.
All those great herding insticts, out the window when she put the borzoi in. And there is a MASSIVE difference in working and show lines, at least here in Australia.
When i am teaching i can tell straight away which Kelpies are from show and which from working (and let me tell you, it is the show which normally learn slower).
I don't know if this same "dumbing down" process has gone into our beloved kelpies (they are pretty intense and unsuitable for homes if they are from working lines)
but i hate to see those squat little things and their squinty eyes waddle into class.
I hate it even more when people look at my kelpie and tell me she is too "leggy", I tell them, at least she can perform what she is bred to do!
But, i must say, some breeds have just been butchered over the years. Like when queen Victoria discovered the super intelligent "colley dog" and decided she would dumb it down and transform it into a family pet.
All those great herding insticts, out the window when she put the borzoi in. And there is a MASSIVE difference in working and show lines, at least here in Australia.
When i am teaching i can tell straight away which Kelpies are from show and which from working (and let me tell you, it is the show which normally learn slower).
I don't know if this same "dumbing down" process has gone into our beloved kelpies (they are pretty intense and unsuitable for homes if they are from working lines)
but i hate to see those squat little things and their squinty eyes waddle into class.
I hate it even more when people look at my kelpie and tell me she is too "leggy", I tell them, at least she can perform what she is bred to do!
Bridey...I do agree with you that there has been a masacre when it comes to some breeds in the show ring. Part of me feels like if a dog is bred to work, hunt, or herd that they should have to prove through competition that they can do their original task AND aquire conformation points before they can obtain their championship. This would help prevent some of the "dumbing down." I show toy dogs and I think that they should pass temperment testing along with a conformation title in order to get their championship. This way, just like the herding breeds that can't herd, we also won't see aggressive companion dogs.
Exactly right. It's hard for the real breed enthusiasts to watch their breed become popular and in doing so become something completely different. Australian farmers wouldn't even RECOGNISE what passes for a "kelpie" in the show ring. Yet those same farmers offer thousands to buy my kelpie, which would be laughed out of the ring if i ever tried to show her!
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