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Yeah, but everyone is saying that any cat who is allowed outside is GOING to do this. And that is not true. You are saying anyone who lets their cats outside could careless about them, they are not "pets". You are saying people who let their cats outside don't care about neighbors. It is JUDGING other people, and its WRONG.
Any cat could do those things. Its like dogs.. I am sure some could roam and not pee on people's things, not bother people or other animals etc etc. So does that mean if people have dogs who they think never cause a problem are OK to run loose?
How are people going to know whose cat does stuff unless they see it?
How are people going to know whose cat does stuff unless they see it?
Exactly. But..........if you put your cat outside at 7am, check on him at 10 am and he's in your yard, and bring him in at 5 that doesn't mean that because you saw him in your yard once or twice throughout the day doesn't mean he has stayed there. And if you put your cat out and then leave for the day, then you cannot honestly say with 100% accuracy that your cat never leaves your yard.
So what does putting a cat outside responsibly mean? It means that you are a) either with your cat outside and keeping an eye on him and/or b) your cat is on some type of restrain that physically prevents him from wandering off your property. Anything else is no different that me leaving my dog on my front porch when I drive off in the morning and him being there when I pull up in the evening. Just because he "still in the same spot", doesn't mean that he has truly stayed there all day.
Boy, sometimes I wish I wore rose-colored glasses. My life would be all hunky-dory, wouldn't it....................
So what does putting a cat outside responsibly mean? It means that you are a) either with your cat outside and keeping an eye on him and/or b) your cat is on some type of restrain that physically prevents him from wandering off your property. Anything else is no different that me leaving my dog on my front porch when I drive off in the morning and him being there when I pull up in the evening. Just because he "still in the same spot", doesn't mean that he has truly stayed there all day.
Boy, sometimes I wish I wore rose-colored glasses. My life would be all hunky-dory, wouldn't it....................
I don't mean YOU shadowface, I just mean people who have posted on this thread.
Yes, but as stated..I have a good relationship with my neighbors..and one of our main topics is cats. They would let me know if my cats did anything to their property, or if they were a nuisance. Just like if their cats, or dogs did something to my property..I would let them know.
Yes, but as stated..I have a good relationship with my neighbors..and one of our main topics is cats. They would let me know if my cats did anything to their property, or if they were a nuisance. Just like if their cats, or dogs did something to my property..I would let them know.
Do those people you know follow their cats around the entire time they are outside? Do they stay outside with their eyes on the cat the entire time they are outside?
If not, then they cannot possibly know what their cat is doing? Because the neighbors haven't complained? I have not complained about the cats in my neighborhood because I don't have time to go to ever apartment on the block and ask them which cats causing the problems are theirs. And that is NOT my responsibility--they are not my cats.
This has nothing to do with pit bulls or muzzles and IMHO the comparison was simply made to distract from the actual issue at hand.
It has to do with common courtesy and respecting peoples' rights. I have no issue with people letting their cats outside as long as they keep them on their property. HOWEVER, a cat owner's right to let kitty outside ends at my property line.
If not, then they cannot possibly know what their cat is doing? Because the neighbors haven't complained? I have not complained about the cats in my neighborhood because I don't have time to go to ever apartment on the block and ask them which cats causing the problems are theirs. And that is NOT my responsibility--they are not my cats.
This has nothing to do with pit bulls or muzzles and IMHO the comparison was simply made to distract from the actual issue at hand.
It has to do with common courtesy and respecting peoples' rights. I have no issue with people letting their cats outside as long as they keep them on their property. HOWEVER, a cat owner's right to let kitty outside ends at my property line.
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Because I live in a very.. small town type of area. Everyone knows what animals belong to who, and if there is a problem, people know about it. Everyone around Dustin's place has outdoor barn cats, but many also have indoor/outdoor cats. I've never seen the barn cats stray from their own territory. They have food, warmth, and companions. And if they've ever strayed a distance away while hunting, they've never caused anyone any problems. I'm 101% sure of that.
Just because a person allows their cat outdoors does not automatically lump them into the group of irresponsible owners. That is like saying anyone who would ever allow their dog offleash is irresponsible. It simply isn't true.
You'll have your bad owners that allow their cats to be reckless, and then you have the responsible owners that have s/n cats that are well cared for, but just simply allowed to go outdoors certain times of the day, rather than being imprisoned.
Just because a person allows their cat outdoors does not automatically lump them into the group of irresponsible owners. That is like saying anyone who would ever allow their dog offleash is irresponsible. It simply isn't true.
