If Martin Richling and Ceaser Milan don't know how to train dogs...

[Purdue#1]

because he can train dogs the right way. our older dog was never "obedience trained". she knew that come meant come, she knew to stay on her own property and she knew that Guard dog and get it meant there was something on her territory that she better run off. as far as heeling and sits, downs etc. we never needed to teach her that. we never even put a leash on her. we never used food or treats to teach her. she just knew what was expected of her. her and the cats slept in her doghouse together. sadly she died of breast cancer 2 years ago.

 

[blue]

Again I feel Dober was correct in her assessment of you.

 

[Zoom]

I just wonder how different these threads would be right now if a different trainer had been the first to email Purdue back. Because that was her entire basis on picking Richling. Not reputation, not word of mouth...simply the fact that he emailed her back before anyone else.

WTG.

 

[Purdue#1]

no. that was the first step. the next step was going and seeing how good his dogs really are and me and my dad were both amazed.

 

[blue]

Again that just makes Dobers assessment of you and now your dad more than likely correct.

 

[dr2little]

I just wonder how different these threads would be right now if a different trainer had been the first to email Purdue back. Because that was her entire basis on picking Richling. Not reputation, not word of mouth...simply the fact that he emailed her back before anyone else.

WTG.

I agree Zoom. I wish that things had gone differently for Purdue, his/her dad and most of all their dog. I don't know of anyone who, when shown the amazing results of +R would ever choose to go with so poor an alternative.

I have to say it again, I have NEVER met a dog that I can't find a motivator great enough to work with. The arguement for +P with such alien creatures is just beyond ridiculous. If it has a functioning brain, it can be trained with +R....PERIOD!

 

[Doberluv]

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don't bother to revive me

Aussie Red. You slay me. I laughed so hard when I saw that, I almost sprayed cranberry juice all over my monitor.

I would have Doc or Dober train my dogs. If Cesar or Mr Richling where the only dog trainers available, I would not use them, even if I needed my dog for Shutz or security work.

A-w-w-w. That was nice Blue.

I'd rather have the most unruly, untrained dog than have Richling get any closer to my dogs than Detroit.

thump thump thump
Now you have gone and done it Doc lol I may have to just get up off the gurney and fire my big mouth off if people can not address an issue with some respect towards Carrie and yourself. Consider this my verbal on this one !!!!!

Glad you decided to join us again and get up off the gurney. Thank you velly much.

Come and see my "tortured" dogs in training. Sly is very tortured when he jumps off of all 4s when i praise him.

If I had been hit with a stave, jerked and otherwise punished even one time....in association with you or with the tasks being worked on, I'd be ecstatic too when I heard praise. I would sing from the roof-tops, "Yippppeeeee skipppeeeee. This time I'm not getting the stave across my back side!" You don't know behavior. You don't know what you're looking at. I'm sorry, but you really shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. But I guess we have to let you.

Other members and I wrote countless posts to try to explain how you can get your dog to do things without using these kinds of aversives. My posts are like books, which I'm sure is tedious. But I tried. You clamped your mind closed on your very first thread, first post so tightly that even a microscopic crack in a slab of marble would let more in than you ever have. You listen to no one. You thank no one for trying. You think you know it all and yet you know nothing. You will be sorry one day.

And yes, when I think of the bewilderment and fear, pain and confusion your dog must be going through from being treated the way you described in past posts, my opinion is that he would be better off dead than that. I always think dogs who are suffering from illness or injury of any kind, that has no end in sight...are better off euthanized.

Respect? Don't even bother with that. I don't need or care for your brand of respect.

 

[Zoom]

no. that was the first step. the next step was going and seeing how good his dogs really are and me and my dad were both amazed.

And did you go "wow, ok cool, but let me just get a second opinion with a different guy just to make sure this guy is alone in his glory?" No. You said "Sign me up!"

 

[DoggieDog]

Hello Everyone: New to the forum.

I will say that the Louisville dog community is a buzz about the conversations that have been going on about Mr. Richling.

I have been an active member with animal organizations in Louisville for over 20 years. Mr. Richling is considered a controversial figure in the animal community in Louisville, and has been ever since he started training in Louisville.

