"How to look good naked"

[mjb]

No, I haven't seen the show. In fact, I had never heard of it before your post. Is it a network show?

My comments were merely guesses and assumptions (and you know what they say about those:lol-sign of what their intentions could have been.

 

[Babyblue5290]

No, I haven't seen the show. In fact, I had never heard of it before your post. Is it a network show?

My comments were merely guesses and assumptions (and you know what they say about those:lol-sign of what their intentions could have been.

I think everyone got the main intention of the show, which I'm really not arguing against. I think their intentions are great, there where just a few (more than 2) comments that made it seem to me that they where saying her weight at that momeent was healthy and what women should look like.

It's a new show on, ..........lifetime? I think? I downloaded it to my ipod to test out the movie player for it since it was a free download

But from what I heard it kinda a remake of an old show the Europeans had.

 

[Babyblue5290]

Ok they said flat out "This is your healthy body weight" after she said "this is probably my natural body weight" in the very begining.

Which I just don't see how that much extra fat can be healthy? So yes, they said being overweight like that is healthy.

 

[mjb]

Yeah, I was definitely commenting on something I knew nothing about.

It's not a good idea for obese people to be 'satisfied' when that's unhealthy. I also would like to see some healthy women with body types other than supermodels become more vogue for young girls to look up to.

As I mentioned, the super-thin that is showcased right now is my daughter's build. She would have a hard time living up to the 'fuller-figured' body type, if that were what everyone was striving to be.

I, on the other hand, just told my husband last night that, based on paintings, I would have made a marvelous rennaissance woman

Sorry, though, you were trying to discuss the TV show, and I have rambled on about other things. I'll have to catch the show sometime, and then I can join this conversation!! My intent is not to 'take over' your thread!!!

 

[Babyblue5290]

Yeah, I was definitely commenting on something I knew nothing about.

It's not a good idea for obese people to be 'satisfied' when that's unhealthy. I also would like to see some healthy women with body types other than supermodels become more vogue for young girls to look up to.

As I mentioned, the super-thin that is showcased right now is my daughter's build. She would have a hard time living up to the 'fuller-figured' body type, if that were what everyone was striving to be.

I, on the other hand, just told my husband last night that, based on paintings, I would have made a marvelous rennaissance woman

Sorry, though, you were trying to discuss the TV show, and I have rambled on about other things. I'll have to catch the show sometime, and then I can join this conversation!! My intent is not to 'take over' your thread!!!

LOL it's ok! I think the goal shouldn't be a certain weight persay. It should be a "healthy" weight. Determining what's truley healthy for that person is what really is challenging! And definitely not something others can really comment on I guess. (Though I still can't see how having 20% etc body fat can be healthy).

I mean, I know when I feel truly healthy, it's not when I'm skinny, and it's NOT when I'm fat. It's not even when my weight is at a certain number, it's when I go out and run, and eat healthy, and gain more muscle then fat. And eating healthy to me means eating much less heavily processed or preprepared foods. As well as eating fruits, veggies, snacking and eating enough in the day time, but not eating so much that I feel full. Just enough to actually satisfy the hunger without making my stomach "full" if that makse any sense at all.

More healthy people, less of everyone must be super skinny or everyone must have a bunch of fat to be normal would be nice. I guess that's way too much variety for the entertainment world though.

 

[nancy2394]

Ok they said flat out "This is your healthy body weight" after she said "this is probably my natural body weight" in the very begining.

Which I just don't see how that much extra fat can be healthy? So yes, they said being overweight like that is healthy.

I hope you don't think I was thinking your comments were out of line. I hadn't seen the show, but you got me to thinking about overweight people in general and I just put in my two cents about the whole self esteem and being overweight thing.

It is not healthy in any way shape or form to be overweight... especially mobidly obese like myself. It puts a lot of strain on your heart, joints, bones...etc. And you can have fatty infiltrates on your organs and fat around your heart. Not to mention problems with high blood pressure and diabetes as well as refux and other associated problems. There are a lot of health risks with being overweight and obviously the more overweight you are the more significant the risks become.

