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My neighbor's lost TWO dogs from letting them roam free and they still let their remaining dogs roam :(

You're kidding! **bangs head against the wall and then start to bawl** WTF is wrong with people.

We have a responsibility to our animals, to keep them not only stimulated and happy but SAFE. Obviously we cannot ensure their safety every minute of every day 100% any more than we could ensure our own safety to that extent, but come on! That is just ridiculous!
 

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I will have that awful throat cut in my mind for the rest of the day, i would have gone a much less painful way but hopefully the animal was in too much shock and pain to ever know the difference. THe now your here and now your not method imo is preferable.
I do apologize for that upsetting you. I actually tried to go back and edit to put a "graphic content warning" but my time had expired and I can no longer edit the post.

As for "now you're here/now you're not", if I carried a gun, I would have shot it. I suppose I could have snapped it's neck but didn't think of it at the time. For what it's worth, it was over rather quickly for the cat. I still carry it.

I think I'm through with this thread. Everything I have to say about it has been said.
 
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Because we don't have the means to keep them all indoors. Atleast not at this time, We do have plans to move, waiting for me to finish school and have a higher paying job so we can move out to the country..Where we would built off a section of the yard connecting to a room in the house that would be the "Cat room" and the outdoor cat yard would have special fencing. But right now, we are saving up money for said larger property.

We are really busy right now, I am working and going to school..and everyone else is just working..And so on my cleaning days..I prefer cleaning our 5 cat boxes over the possible 10 or more I would clean if they were inside all day.

Trust me, my cats ARE inside all day most of the time, but they go out to potty and for little play sessions. As I have clarified. I do NOT consider my cats outdoor cats, cause they are NOT. They are indoor cats...but I don't put the ONLY at the end of indoor like I do for 8 of my cats.

We kept them all in the first couple of months we lived here..but it was extremely stressful on them..Cats can be very territorial even with other cats that live with them. Cat box cleaning was HORRID! It works out really well with them having access to outside to do their business..and just to get away from each other sometimes.
 
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I have also been in a situation where my dogs killed a cat. It was a beautiful grey and white female, who I begged my neighbors to keep inside. She had no fear of anything, and would walk right up to people, dogs, whatever. She came under our gate over 10 years ago, and spat at one of our dogs who had come over to sniff her. The first dog reacted, and the second dog ran over to help. They had that poor cat strung up between them like a tug toy, and she lived about 10 seconds after we were able to get both the dogs off her. She died under our pool deck, no doubt in tremendous pain.

To add insult to injury, the neighbors couldn't even bury their cat. She had to be taken and have her head chopped off to test for rabies, since she chomped down on my forearm during the fracas. Their daughter was distraught, and sobingly asked her mom if they could sue us for their cat coming in our yard and getting itself killed.

You know, I would feel much better about this whole thing if even one indoor/outdoor cat owner would say "Yes, my cat(s) has caused damage to somebody's property one time. I rectified the situation by paying for the damage in full and keeping the animal in question contained after that." That shows more responsibility to me than someone who insists there has never once been a problem, that it does not happen, no way no how. Because if I was your neighbor, you might not know that I have a problem with your cat showing up outside my window and pissing off my dogs. I'm not going to catch the cat and read its tags (or take it to be scanned for a chip since I haven't seen a loose cat yet with tags). Your cat just wouldn't come home one day.

You know, I'm wondering if homeowners' insurance covers damages caused by roaming kittehs. I mean the cat owner's homeowners insurance. It'd be interesting to know if a disgruntled neighbor has ever tried to file a claim on things like that.

RIP to all the past and future mangled, disemboweled, shredded, squashed kitties whose owner thought it would be cruel to keep them inside. Let them take comfort in the fact that they've scratched my car paint, opened my trash bags, pooped in my sandbox, pissed off my dogs, and otherwise made a general nuisance of themselves before they went. Of course, in most cases, their owner had no clue what they did, just went on believing that because they didn't see it, and nobody told them about it, that it didn't happen. Peh.
 

