Illinois ADBA show pics (PIC HEAVY)

[Chewbecca]

Err...if DA was somehow magically removed, it WOULD be for everyone. Don't all pit bull owners swear up and down that they're the best family pets ever? Great with kids, kind and gentle, they've only got one flaw in my eyes. Remove that, and you just might have a fabulous pet instead of a dangerous one in the hands of the wrong person.

I'd wager that most pet owners aren't responsible. Maybe its just my lack of faith in humanity that doesn't allow me to do anything but cringe.

Oh!
But see, APBTs ARE fabulous family pets.

Look, whoever wishes to discuss how they dislike pit bulls, or if they want to discuss my training with Ella or whatever, please start a new thread somewhere else.
This thread was created to show off some nice pictures of some pretty dogs
who accomplished some decent wins at a dog show.

I've stated all I can about APBTs, I'm not going to keep arguing and pointing out facts, so, please Kela, you've stated your opinion on APBTs. If you wish to CONTINUE to do so, please take it out of my thread. Don't pollute MY picture thread with your lack of knowledge and your UNWILLINGNESS to accept the facts about this breed.

Thanks.

 

[Bahamutt99]

Err...if DA was somehow magically removed, it WOULD be for everyone. Don't all pit bull owners swear up and down that they're the best family pets ever? Great with kids, kind and gentle, they've only got one flaw in my eyes. Remove that, and you just might have a fabulous pet instead of a dangerous one in the hands of the wrong person.

I'd wager that most pet owners aren't responsible. Maybe its just my lack of faith in humanity that doesn't allow me to do anything but cringe.

Judging from your posts here and in the thread in General where you swore that Chi owners don't let their dogs run loose and that the Pit Bull owner had to have been lying, it seems like you have something against the breed. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course. But the few threads I've seen that you posted in, you had something negative to say about the breed. Just an observation.

Dog aggression is in these dogs. It's no problem to the people that own them. I deal with it everyday, and it's more of an inconvenience than anything. Have you ever thought that we don't really want these dogs to be the kind of breed that is suitable for everybody? And that they weren't bred to be pets, therefore breeding strictly to make them pets would be doing the breed a disservice? They were bred to work. I can't stress that enough. The drive which they will direct towards another dog can be a great benefit to a working dog when directed to something more appropriate. I would much rather have a dog-hot dog than a people-aggressive dog.

That aside, I have to say I'm surprised that responses in this thread have been overall positive. Then again, there's always been a great group of common sense people on this board. Glad to see they're out in force here. Maybe next year you will be seeing some of my dogs in Becca's pics. I'm hoping to saddle up for a few ADBA shows.

 

[Chewbecca]

Lindsay,

you'd better bet I'll be snapping pics of your dogs.
And, yes, I'll be taking Terra home with me.
And then I'll be heading over to Deb to snag Bean from her.:lol-sign:

 

[Squishy22]

I don't think DA is really useful in Dogos, they are bred to work with each other as catch dogs, can't have your dogs fighting with each other instead of catching the hog .

Back to the main topic of the thread: all those dogs are gorgeous! Great pics!

Back in the day it was well known that a mating pair would actually fight in the midst of mating. Thats how bad their DA was. Their DA has subsided quite a bit now days. I researched the breed years ago as it was one of my faves. Beautiful dogs!

 

[Squishy22]

Err...if DA was somehow magically removed, it WOULD be for everyone. Don't all pit bull owners swear up and down that they're the best family pets ever? Great with kids, kind and gentle, they've only got one flaw in my eyes. Remove that, and you just might have a fabulous pet instead of a dangerous one in the hands of the wrong person.

I'd wager that most pet owners aren't responsible. Maybe its just my lack of faith in humanity that doesn't allow me to do anything but cringe.

Oh I get it. You're a classic pit bull hater. I suppose you support BSL too. I'm sorry, but I am really feeling the need to defend my breed here, because you are wrong.

YOU CANNOT ERASE GENETICS. So what do you suggest should be done?? I'd love to hear your answer to this.

You know if we threw out and disqualified all dogs who are DA, that we would lose some amazing and outstanding dogs... and future generations? I dont know what percentage of these dogs are DA, but this breed would seriously suffer.

It sounds like your saying that these dogs are dangerous all around because they are DA. Dangerous to people or just dangerous to other dogs?

ANY dog can become DANGEROUS in the wrong hands, so lets ban all breeds shall we.