That is why I want so much to try and lose some of this weight before it winds up taking my life from me. I'm still scratching my head to understand why they'd say it was "healthy" for someone to be overweight... doesn't make sense to me.

I'll have to check out the show sometime just to see what it's all about.

 

[Babyblue5290]

I hope you don't think I was thinking your comments were out of line. I hadn't seen the show, but you got me to thinking about overweight people in general and I just put in my two cents about the whole self esteem and being overweight thing.

It is not healthy in any way shape or form to be overweight... especially mobidly obese like myself. It puts a lot of strain on your heart, joints, bones...etc. And you can have fatty infiltrates on your organs and fat around your heart. Not to mention problems with high blood pressure and diabetes as well as refux and other associated problems. There are a lot of health risks with being overweight and obviously the more overweight you are the more significant the risks become.

That is why I want so much to try and lose some of this weight before it winds up taking my life from me. I'm still scratching my head to understand why they'd say it was "healthy" for someone to be overweight... doesn't make sense to me.

I'll have to check out the show sometime just to see what it's all about.

I was trying to upload it to youtube for you guys to watch, but the file size is too big and I don't have a program to cut it into smaller size on this comp. Sorry!

It did kinda seem like some people are taking my words to mean that I don't think people should have a high self-esteem or feel good about who they are if they are overweight and I really don't mean that at all! I don't think who you are is your weight. You are not your weight! You can be a wonderful person (general you ) no matter what you look like or how much you weigh. And I really think everyone should feel good about themselves, as far as who they are and having a good self-esteem, regardless of weight.

But I can't say being overweight (more than just a few lbs) is all that healthy, imo. Which those comments about being overweight being healthy by that show were the ones I was talking about.

 

[mjb]

I know what you mean. I also feel much better when I'm eating healthy, non-processed foods. I even do okay when I let myself have something 'bad' from time-to-time, but really watch the amounts and limit how often. And adding daily exercising, too.

But, the knowledge of how much better I feel hasn't been enough to sway me to get off this downhill slide that I've been on since the holidays!!!

 

[Babyblue5290]

I know what you mean. I also feel much better when I'm eating healthy, non-processed foods. I even do okay when I let myself have something 'bad' from time-to-time, but really watch the amounts and limit how often. And adding daily exercising, too.

But, the knowledge of how much better I feel hasn't been enough to sway me to get off this downhill slide that I've been on since the holidays!!!

Oh man, I feel your pain on that one! I've been pretty much on a bad downhill slide of Ice cream (my arch enemy/addiction), pizza, and little excercise since the holidays as well! :/

But seeing as Nancy is doing it, I feel like I should as well. So tomorrow, I am forcing myself back into that excercise routine of mine. First excercise, then healthy foods!

 

[mjb]

I did a small workout today, for the first time. I was planning to get going right after the first, but I had a very bad cold, so that was my excuse.

Hopefully, I'll start eating better tomorrow. I am going out with some friends at lunch for a birthday celebration (with dessert), but I'm going to try to start controlling myself and exercising. Then maybe I can just improve each day.

I've got to do something!!!

 

[Dizzy]

Not seen the show, but I do think promoting self esteem is FABULOUS!!!

Also, if people have GOOD self esteem, they are more likely to be able to control their weight - so feeling good about yourself helps you STAY healthy.

Personally.... I used to be extremely self conscious.... to the point of absurd sometimes.

But as I have grown, and learnt about myself, I am happier everyday with the skin I am in, even if it isn't perfect, and I am not a waife like twig!!! I am not obese or fat though either....

Life is about self discovery... and the more you learn, the more you love I think.

And the more you love, the more you can control yourself and your body, mind, soul - whatever.

So yeah, what's the harm in feeling GROOVY and SEXY and BEAUTIFUL... in the long run - you'll probably end up slimming down totally naturally anyway

No more comfort eating, no more shame, no more binges, no more greed.