You'll have your bad owners that allow their cats to be reckless, and then you have the responsible owners that have s/n cats that are well cared for, but just simply allowed to go outdoors certain times of the day, rather than being imprisoned.
ah yes we're back to "local" again...lol. People assume they're going to stay in one place their whole life I guess? Things being as they are you MIGHT someday move someplace where your cat going out is LETHAL to it...and will your cat be used to that?
People here always say...don't HAVE to crate train your dog but it's good to do so because SOMEDAY...you might need your dog to be calm in a crate.
Honestly...people...you have to move...someplace where letting your cat out causes a problem or issue...is your cat, prepared? Would it "go nuts"? would you rehome it then with someone who could let it out?
Some of the reasoning in this thread seems very short sighted. Cats...well, indoor cats...live into their TWENTIES many a time...you always planning to live in the same place in THIS economy eh? Thru all your life changes...and always let your cats out to do as they please...interesting.
Oh and I am speaking to those in the USA...where it is not a "no one cares" issue...as evidenced by this thread. People DO care...and the next one may be your new neighbor.
People here always say...don't HAVE to crate train your dog but it's good to do so because SOMEDAY...you might need your dog to be calm in a crate.
Honestly...people...you have to move...someplace where letting your cat out causes a problem or issue...is your cat, prepared? Would it "go nuts"? would you rehome it then with someone who could let it out?
Some of the reasoning in this thread seems very short sighted. Cats...well, indoor cats...live into their TWENTIES many a time...you always planning to live in the same place in THIS economy eh? Thru all your life changes...and always let your cats out to do as they please...interesting.
Oh and I am speaking to those in the USA...where it is not a "no one cares" issue...as evidenced by this thread. People DO care...and the next one may be your new neighbor.
I live on a dead end road with no traffic whatsoever, do I mind if people let their cats roam everywhere, HELL YES I do...
especially since chloe loves the outdoors, Im not going to keep her pent up in the house, because god forbid, a cat might come through our yard...
Yes she is contained when she is outside, but Im not going to make any promises that someones cat will be kept safe if it wanders in my yard...
especially when Ive asked them time and time again, to keep their cat outta my yard
especially since chloe loves the outdoors, Im not going to keep her pent up in the house, because god forbid, a cat might come through our yard...
Yes she is contained when she is outside, but Im not going to make any promises that someones cat will be kept safe if it wanders in my yard...
especially when Ive asked them time and time again, to keep their cat outta my yard
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I can speak to a loose cat happening. A loose cat came into my well fenced dog yard. A beautiful black and white long haired tom cat.
I had no idea he was in my back yard. He lived about 15 seconds after my high prey drive bitch left my doorway.
He was not wearing any identification, so I had no way to find out where he lived or to whom he belonged. I put him in a card board box and buried him while my tears watered the ground. He was so beautiful and he did not deserve to die in this manner.
I had no idea he was in my back yard. He lived about 15 seconds after my high prey drive bitch left my doorway.
He was not wearing any identification, so I had no way to find out where he lived or to whom he belonged. I put him in a card board box and buried him while my tears watered the ground. He was so beautiful and he did not deserve to die in this manner.
My dogs also killed a cat that jumped down into our backyard unaware that the 2 dogs were there.
And yet I took a bashing for "allowing" it to happen and that my dogs must be evil, bloodthirsty monsters.
That's the one thing that just kills me.........that those who are irresponsible enough to let their animals roam loose actually place blame on someone else when harm comes to that animal. If I had a nickel for every time I heard "What do I have to do to sue the person who ran over my cat/dog?!" and "The asshole didn't driver didn't even try to stop when my cat/dog darted across the road" and "if they would keep their aggressive cat inside, it wouldn't be picking fights with my cat" and "How could someone poison my cat with antifreeze? That's so cruel! I'm calling the cops!"...and on and on.
When something happens it will always be your fault instead of the owners.
Oh, & when my dogs killed the cat, one of them ended up with a severely scratched cornea which again cost me money, time, and my dog pain.
And no, there is no way in hell I'm about to break up a dog/cat fight. Dog bites I can handle, cat bites were invented by Satan and I have no desire to deal with one.
And yet I took a bashing for "allowing" it to happen and that my dogs must be evil, bloodthirsty monsters.
That's the one thing that just kills me.........that those who are irresponsible enough to let their animals roam loose actually place blame on someone else when harm comes to that animal. If I had a nickel for every time I heard "What do I have to do to sue the person who ran over my cat/dog?!" and "The asshole didn't driver didn't even try to stop when my cat/dog darted across the road" and "if they would keep their aggressive cat inside, it wouldn't be picking fights with my cat" and "How could someone poison my cat with antifreeze? That's so cruel! I'm calling the cops!"...and on and on.
When something happens it will always be your fault instead of the owners.