Mr. Richling has the reputation of being a brash, arrogant, abrasive, know it all, who is a complete lunatic. Reading thru these forums, I see that his reputation procedes him.

I will say for every positive comment you find about Mr. Richling you will find at least 10 people that have something negative to say. Does his training methods work? Maybe & Maybe not !! I guess it depends upon your definition of working. I do know that alot of people have quit his classes because they can't handle him as a person.

I think if you have to use a stave under any circumstances no matter how soft or hard you use it on an dog and call it training, then yes you are going to have a lot of people raise a lot of questions. This is extremely old school

I see that Mr. Richling keeps asking his methods might be controversial but do they work? If you have to hit a dog with a stave or give a dog a hard correction with a prong collar in order to get to the promise land of having your dog trained then it excessively too much.

I ask this question, if the high road & low road both lead to the same destination which one would you take?

 

[Saje]

good to hear that not everyone in your community is smitten!

 

[drmom777]

DoggieDog, welcome to Chaz. My brother in law went to the U of L.

 

[Doberluv]

Welcome Doggie to the forum....so glad you're here.

Well...this is the road I travel.

If a dog fails at "complying," then it is the trainer's fault. He did not set the dog up for success. We have absolute control over a dog's environment. The environment is what the dog lives in, what he breathes in, what he TAKES in. I have trained enough dogs to know that when there is an incorrect response, it is because I have failed. I have asked more of the dog than he was ready for or I have put him into a level of stress or distractions in the hierarchy of distractions which he has not progressed to. In other words, he hasn't mastered a previous level. It's like striking a child for not walking when he hasn't learned to crawl yet.

People think that because a dog gives a few correct responses or obeys, that he "knows" and now when he doesn't, he's being "bad" or "stubborn." Not so. There has not been enough reinforcements along the way to be sure that he is not still guessing. Dogs are guessing for a long time until they've sifted out all the incidental behvaviors that might be happening at the same time as the target behavior. Motivators may be weak. It's not the dog's fault.

If my dog is not paying attention and is distracted, it is my fault. I have failed to utilize a sufficient motivator for my dog. I have let something go on which is causing stress because that WILL get a dog's attention off of me. Dogs use calming signals when they're stressed. And those signals are very often things like looking away, sniffing the ground, looking distracted, turning away. I would NEVER punish a dog who is already trying to tell me that he is stressed or bored.

Anyhow....long story short: training a dog is OUR problem. It's a human thing to do to a dog. It is immoral to mistreat another species just because we can. It is our moral duty to learn and understand dogs and their culture and learn the most humane training methods and the methods that dogs can understand and relate to...methods which are proven to be just that.

 

[DoggieDog]

I have had the opportunity to speak to Mr. Richling on several occasions, and have friends that have been in & out of his class. If anyone every gets the opportunity to speak to him, get ready to have his resume & how great he is constantly thrown up in your face.

 

[dr2little]

Hello Everyone: New to the forum.

I will say that the Louisville dog community is a buzz about the conversations that have been going on about Mr. Richling.

I have been an active member with animal organizations in Louisville for over 20 years. Mr. Richling is considered a controversial figure in the animal community in Louisville, and has been ever since he started training in Louisville.

Mr. Richling has the reputation of being a brash, arrogant, abrasive, know it all, who is a complete lunatic. Reading thru these forums, I see that his reputation procedes him.

I will say for every positive comment you find about Mr. Richling you will find at least 10 people that have something negative to say. Does his training methods work? Maybe & Maybe not !! I guess it depends upon your definition of working. I do know that alot of people have quit his classes because they can't handle him as a person.

I think if you have to use a stave under any circumstances no matter how soft or hard you use it on an dog and call it training, then yes you are going to have a lot of people raise a lot of questions. This is extremely old school

I see that Mr. Richling keeps asking his methods might be controversial but do they work? If you have to hit a dog with a stave or give a dog a hard correction with a prong collar in order to get to the promise land of having your dog trained then it excessively too much.

I ask this question, if the high road & low road both lead to the same destination which one would you take?