 

[GSDlover_4ever]

Also, when you go around messing with genetics you can redirect DA to things more devastating like HA.

 

[Kela]

Oh!
Don't pollute MY picture thread with your lack of knowledge and your UNWILLINGNESS to accept the facts about this breed.

Thanks.

Don't attack me in "your thread" then and maybe you'll get a better response. You can't even have an open minded conversation without attempting to tell someone else what they do or don't know?

If you'll notice I used the word "magically" while demonstrating my knowledge of the breed. I know plenty about the animal. Your thread opened my eyes to the fact that these so called responsible pit bull owners actually encourage their dogs to lunge at each other at competitions? To me that's just completely approving and condoning of what the dogs were originally bred for: dog fighting.

On top of that, doesn't intentionally bringing a DA dog around other dogs...aggravate the animals intentionally? A dog that is lunging at another dog with the intention of hurting it, isn't a happy dog.

Hearing that "this dog should keep this undesirable trait just because it shouldn't be suitable for most owners" is just ...wow... I can't believe people say things like that.

 

[Kela]

I suppose you support BSL too. I'm sorry, but I am really feeling the need to defend my breed here, because you are wrong.

There are people who don't know anything about the subject that support BSL.
There are people who know all of the facts and support BSL.
Likewise,
there are people who don't know anything about the subject and are against BSL.
There are people who know all of the facts and are against BSL.

There are four sides (and I suppose a fifth who doesn't care at all) to the subject. There are also a bunch of different things that define BSL. BSL isn't always outright "no pit bulls" or "put down all pit bulls" or whatever misconceptions people have about the subject.

As for my personal take, I'd support liability insurance, sterilization for those without breeding licenses, and some kind of special permit for ownership akin to registration. My hope is that it would decrease the number of irresponsible owners while not harming those who aren't. The bad dog owner would see "Extra work" and a few extra bucks that they wouldn't be willing to spend and be deterred from the breed.

 

[Punkygirl0101]

Absolutely STUNNING dogs!!!

 

[Laurelin]

Hearing that "this dog should keep this undesirable trait just because it shouldn't be suitable for most owners" is just ...wow... I can't believe people say things like that.

Ah yes, but what is undesirable? DA is very undesirable to me because it doesn't fit with my life. I also find extreme prey drive undesirable as I have small dogs that could easily be mistaken as prey. However, another person might find say.... my sheltie's extreme herdiness, heel biting, and most importantly his dislike for strangers as undesirable as well. (Not to mention the incessant 'speaking'). I find it perfectly easy to live with.

There are plenty of DA breeds, not just pits. There are plenty of wary breeds around strangers. Like any other breed, there are both positives and negatives to the breed. (Of course this depends on how you see said characteristic) The breed is what it is, imo. If you don't much care for the temperament, then find one that suits you better. You should get into a breed knowing what potential traits you are going to have to manage. I'm sure there are a lot of traits you personally have no problem managing that I and other people would have issues with. Responsible people with this breed manage their dogs and their aggression.

Pits are supposed to be DA. I don't think because so many irresponsible and/or ignorant people get the breed that the good breeders must suddenly change the breed totally to suit these irresponsible people. These people just aren't suited to the breed. Perhaps if they had read up on the breed and been presented with honest information not the 'pits are evil creatures' or 'pits are great for everyone!' information you hear a lot. Imo responsible pit breeders must absolutely be up front about the DA in the breed as well as the positives.

It is important to remember that not all dog breeds are the same and not all dog breeds should be expected to react the same to certain situations.

 

[Saje]

Gorgeous, gorgeous pics. What glass were you using?

 

[GSDlover_4ever]

As for my personal take, I'd support liability insurance, sterilization for those without breeding licenses, and some kind of special permit for ownership akin to registration. My hope is that it would decrease the number of irresponsible owners while not harming those who aren't. The bad dog owner would see "Extra work" and a few extra bucks that they wouldn't be willing to spend and be deterred from the breed.

You do realize you are arguing the issue of DOG AGRESSION. A well bred APBT is NOT a danger to humans. There are other breeds who ARE. DA is only viewed as vicious because people dont understand agression. I'll take a DA dog coming at my dog, than a HA dog coming at me. There is a way better chance if I am uninjured and can help my dog.

