Illinois ADBA show pics (PIC HEAVY)

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Some more pics:

The judge looking at Bobby's teeth and checking him out.



Bronson getting ready to be checked out by the judge.



The judge getting ready to check out Bronson:



The judge checking out Bronson's mouth to make sure his mouth is correct, that is part of conformation judging.



***MORE, but notice how nicely behaved they are for the judge***
 

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The judge walking over to hand Bobby and owner his cup for winning champion of his class.



Bobby Boucher and his win!




Bronson and his second place ribbon for champion of his class.




And a picture of the littermates and their win.




***one more!***
 
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And a picture of the littermates and their win.
and LOOK! They aren't lunging and snarling at each other! *gasp* Sorry Chewbecca, had to do it.

I loved all the pictures!!! Very different from the dog shows I attend, but interesting all the same.
 

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Cool! You support that for Chi owners like the ones we lived next door to, too? After all, my dogs are just dog-aggressive. A lot of those little dogs are both people- and dog-aggressive. (No offense to Laurelin or anybody. Just to the owners of aggro tinker toys that think it's okay for them to act that way.)
Why apologize? I assumed you were talking about chihuahuas.
 
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That picture with the two pitties and the trophy proves that they are not constantly going after each other, and they look pretty **** happy to me!

My next door neighbor has this 10 pound maltese mix. Well, they let him run loose, and he came after reggin while he was tied out, and then he jumps back so reggin cant reach him. Teasing reggin out on his line. And then one day the dog bit my fiance when he came home from work one day.

I've had two chihuahuas. The one I have right now does not like people, and I have been working on her with it. Of course, she was produced by a BYB. The very reason why her temperament is not great. There are bad apples in every breed, and I dont think a chihuahua owner should act all innocent or brush it off like their breed is perfect. And I am a chihauhua owner myself. Just because they are small doesnt mean they cant hurt a child for instance.
 
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I like ADBA shows, but they do not seem to try to control their dog when there. Some of them want to show how ''hot'' their dog is, and judges except that and some count for it. However, I am quite sure if a non pit bull savvy person went there, they would have been put off by all the aggression.
That's the statement I commented about, how some pit owners think its okay to do things like this at a gathering of this nature. I didn't say that you, Chewbacca, said it, just that it was in this thread. Someone who went to a show and observed that behavior.

I like how people continue to insist that I "don't know the facts" when in this thread I've mentioned positive traits of the breed, mentioned how they are DA, and mentioned how it is a misconception that they are HA. Exactly what fact is it that I'm getting wrong?

As for the chihuahua comments, check my other posts around the board, I'm not a pro-chihuahua person. I think they have a great many negative traits and there are probably just as many (maybe more percentage wise) poor chihuahua owners than pit owners. The only difference here is that if a chihuahua with DA gets lose, it isn't much of a danger to anything but itself. Not to mention chihuahuas aren't inherently dog aggressive, they're just frequently poorly socialized and trained. They weren't bred to fight. Any dog with poor socialization and training can be a danger to small children. Not all breeds have an inherently dangerous trait.
 

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I like ADBA shows, but they do not seem to try to control their dog when there. Some of them want to show how ''hot'' their dog is, and judges except that and some count for it. However, I am quite sure if a non pit bull savvy person went there, they would have been put off by all the aggression.
ooh, I know I replied under this, but I was too busy replying differently.
I want you to know that the show I went to, other than the initial bringing the dogs out into the ring and them pulling and lunging, it's not like these dogs were T-rexes on the end of the leash. I saw lots of people walking their dogs around, whose dogs were WELL behaved.

Whether or not they're pulling in the ring, they're still under control by the handler. And other than the scuffles that occurred that day (and I should've said "scuffles", not "fights" because nothing happened, and no dog got a hold of the other, I was originally misinformed), the handlers had perfect control of their dogs.

And the dogs who did pull and lunge initially, it's not like they did that everytime they were around another dog. They did that because, yes, they are DA, BUT, they were also in a ring with SEVERAL other dogs.


ETA: And, I shouldn't have to mention this, but I will: I have NEVER seen a group of dogs that were more lovey with people, than the dogs I saw at this show. EVERY person was their INSTANT best friend.
 