:hail: :hail: :hail: My point exactly, thanks DoggieDog for your input. We have "trainers"....actually, now only one "trainer" here in my city with a schtick similar to Mr. R's. The others have gone the way of the Mr. T. Rex, because the evidence against them was simply too heavy for these little creeps to carry.

Guys like this really disgust me. Unfortunately somehow they continue to find people gullable enough to buy into their garbage or simply inexperienced to the point of allowing them control. I'll just never understand what kind of dialogue it takes before a person would allow another human being to lay a hand on their dog. I swear, someone like that would be in the ER having a stave surgically removed if he ever tried it with one of mine.

It's only a matter of time until Kharma catches up with him too.

God I wish I was referring to our Renee's Fila Kharma, she'd catch up much more swiftly and would carry a considerable WALLUP!!!

 

[Doberluv]

God I wish I was referring to our Renee's Fila Kharma, she'd catch up much more swiftly and would carry a considerable WALLUP!!!

LOL. That's a goodie!!!

Yup....how anyone can say they love dogs in one breath and then hit, half drown, choke, hang, jerk in the very same breath is beyond comprehension. They can't possibly love dogs. It's an ego thing or some sick behavior.

 

[MoonStr80]

As far as I can remember when I trained Misty she wasn't a handful I used a lot of verison demonstrate if you use to many words and action it will only confuse the dog. Dogs ONLY understand cues when they are taught what each cue means like etc; (wait, stay, sit, no, go, bathroom, outside)

I never use any kind of harsh punishment. When you use words always use it firm and clear so the dog understands what you're getting at. Dogs only understand words cues

I never had to use a e-collar, pinch collar, choke collar

For a example; the first time I taught Misty to sit I lay my hand on her butt gently press down as I'm doing this I give treat, each time I do this she understands "Ahh this is what I do to sit" then I use a cue word "sit"

I never EVER threat, intimidate, scold I don't want my dog to be afraid of me, I want my dog to trust me!

Watching that video with the doberman made me quiver the man was confusing the dog with no praise the dog seemed to be very fearful and disoriented.

For last few days reading about Martin Richling I felt like wanting to jump out of my computer and whip him with a stick like southern slave owners used to do with african americans and how they cut off there feet if they ran away

On to The Dog Whisperer lets talk about that name the orginal dog whisperer is a trainer name Paul Owens in fact Cesar Millan took his tilte name and made himselve look famous

Like Cheetah said she watches it b/c of entertainment even though I do not agree what Cesar Millan does. I have tried it on Misty and what I got back was a good hard nip! So I backed off threw away the book along with trying his methods

I will be sure to warn many people about The so-called Dog Whisperer & the stick beater Martin Richling they will know about you

 

[Renee750il]

It's only a matter of time until Kharma catches up with him too.

God I wish I was referring to our Renee's Fila Kharma, she'd catch up much more swiftly and would carry a considerable WALLUP!!!

LOL! She carries a grudge, too - my Kharma, that is . . . Doc, I hope you get to see a Fila disarm someone with a stick/weapon someday. It's like a ballet - only with teeth. I saw Buffy do it when she was 9 months old. Maybe you can catch MolosserStock sometime; they do the Fila TTs there sometimes - and they're exactly opposite from a normal TT.

 

[Doberluv]

Nice post MoonStr.

 

[Aussie Red]

I went to Richlings website and looked at the pics he posted. Now having ACD's for as many years as I have and owning one strong willed , mean stubborn mule headed on that I do I have not had to beat him up to get him to do tricks and learn manners. I will say this about those photos. There is an ACD pictured and in each picture his ears are laid back. This is a very strong sign of disapproval in this breed. It signifies a couple of things one someone is about to be bitten and two he is fearful. I also did not notice any eagerness in the photos I saw dogs forcefully being made to do the things they are doing. I did not see happy dogs.

 

[Purdue#1]

of course i signed up. his dogs were the best dogs i had seen in my life.

And my dog is not abused. i don't sit there an beat him to death with a stick until he bleeds. no one does. most if not all of the time a verbal no or a small leash pop gets my dogs back towhat they need to do.