I've seen so many people on here claim that the only valid reason for breeding dogs is if they're "show quality" or "champions" or "perfect specimens of the breed." But why is that ok? How is that any better than breeding pets? Yes, it guarantees they are sound and stuff like that, but I don't see why people focus on that. What great benifit does showing have for the world? I just can't see why some people are so stuffy about why "faultless" dogs are "better" to breed. People can be adopting a pure bred dog from a shelter instead of bringing more into the world, even if they are "breed champions."
I don't really get it.
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The thing is, no matter how many titles and how outstanding two dogs are, most of the pups in a litter are NOT going to be show dogs, so, for all practical purposes, realistic breeders of show dogs know that a high percentage of their dogs' pups are going to be pets . . . and that's fine with them. You aim for the very best, and then (hopefully) even the least is a healthy, happy, good tempered pup who can look forward to a long, wonderful life with their people.
Yep summit is correct There is no such thing as faultless! Showing is something I do and enjoy. I show whether I get ribbons or money those are just plus to me. At the end of the day have my beautiful girls not one else does they are part of my family. There is not reason to breed unless you have purpose. I have lots to say on the subject but to busy.
Through the years I've seen many Golden Champions.... They were bred and raised for the ring. The Golden personality rang true, but because of being show quality they were not given the interaction Goldens need. Rolling in weeds, dirty ponds, attracted by toddlers, Yes . titles are good, but I truly liked my Goldens to be " normal " .... Of coarse I did the hip/eye/heart testing. But to me their kindness and gentleness meant more than the titles their ancestors had received.
i cant even follow what you are saying in some parts.
how is being sound, healthy and with proper temperament and working abilities for each breed, better than just breeding anything?
how is that any better?
are you asking why people should focus on overally sound (in mind and body) dogs? and saying thats a stupid thing?
how is being sound, healthy and with proper temperament and working abilities for each breed, better than just breeding anything?
how is that any better?
are you asking why people should focus on overally sound (in mind and body) dogs? and saying thats a stupid thing?
Why wouldn't it be ok?? I am talking about the ones that do health checks, and temperment tests and stuff like that and are trying to better the breed..not the ones that are just out there breeding all willy nilly
You answered your own question with your next statement
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Why not focus on that, I know I would want a sound and stable dog IF I ever went to a breeder and researched my next dog...
Like Summitt said, there is no such thing as a faultless dog
I am not even going to comment on this last statement
You answered your own question with your next statement
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Why not focus on that, I know I would want a sound and stable dog IF I ever went to a breeder and researched my next dog...
Like Summitt said, there is no such thing as a faultless dog
I am not even going to comment on this last statement
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There really to me isn't a reason to just breed because they are champions. There should always be a good reason to bring more pups in to the world and not just because they are a ch., because they are beautiful, want to see puppies born, or make money BTW having litter(S) is very expensive if its not you are doing something wrong, etc..... Being a ch. is just a plus. I hope this makes sense.
I don't think it's okay just to breed a dog because it is titled or because it's a Champion.
Look at some examples of breeders I know:
Breeder #1:
Has 10 champions.
Titles on some of her dogs include: CD, CGN, TG-N, TN-N, CGC, RN, CL1-R, CL1-H, CL1-S, PCD, TT, AGX, SMADC, MADC, NGC, TG-N, WV-N, AGI, ADC,
If someone is focused on titles they may think she is a good breeder. This breeder bred two dogs that she knew both carried the gene for cleft palates. Four of the puppies were born with cleft palates. She let them starve to death. This breeder used to work where I am. She was fired because she was incredibly abusive to the dogs. In agility class she would pinch her dogs when she thought no one was looking. The only reason 8 of the 10 dogs she has got their CH is because she enters lots of her dogs in one show and pins them up against eachother so that if one of her dogs wins, which it usually did because she was the only one with the breed, it would get more points. Her dogs are ugly as hell. In one show, a judge actually said "none of these dogs deserve ribbons" and excused them all from the ring. In another show, the judge asked why there were 2 of the same breed in the group ring -- well, one was the right breed -- he mistook her dog for that breed too!
Breeder #2
All six of her dogs are CH, some both Am/Can CH.