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I love how Bobby is looking at the trophy as the judge hands it over! LOL.......It's almost like "WOW.....shiny! and it's all mine baby!" ROFL

And also, I must have skimmed over the part where Bobby and Bronson are litter mates! I didn't know that! Cool :)
 

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i admit, i do wish that ADBA encouraged better ring manners. i much prefer the look of ADBA dogs, but... yeah. also, why do the handlers open the dog's mouths? why doesn't the judge do that?

i really like that deep red/liver color. what a stunning dog, bobby.
 

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i admit, i do wish that ADBA encouraged better ring manners. i much prefer the look of ADBA dogs, but... yeah. also, why do the handlers open the dog's mouths? why doesn't the judge do that?.
They do that in AKC too sometimes as far as the handlers showing the bite and not the judge.
 
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The only difference here is that if a chihuahua with DA gets lose, it isn't much of a danger to anything but itself. Not to mention chihuahuas aren't inherently dog aggressive, they're just frequently poorly socialized and trained. They weren't bred to fight. Any dog with poor socialization and training can be a danger to small children. Not all breeds have an inherently dangerous trait.
Again, these are working dogs. No, you're right, I don't want them watered down so that any JQP could own them. There are breeds out there that are suitable for people who like the dog park. I don't see why this one should have to be the same. As stated in a previous post, the drive these dogs possess is not only controllable, but it also serves them well in working venues. These dogs were bred to work and work hard, whether that's fighting in the pit, or doing something else.

Dog aggression -- is this the trait you're referring to as inherently dangerous? -- is in ALL breeds. It is a natural part of canine behavior. If you are now suggesting that our breed is a bad one because they are strong enough to follow through with it, that's tunnel vision.

So. Just for discussion's sake, let's take a look at some of the different breeds' standards with regard to temperament. You can decide for yourself which breeds are too big and strong to be allowed to be aggressive.

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"Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog." (American Pit Bull Terrier)

"An aggressive or belligerent attitude towards other dogs should not be faulted." (This is in the standard for the Rottweiler and Doberman)

"Aggressive toward other dogs." (Akita)

"It is also by nature watchful of other dogs and may, on its own territory, react aggressively to intruding dogs." (Akbash)

"spirited, alert, courageous, and self-confident, with the natural aggressiveness of a ratter and hedge hunter; as a companion, friendly and affectionate. Faults: Shyness or aggressiveness toward people [not other dogs]." (Australian Terrier)

"...full of fire..." (Bull Terrier)

"Alert, with terrier-like qualities." (Chihuahua)

"...very suspicious of strange people or dogs." (Causasian Ovcharka)

"...clever, lively and courageous to the point of rashness..." (Dachshund)

"There is a heedless, reckless pluck about the Irish Terrier which is characteristic, and which, coupled with the headlong dash, blind to all consequences, with which he rushes at his adversary, has earned for the breed the proud epithet of 'Daredevil.'" (Irish Terrier)

"...by nature, watchful of other dogs and may, on their own territory, react aggressively to intruding dogs." (Jindo)

"...an instinctive wariness of strange dogs..." (Kangal)

"...can be aggressive toward other dogs, especially of the same sex." (New Guinea Singing Dog)

"...aggressive with other dogs." (Presa)

"At times aggressive toward other dogs..." (Shiba Inu)

"...on the tip-toe of expectation at the slightest provocation." (Wire Fox Terrier)

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I didn't look at every standard, so undoubtedly there are others. Actually, many standards don't even specify what reaction is appropriate when faced with another dog.
 
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That's the statement I commented about, how some pit owners think its okay to do things like this at a gathering of this nature. I didn't say that you, Chewbacca, said it, just that it was in this thread. Someone who went to a show and observed that behavior.

I like how people continue to insist that I "don't know the facts" when in this thread I've mentioned positive traits of the breed, mentioned how they are DA, and mentioned how it is a misconception that they are HA. Exactly what fact is it that I'm getting wrong?

As for the chihuahua comments, check my other posts around the board, I'm not a pro-chihuahua person. I think they have a great many negative traits and there are probably just as many (maybe more percentage wise) poor chihuahua owners than pit owners. The only difference here is that if a chihuahua with DA gets lose, it isn't much of a danger to anything but itself. Not to mention chihuahuas aren't inherently dog aggressive, they're just frequently poorly socialized and trained. They weren't bred to fight. Any dog with poor socialization and training can be a danger to small children. Not all breeds have an inherently dangerous trait.
You're not pro-chihuahua, but you're a chi owner? That doesnt sound right to me for some reason. I loved every breed I have owned, whether they had a bad temperament or not. Their bad temperament comes from some of the idiots who unknowingly breed them that way. BYBs. With my chi, she was very much socialized. All my dogs are. Her bad temperament comes from her poor breeding. She is timid and scared of people, making her become aggressive when someone gets too close to her.