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Because we don't have the means to keep them all indoors. Atleast not at this time, We do have plans to move, waiting for me to finish school and have a higher paying job so we can move out to the country..Where we would built off a section of the yard connecting to a room in the house that would be the "Cat room" and the outdoor cat yard would have special fencing. But right now, we are saving up money for said larger property.
Thats great.. but why get more than you can handle at this time. Why not wait till you move then get more?

We are really busy right now, I am working and going to school..and everyone else is just working..And so on my cleaning days..I prefer cleaning our 5 cat boxes over the possible 10 or more I would clean if they were inside all day.
so where are they going? Even if the cats are all going in your yard... the smell must be overwhelming in the summer. That is also not hygenic if you are not cleaning up your yard. Though I would be very very surprised if the cats are ONLY doing their business in your yard. Cats don't like dirty litter areas... if you aren't cleaning your yard then the cats (at least some of them) are likely going elsewhere.

Trust me, my cats ARE inside all day most of the time, but they go out to potty and for little play sessions. As I have clarified. I do NOT consider my cats outdoor cats, cause they are NOT. They are indoor cats...but I don't put the ONLY at the end of indoor like I do for 8 of my cats.
I don't see how being and all outdoor cat (who has those anyway.. really thats not a pet) has much to do with this discussion. We are not talking barn cats or feral cats... we are talking about house pets who are allowed to roam unsupervised.

We kept them all in the first couple of months we lived here..but it was extremely stressful on them..Cats can be very territorial even with other cats that live with them. Cat box cleaning was HORRID! It works out really well with them having access to outside to do their business..and just to get away from each other sometimes.
Once again.. why get so many? Doesn't sound like an ideal situation.
 
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What makes you think we can't handle them? Just because they go outside to potty rather than in a litter box? That has nothing to do with handle. We don't go out and get kittens from ads and "breeders". Our cats came to us in many different ways, all unplanned (Except for the planned foster kittens, it was just unplanned that we kept them). Every other cat foster/rescue involved person does the same thing I do.

so where are they going? Even if the cats are all going in your yard... the smell must be overwhelming in the summer. That is also not hygenic if you are not cleaning up your yard. Though I would be very very surprised if the cats are ONLY doing their business in your yard. Cats don't like dirty litter areas... if you aren't cleaning your yard then the cats (at least some of them) are likely going elsewhere.
I have mentioned previously that we do weekly yard cleaning. They have designated flower beds and sand boxes outside for their use. What made you think I don't clean my yard? I have 10 dogs crapping in the yard too...obviously we clean our yard a lot. (We do have gardeners too, but they don't do flowerbed maintenance.)

I don't see how being and all outdoor cat (who has those anyway.. really thats not a pet) has much to do with this discussion. We are not talking barn cats or feral cats... we are talking about house pets who are allowed to roam unsupervised.
You would be surprised how people have "outdoor" cats. if we are not counting ferals, or inside only cats..then I have 11 cats who do go outside a couple times a day..they don't ROAM lol. I know where they go. They go next door to my neighor's yard to do a bit of sunbathing (And this is my cat loving neighbor with 11 cats of their own). They hang out on the porch. They go in the alley..hang out on the roof. But the majority of the time, they are inside the house. How do I know? because I LIVE in this house and I see where my cats hang out at. Sure, I don't know for sure what they do when I am not home. Sure, they probably do spray on people's tired (How does anyone even notice that? lol). Obviously my neighbors would tell me if they were scratching up something of theirs. Not too many people around here even have dogs, most people are here have cats..Who yes, are indoor/outdoor. ALL but a couple neighbor's don't have a cat..or atleast one that goes outside. My neighorhood is INFESTED (hmm..maybe not the best word) with cats. Ferals, strays, the hoarder byb down the street, the people at the corner who always have a pregnant cat. Cats are just NOT a concern in this neighborhood.

why get so many?
We don't go out and get cute little kittens people are giving away. I thought people knew this already, but we foster and rescue cats. We have been doing it for so many years now. They come to us in many ways...none are planned "Oh I think I will go and get a kitten today"..that is not how it works.
 