Titles include: CD, CGC, HIC, BPD, VCX, ROMX, HT, PT, TT
Titles look awesome. All of her dogs are champions. 3 of her 6 dogs also have collie eye anomoly. Some of them are slightly micropthalmic (not enough for the judges to notice, but who knows what they produce). 4 of her dogs are MDR1 carriers. She was recently disqualified from a show for kicking one of her clients' dogs down a hill. I've heard horror stories (and experienced one myself with my own dog and this breeder) of dogs going to a show with her and then never being showable again. I've talked to one person who says they've seen her kick a dog in the ribs, and another person who says they saw her throw a client dog down and hit it repeatedly for barking.
I can name a dozen more cases like these.
Now, I also don't find it okay to breed just for pets.
Breeder #1:
Bred their goldens as "pets." Because the dogs were just pets, they didn't research the pedigree. Turns out the dogs were full-siblings. Every puppy in that litter was COMPLETELY INSANE. These were golden retrievers that would sooner rip your face off than look at you. I believe only one of the puppies wasn't put to sleep.
Breeder #2:
Bred their chi/pom mix and their chihuahua. They just wanted to make cute little pets. I know two of the dogs from this litter. One of them is getting surgery to fix his luxating pattellas. The other has some disease the vets can't even figure out.
In other words, I don't think that people should be breeding for show, and I don't think they should be breeding for pets. They should be breeding for the ALL-AROUND DOG. Breed for show, breed for pet, breed for health and temperment and working ability and soundness of body and mind. Love your dogs, take care of your dogs, call your breeding program a hobby but treat it like it's your life and your passion. People focus too much one one factor. "Well this breeder titles their dogs." "This breeder health certifies." "All of this breeder's dogs are champions." Look at the whole picture....
Look at some examples of breeders I know:
Breeder #1:
Has 10 champions.
Titles on some of her dogs include: CD, CGN, TG-N, TN-N, CGC, RN, CL1-R, CL1-H, CL1-S, PCD, TT, AGX, SMADC, MADC, NGC, TG-N, WV-N, AGI, ADC,
If someone is focused on titles they may think she is a good breeder. This breeder bred two dogs that she knew both carried the gene for cleft palates. Four of the puppies were born with cleft palates. She let them starve to death. This breeder used to work where I am. She was fired because she was incredibly abusive to the dogs. In agility class she would pinch her dogs when she thought no one was looking. The only reason 8 of the 10 dogs she has got their CH is because she enters lots of her dogs in one show and pins them up against eachother so that if one of her dogs wins, which it usually did because she was the only one with the breed, it would get more points. Her dogs are ugly as hell. In one show, a judge actually said "none of these dogs deserve ribbons" and excused them all from the ring. In another show, the judge asked why there were 2 of the same breed in the group ring -- well, one was the right breed -- he mistook her dog for that breed too!
Breeder #2
All six of her dogs are CH, some both Am/Can CH.
Titles include: CD, CGC, HIC, BPD, VCX, ROMX, HT, PT, TT
Titles look awesome. All of her dogs are champions. 3 of her 6 dogs also have collie eye anomoly. Some of them are slightly micropthalmic (not enough for the judges to notice, but who knows what they produce). 4 of her dogs are MDR1 carriers. She was recently disqualified from a show for kicking one of her clients' dogs down a hill. I've heard horror stories (and experienced one myself with my own dog and this breeder) of dogs going to a show with her and then never being showable again. I've talked to one person who says they've seen her kick a dog in the ribs, and another person who says they saw her throw a client dog down and hit it repeatedly for barking.
I can name a dozen more cases like these.
Now, I also don't find it okay to breed just for pets.
Breeder #1:
Bred their goldens as "pets." Because the dogs were just pets, they didn't research the pedigree. Turns out the dogs were full-siblings. Every puppy in that litter was COMPLETELY INSANE. These were golden retrievers that would sooner rip your face off than look at you. I believe only one of the puppies wasn't put to sleep.
Breeder #2:
Bred their chi/pom mix and their chihuahua. They just wanted to make cute little pets. I know two of the dogs from this litter. One of them is getting surgery to fix his luxating pattellas. The other has some disease the vets can't even figure out.
In other words, I don't think that people should be breeding for show, and I don't think they should be breeding for pets. They should be breeding for the ALL-AROUND DOG. Breed for show, breed for pet, breed for health and temperment and working ability and soundness of body and mind. Love your dogs, take care of your dogs, call your breeding program a hobby but treat it like it's your life and your passion. People focus too much one one factor. "Well this breeder titles their dogs." "This breeder health certifies." "All of this breeder's dogs are champions." Look at the whole picture....