I've noticed a lot of toy dogs are HA, but for some reason people like to put the spot light on the infamous chihuahua. My moms pug would rip you a new one like you wouldn't believe... she comes from a puppy mill. I dont think people should be pointing out ANY breed.

Back on track.... I've never been to a show, but I really doubt they try to make their dogs lunge at each other. I think someone is confusing showing off their drive with showing off their DA, perhaps.
 

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UKC, too. I've never had a judge yet stick their hands in my dog's mouth.
It can really go either way from what I see. I'd wager most the time, though, the handler shows the bite from the shows I've been to.

I've noticed a lot of toy dogs are HA, but for some reason people like to put the spot light on the infamous chihuahua. My moms pug would rip you a new one like you wouldn't believe... she comes from a puppy mill. I dont think people should be pointing out ANY breed.
I just feel it's important to note that no toy breed I can think of is supposed to have HA in part of its temperament. Since most breeds are supposed to be companions its a bit counter-productive to have a companion breed that hates people...
 
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Again, these are working dogs. No, you're right, I don't want them watered down so that any JQP could own them. There are breeds out there that are suitable for people who like the dog park. I don't see why this one should have to be the same. As stated in a previous post, the drive these dogs possess is not only controllable, but it also serves them well in working venues. These dogs were bred to work and work hard, whether that's fighting in the pit, or doing something else.

Dog aggression -- is this the trait you're referring to as inherently dangerous? -- is in ALL breeds. It is a natural part of canine behavior. If you are now suggesting that our breed is a bad one because they are strong enough to follow through with it, that's tunnel vision.

So. Just for discussion's sake, let's take a look at some of the different breeds' standards with regard to temperament. You can decide for yourself which breeds are too big and strong to be allowed to be aggressive.

~~~~~~

"Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog." (American Pit Bull Terrier)

"An aggressive or belligerent attitude towards other dogs should not be faulted." (This is in the standard for the Rottweiler and Doberman)

"Aggressive toward other dogs." (Akita)

"It is also by nature watchful of other dogs and may, on its own territory, react aggressively to intruding dogs." (Akbash)

"spirited, alert, courageous, and self-confident, with the natural aggressiveness of a ratter and hedge hunter; as a companion, friendly and affectionate. Faults: Shyness or aggressiveness toward people [not other dogs]." (Australian Terrier)

"...full of fire..." (Bull Terrier)

"Alert, with terrier-like qualities." (Chihuahua)

"...very suspicious of strange people or dogs." (Causasian Ovcharka)

"...clever, lively and courageous to the point of rashness..." (Dachshund)

"There is a heedless, reckless pluck about the Irish Terrier which is characteristic, and which, coupled with the headlong dash, blind to all consequences, with which he rushes at his adversary, has earned for the breed the proud epithet of 'Daredevil.'" (Irish Terrier)

"...by nature, watchful of other dogs and may, on their own territory, react aggressively to intruding dogs." (Jindo)

"...an instinctive wariness of strange dogs..." (Kangal)

"...can be aggressive toward other dogs, especially of the same sex." (New Guinea Singing Dog)

"...aggressive with other dogs." (Presa)

"At times aggressive toward other dogs..." (Shiba Inu)

"...on the tip-toe of expectation at the slightest provocation." (Wire Fox Terrier)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I didn't look at every standard, so undoubtedly there are others. Actually, many standards don't even specify what reaction is appropriate when faced with another dog.
Great post. APBT is definitely not alone here....
 
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It can really go either way from what I see. I'd wager most the time, though, the handler shows the bite from the shows I've been to.



I just feel it's important to note that no toy breed I can think of is supposed to have HA in part of its temperament. Since most breeds are supposed to be companions its a bit counter-productive to have a companion breed that hates people...
Exactly. These breeds are not supposed to be that way. Irresponsible breeders are ruining these loving breeds. I've met a few properly bred toys, and they were huge lovers. In the way pitties love people. Very sweet dogs to everyone they come across. Of course there are also the owners who do not socialize...
 

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