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I prefer cleaning our 5 cat boxes over the possible 10 or more I would clean if they were inside all day.
So you let your cats outside to potty elsewhere because you don't like cleaning litter boxes? What did you think would happen when you got so many cats? Do you realize how that sounds? Lots of people can't handle a high amount of dogs/cats. It's a pet owners job to draw the line at how many animals they can realistically handle before it starts getting to be too much of a workload for them.

I really wanted a puppy from a breeding this year. I don't have my fence and kennel runs up, and am at my limit for how many animals I can care for at this time. I had to step away from getting that puppy. I could have easily said that we should put our cat outside and free up his room -- he has his own room since two of our dogs want to eat him -- for another dog. That would have been an irresponsible me being selfish at my pets' expense.

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We handle our animals just find thank you very much. Unless someone has stepped foot into my shoes, or been to my house and KNOW me..you can't realistically judge someone over the internet, now can you?
 
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We don't go out and get cute little kittens people are giving away. I thought people knew this already, but we foster and rescue cats. We have been doing it for so many years now. They come to us in many ways...none are planned "Oh I think I will go and get a kitten today"..that is not how it works.
But you still have the option to say "No, I'm at my limit. I can't clean more than 5 litter boxes, and I'm busy with stuff, so this is not a good time for me." You can't save them all, but if you put sensible limits on yourself, you could do better by the ones you already have.
 
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We handle our animals just find thank you very much. Unless someone has stepped foot into my shoes, or been to my house and KNOW me..you can't realistically judge someone over the internet, now can you?
Only based on what you tell us. And what you're saying is that you let your cats out to potty elsewhere because you don't like cleaning litter boxes. And that your cats are fosters, so that makes it okay.
 
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Actually..none of our current cats are fosters. I don't let foster cats outside, because they are not "my" cats.

And we are at our limit right now. 23. I have turned down many kittens the last few months. I don't take every cat/kitten that comes my way. So that is another thing you are judging me on. If I took every kitten that came my way, we would have well over 200 cats right now.

And actually, I have never been a busy person until recently. I was a "stay at home pet mom" until January 12th. And i manage just fine by the way. I never had much of a social life. Luckily my friends are animal people.
 

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We handle our animals just find thank you very much. Unless someone has stepped foot into my shoes, or been to my house and KNOW me..you can't realistically judge someone over the internet, now can you?
Because you say you can't clean 10 litter boxes a day... Because you claim you can't keep them all inside, because you claim that you cats need to get away from each other.

That is a few reasons why.

I know you don't get them as kittens. But that shouldn't make you any less accountable for your cats.
 

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I should hope you dont' take every animal offered.. if I did I would have dozens of horses, and hundreds of dogs..

How you pick them still isn't relevant.
 
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They are all altered. They are all fed (And not some crappy food). They receive vet care. They have shelter. They are inside the majority of the time, and go outside to potty. Never locked outside. They are clean. They are brushed and well groomed. They are loved.

They need space away from each other is a reason? If there are only 2 cats in a home..They need space away from each other every now and then. Just like people don't want to be with each other all day.

That is what I consider taking good care of my cats. Because certain people disagree with cats going outside unsupervised, doesn't mean because my cats go outside..yes to crap, that I can't properly handle my cats.
 

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Put aside whether it's right or not for cats to go outside, it's just like letting your dog go out and crap in your neighbor's front yard.

You just don't do it.
 
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That isn't really relevant is it Lizmo?

Letting a cat go outside and crap in MY OWN yard, is not like letting my dog out to crap in someone elses front yard.

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You stated they are unsupervised outside. You also stated they go into your neighbor's front lawn.

Point proven.
 
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Actually, i said they go into my neighbors BACK yard. I have also stated, she has 11 of her own cats who are indoor/outdoor. And we are very close neighbors. So..point NOT proven.
 

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