 

[Tahla9999]

Ah yes, but what is undesirable? DA is very undesirable to me because it doesn't fit with my life. I also find extreme prey drive undesirable as I have small dogs that could easily be mistaken as prey. However, another person might find say.... my sheltie's extreme herdiness, heel biting, and most importantly his dislike for strangers as undesirable as well. (Not to mention the incessant 'speaking'). I find it perfectly easy to live with.

There are plenty of DA breeds, not just pits. There are plenty of wary breeds around strangers. Like any other breed, there are both positives and negatives to the breed. (Of course this depends on how you see said characteristic) The breed is what it is, imo. If you don't much care for the temperament, then find one that suits you better. You should get into a breed knowing what potential traits you are going to have to manage. I'm sure there are a lot of traits you personally have no problem managing that I and other people would have issues with. Responsible people with this breed manage their dogs and their aggression.

Pits are supposed to be DA. I don't think because so many irresponsible and/or ignorant people get the breed that the good breeders must suddenly change the breed totally to suit these irresponsible people. These people just aren't suited to the breed. Perhaps if they had read up on the breed and been presented with honest information not the 'pits are evil creatures' or 'pits are great for everyone!' information you hear a lot. Imo responsible pit breeders must absolutely be up front about the DA in the breed as well as the positives.

It is important to remember that not all dog breeds are the same and not all dog breeds should be expected to react the same to certain situations.

Great post!:hail:

There are a lot of people who want to change the Chow breed because there are too independent or too aloof or too protective. They want an affectionate cuddly dog who would except strangers and easy to train. I say if you don't like the traits of the original Chow, DON'T GET ONE!

 

[Danegirl2208]

Err...if DA was somehow magically removed, it WOULD be for everyone

er...I think you missed my point...pit bull owners do not want these dogs easier to manage. If you want a dog friendly dog that you can take to the dog park and such.... fine...get a lab. There is certainly nothing wrong with that.

Don't all pit bull owners swear up and down that they're the best family pets ever? Great with kids, kind and gentle, they've only got one flaw in my eyes. Remove that, and you just might have a fabulous pet instead of a dangerous one in the hands of the wrong person.

Fabulous pet? What defines that? I am sorry but that statement was a little ignorent. A "good" pet is a matter of personal opinion. A "fabulous pet" in your eyes may not be a "fabolous pet" in someone elses eyes. DA is a fault in YOUR eyes. And plenty of other people as well (which is perfectly fine). But not for pit bull owners, it is an accepted part of the breed and they deal with it on a daily baisis....as Lindsay said, it's just a minor inconvenience.

And that last statement of yours....taking away DA will somehow make these dogs saints? lol...I am sorry to say but DA is not what is hurting this breed. Lets say we woke up tomorrow and DA was "magically" gone from these dogs and no side effects came from it (yeah right )...now you can take "rex" your big brown pit bull to the dog park..... whoopty doo..... BUT WAIT....that won't stop the countless numbers of pit bull stories we hear on a daily basis....and that won't stop irresponsible breeders from breeding unsound dogs will it? So at the end of the day what positive thing came from it?

There are bigger issues that owners and breeders need to be focusing on rather than a trait that is perfectly acceptable and seen in MANY breeds. Don't like it...don't own the breed...simple as that.

 

[Squishy22]

Don't attack me in "your thread" then and maybe you'll get a better response. You can't even have an open minded conversation without attempting to tell someone else what they do or don't know?

If you'll notice I used the word "magically" while demonstrating my knowledge of the breed. I know plenty about the animal. Your thread opened my eyes to the fact that these so called responsible pit bull owners actually encourage their dogs to lunge at each other at competitions? To me that's just completely approving and condoning of what the dogs were originally bred for: dog fighting.

On top of that, doesn't intentionally bringing a DA dog around other dogs...aggravate the animals intentionally? A dog that is lunging at another dog with the intention of hurting it, isn't a happy dog.

Hearing that "this dog should keep this undesirable trait just because it shouldn't be suitable for most owners" is just ...wow... I can't believe people say things like that.

Who said that they are encouraged to lunge after other dogs? I do not believe that is so. I think you have proven that you really dont know squat about DA or this breed. Any person who really understands this breed will disagree with everything you have said. I wish some people will educate themselves. DA is not encouraged, it is MANAGED. Someone with a lot more experience in this breed has stated in this thread that taking away their drive and DA will hinder their ability to work. That doesnt sound like a good thing at all since this is a WORKING breed.