Oh, & when my dogs killed the cat, one of them ended up with a severely scratched cornea which again cost me money, time, and my dog pain.
And no, there is no way in hell I'm about to break up a dog/cat fight. Dog bites I can handle, cat bites were invented by Satan and I have no desire to deal with one.
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DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!!
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Hopefully some of these more "It's everyone elses fault but mine" types will see this and understand what the issue is now instead of playing the defensive "I've been labled" type.
I'm so sick of reading posts by a certain member who thinks their cat doesn't $hit outside or hunt because it's well fed. :rofl1: :rofl1:
I don't care if every in my neighborhood lets their cats outdoors to enjoy their own yards.... I *do* care if I go to pull some veggies out of my garden and have to throw them away because they smell like cat p*ss.
If people kept their cats out of my yard, I'd be thrilled. Instead, I've had to go buy a BB gun so I can get rid of them myself. It's either that, or Corvus catches them and that's a much crueler fate. Or, my third option is to trap each and every one of them and have animal control come pick them up and take them to be destroyed.
ETA: Red, your post is sad, but I know exactly how you feel. I had to bury someone elses cat too. It ran across in front of my van one night when I was coming home from work. I couldn't avoid him.
Red that is so sad. My dogs have gotten 2 cats that have wandered here. One looked to have been a pet, the other looked like a feral cat. At least if your cat gets dispatched by my dogs its over in under 5 seconds. Horrifying but mercifully quick.
But what really broke my heart was the one I had to ask my hubby to kill just before Xmas. Those of you who were in chat that night might remember...
I go out to do night check in the barn but I hear this piteous meowing. I follow it and this cat is under our basement stairs (they are external stairs) I have no idea how long he was there but he was DESPERATE for help. His spine was broken, yet he still managed to pull himself from under the stairwell where I could touch him. The moment I touched him he purred sooo loud. I had obviously been there a while as he had fouled all over himself a few times.
I carefully slid him out and put him in a box. My fear was causing him more pain. He never complained. He purred the whole time, clawing his way up the box with his front claws trying to but my hand. I told hubby what I found and asked him if he would do 'the deed'. I am sure my Vet would have PTS this cat for free or nearly so.. but it was nearly midnight and I didn't want this wonderful cat to suffer any more than necessary. I spent a few minutes stroking and petting this young cat, telling him how brave and wonderful a fellow he was. I was bawling so bad I could barely see him. I left and my hubby humanely dispatched him.
This was an obviously well socialized pet. He was wonderfully friendly, was neutered and looked to be in fantastic health. I have no idea what broke his spine.. my guess would be car. Can you imagine your cat being horribly hit, dragging himself to shelter and then lying there for day(s) until his cries for help are noticed? Then hoping that the person who finds him will have enough compassion to do what needs to be done?
As senseless a death as the one in Grammy's thread where a loose dog gets killed (only at least that one was fast)
I used to let my cats roam, we live on a farm. Then I had to spend 1200 dollars we couldn't really afford and watch my cat go through hell and end up as a 3 legged cat. Some things just aren't worth it if you love animals.
But what really broke my heart was the one I had to ask my hubby to kill just before Xmas. Those of you who were in chat that night might remember...
I go out to do night check in the barn but I hear this piteous meowing. I follow it and this cat is under our basement stairs (they are external stairs) I have no idea how long he was there but he was DESPERATE for help. His spine was broken, yet he still managed to pull himself from under the stairwell where I could touch him. The moment I touched him he purred sooo loud. I had obviously been there a while as he had fouled all over himself a few times.
I carefully slid him out and put him in a box. My fear was causing him more pain. He never complained. He purred the whole time, clawing his way up the box with his front claws trying to but my hand. I told hubby what I found and asked him if he would do 'the deed'. I am sure my Vet would have PTS this cat for free or nearly so.. but it was nearly midnight and I didn't want this wonderful cat to suffer any more than necessary. I spent a few minutes stroking and petting this young cat, telling him how brave and wonderful a fellow he was. I was bawling so bad I could barely see him. I left and my hubby humanely dispatched him.
This was an obviously well socialized pet. He was wonderfully friendly, was neutered and looked to be in fantastic health. I have no idea what broke his spine.. my guess would be car. Can you imagine your cat being horribly hit, dragging himself to shelter and then lying there for day(s) until his cries for help are noticed? Then hoping that the person who finds him will have enough compassion to do what needs to be done?
As senseless a death as the one in Grammy's thread where a loose dog gets killed (only at least that one was fast)
I used to let my cats roam, we live on a farm. Then I had to spend 1200 dollars we couldn't really afford and watch my cat go through hell and end up as a 3 legged cat. Some things just aren't worth it if you love animals.