Being fat isn't a medical condition - it's a mental one - as it were

 

[Dreeza]

(asteriks are to emphasize the *Difference between your weight and your fat percentage*)

There's also a difference between a few extra lbs, and being more than a little overweight. I mean, everyone needs fat, some carry more than others, but I can't imagine how 20% body fat is healthy?

20% body fat for a woman is actually quite healthy

I right now am at 19-20% and weight ~120lbs and am 5'2'' and am pretty active. It is a little higher than I would like, but I'm really only aiming to get down to maybe 16%

A woman has about 10% ESSENTIAL body fat, a man only has about 4%, so guys can go lower. But a woman BODYBUILDER who may appear to have NO body fat is still carrying at probably the VERY least 8% (but usually more around 10%)


Anyways, still havent seen the show, but I do agree that they should be throwing in a few healthy tips in there...maybe just doing it in a subtle manner by having them cook a healthy meal or something. Also, I dont think they should be saying that it is normal to be overweight either.

The one thing that kinda irks me is how some people may assume that being overweight is bad solely appearance-wise. If that were the case, then I would def not be dedicating so much of my time to reading about eating healthy, etc. The fact is, you should be losing weight for your HEALTH. Being even just a little overweight raises soooo many health risks. So yeah, I think it is fantastic to teach people to love themselves in their current state, but for the sake of their health and futures, I don't think they should be pushing the message that being overweight is "normal" (plus, thats just a stupid word, I mean, technically it is normal because of the huge numbers of overweight people, but ya know...)

 

[FoxyWench]

Drezza is right, i have been told by nutritionalist that it is HEALTHY and normal for a woman to carry 20%.

did you know marilyn monroe was a size 14!!! unfortunatly the idea of what is "NORMAL" weight nowerdays is lower than what was NORMAL weight lets say 50 years ago, the vision is scewed due to there being such emphesis over the past few years on being super skinny (not saying thats right or healthy either, infact its often riskier to be UNDERWEIGHT than it is to be overweight, not talking morbidly overweight howwever but somewhere in the 20-25% body fat is HEALTHY!

i LIKE the show for its basis on promoting good self esteem in "plus sized women" (please note again,size 14 was AVERAGE not that many years ago...now its considered "PLUS SIZED")
i also like how it gives good tips for plus sized women on say sleecting the right bra (something that is unusually hard in larger women for some reason!) and which clothes flatter best.
They also do promote Healthy eating and excersize as a form of maintenence and those that are above that 20% they do encorage to excersize (as a way of building self esteem too) and eating Healthier. you realy have to catch a couple of shows to get the generality of it all.

i love the show...

personally im WAY over the 20% safe zone...but my 90 remaining lbs should put me right there.

i do understand what your saying about t seeming to promote being overweight as healthy...but what i dont think many grasp the concept of is todays vision of "overweight" (and again were talking in the 20% body fat range so slightly) is actually a healthy weight for most women

 

[HoundedByHounds]

looking to the screen....thin women being "in" is not new...Audrey comes to mind...Grace...Katherine...B. Stanwyck...Colbert...they were right there alongside the Sofia's and Marilyns and Jayne's.

There's always been a range in what is protrayed on screen as ideal...it's just that women tend to remember the women that look most like them...and assume that was the "norm". IMO.

All the more reason Hollywood is not the place to look for 'averages' at all..because STARS...are not average...that is why they become stars.

 

[puppylover2007]

i have seen the show and i think it is wonderful, what they are trying to accomplish is that for the 'normal; woman who has had kids, surgeries or what have you can still look sexy naked.. i agree with Dreeza, a healthy BMI is around 18 to as high as 20%.. but, it all depends on how tall you are ( google BMI charts and it will calculate your weight and height) many woman these days think that they need to be 100lbs of pure tight tone muscle and hardly any fat.. NOT true, your body needs at least 10% ( more if you are preggers) the average woman can have a BMI as high as 24% with out being in jeopardy of being defined as OVERWEIGHT.