Unlike most breeds, APBTs actually enjoy going after other dogs. I bet they are quite happy and very excited. . Just because a dog is DA doesnt mean they should not participate in dog shows. Thats like saying since my dog is DA that I shouldnt take him out of my house since he could possibly come across another dog outside of my fence.

 

[Bahamutt99]

As for my personal take, I'd support liability insurance, sterilization for those without breeding licenses, and some kind of special permit for ownership akin to registration.

Cool! You support that for Chi owners like the ones we lived next door to, too? After all, my dogs are just dog-aggressive. A lot of those little dogs are both people- and dog-aggressive. (No offense to Laurelin or anybody. Just to the owners of aggro tinker toys that think it's okay for them to act that way.)

I find it a bit ironic that your siggy says best friends come in all shapes and sizes. But yet you seem to have a problem with my best friends.

 

[Danegirl2208]

I find it a bit ironic that your siggy says best friends come in all shapes and sizes. But yet you seem to have a problem with my best friends.

I love me some priest :hail:.....Terra and Loki are looking stunning as well Lindsay!

 

[Saje]

Cool! You support that for Chi owners like the ones we lived next door to, too? After all, my dogs are just dog-aggressive. A lot of those little dogs are both people- and dog-aggressive. (No offense to Laurelin or anybody. Just to the owners of aggro tinker toys that think it's okay for them to act that way.)

I hate that! Nanook HATES to be approached on leash and let people let their little dogs come running over, off-leash or on those flexi things. And then they say "Oh don't worry. She's friendly." So???!!! And no recall at all. /rant And I know there are tons of great little dog owners. I love the little guys. Just wish there were more good owner.s

 

[Chewbecca]

Don't attack me in "your thread" then and maybe you'll get a better response. You can't even have an open minded conversation without attempting to tell someone else what they do or don't know?

If you'll notice I used the word "magically" while demonstrating my knowledge of the breed. I know plenty about the animal. Your thread opened my eyes to the fact that these so called responsible pit bull owners actually encourage their dogs to lunge at each other at competitions? To me that's just completely approving and condoning of what the dogs were originally bred for: dog fighting.

On top of that, doesn't intentionally bringing a DA dog around other dogs...aggravate the animals intentionally? A dog that is lunging at another dog with the intention of hurting it, isn't a happy dog.

Hearing that "this dog should keep this undesirable trait just because it shouldn't be suitable for most owners" is just ...wow... I can't believe people say things like that.

Uh, NO.
NEVER ONCE did I say that dogs lunging at one another is ENCOURAGED at an ADBA show.
That's what you WANTED to read/hear/interpret.
MY GOD. It's not like they're 2 ft. from each other and trying to get one another.
Oh, and as for your "Doesn't intentionally bringing a DA dog around other dogs...aggravate the animals intentionally?" comment, I'll have you know, ALL those dogs live HAPPILY with other dogs.
That's right. ALL those dogs in the ring, in the pictures I took, live happily with other dogs in their homes, AND some even of the same gender.
IMAGINE THAT.

Sure, when the owners are not around the dogs may need to be separated, but imagine how those so-called irresponsible owners could happily manage these dogs around other dogs in their own home.
UH...if they were IRRESPONSIBLE owners, they wouldn't have more than one dog in their home and manage to control them properly.

I think you seem to forget that dogs are dogs and humans are humans.

And, my dear, I highly doubt you know what an irresponsible owner is.
Hell, the way those dogs acted is in no way worse than the way my neighbor's boxer acts whenever Ella and I walk by.
You want to know irresponsible owner? Come talk to the lady down the street who lets her shih-tzu run around off leash even though I've called AC on her 2 times. Talk to the other lady down the street from me with the springer spaniel who walks her dog off leash and lets him potty in everyone's yard
and charge at anyone walking down the street.

Don't attack you in "my" thread and maybe I'll get a better response?
How about you don't come into my thread insulting a breed you don't know the facts about? Huh? How's that?


And are you not reading what people are posting in this thread??? Uh, hahaha, sorry, silly question. Anyway, that "undesirable trait" that you keep speaking about, has already been explained to you, can be used and redirected to a sport and allow the dogs to excel in many other competitions.

 

[Chewbecca]

Gorgeous, gorgeous pics. What glass were you using?

Thanks!
My first 3 posts (and the first picture of my fourth post) were taken with my 50mm f1.8.
The rest were taken with the 55-200mm lens.

I'm ITCHING to get out and get more pictures!!! If it's sunny today, I WILL be heading out to get some nice pictures. THAT I PROMISE.