OP i think you need to educate yourself on BMI's and height weight charts, i respect your opinion and your thoughts, but, you also need to take into account the persons height, weight, metabolism, health problems( diabetes, surgeries etc) before you go off saying that FAT is out and thin is IN!! Not everyone can be a perfect 0 or smaller, your body frame as alot to do with it as well. i have seem woman who are 5' 6 and weigh well over 160lbs but not even look it. the frame of a person tells alot, some have pear shapes, some have hourglass shapes, some are top heavy ( that is me ), some are hip and thigh heavy.. i am not trying to be rude, but it seems you are trying to read way more into the show than you need too, the whole point of the show is to tell woman of any shape size that you need to feel good about yourself, and work on how you look now! the show makes alot of wonderful points about ones appearance being naked. i think that it is a great show for those who have a little extra padding, which now adays is perfectly ok, i am not saying that being overweight is ever a good thing, but, in order to maintain weight or lose it, you need to feel good about yourself.

 

[Dreeza]

i have seen the show and i think it is wonderful, what they are trying to accomplish is that for the 'normal; woman who has had kids, surgeries or what have you can still look sexy naked.. i agree with Dreeza, a healthy BMI is around 18 to as high as 20%.. but, it all depends on how tall you are ( google BMI charts and it will calculate your weight and height) many woman these days think that they need to be 100lbs of pure tight tone muscle and hardly any fat.. NOT true, your body needs at least 10% ( more if you are preggers) the average woman can have a BMI as high as 24% with out being in jeopardy of being defined as OVERWEIGHT. OP i think you need to educate yourself on BMI's and height weight charts,

Ok, sorry, I have to point this out...but you are totally mixing up BMI and body fat...they are COMPLETELY different!!! BMI = Body Mass Index, it is a RATIO, not a percent. It is also fairly useless to use BMI as any kind of indicator of anything, but good for large population studies...
Body fat on the other hand is a percentage of your total mass, and is MUCH more useful to know, and a much better indicator of your health. However, it is harder to measure, hence the reason BMI is used to do quick population averages and what not.

i respect your opinion and your thoughts, but, you also need to take into account the persons height, weight, metabolism, health problems( diabetes, surgeries etc) before you go off saying that FAT is out and thin is IN!! Not everyone can be a perfect 0 or smaller, your body frame as alot to do with it as well.

I really also do not think BB was implying in anyway that everyone should be a size 0...i think you are kinda reading into her posts a little too much...and nowhere did she say anything about fat or thin being "in or out" ( i dont even know what that comment was supposed to mean actually...)

 

[HoundedByHounds]

I do think however unpopular it may be...docs need SOME sort of average to begin with to advise patients on their health.

I do NOT think that just because Americans on the whole are bigger (height AND weight) than they have ever been...is cause to "up" the averages in order to make some folks feel better.

IOW let's not allow the fact that MORE Americans are overweight...to then adjust the averages up, so they are "normal" and healthy...I think that's a slippery slope.

 

[Babyblue5290]

I'm going to write this at the top so everyone (hopefully) see's it!

I DID NOT DO ANY RESEARCH ABOUT BODY FAT %'s BEFORE WRITING 20%, I was just throwing out a random number and 20 was the first number that came to mind. I know what is healthy, but I was tired. My fault, sorry about that confusion.

ALSO anything in CAPS is for emphasis, not screaming/yelling/or being angry

I also have to split this to two posts as it goes over the character length.

I did a small workout today, for the first time. I was planning to get going right after the first, but I had a very bad cold, so that was my excuse.

Hopefully, I'll start eating better tomorrow. I am going out with some friends at lunch for a birthday celebration (with dessert), but I'm going to try to start controlling myself and exercising. Then maybe I can just improve each day.

I've got to do something!!!

YAY! Good job!! That's a great start! Good luck on controlling yourself at the celebration tomorrow!

Not seen the show, but I do think promoting self esteem is FABULOUS!!!

Also, if people have GOOD self esteem, they are more likely to be able to control their weight - so feeling good about yourself helps you STAY healthy.

Personally.... I used to be extremely self conscious.... to the point of absurd sometimes.

But as I have grown, and learnt about myself, I am happier everyday with the skin I am in, even if it isn't perfect, and I am not a waife like twig!!! I am not obese or fat though either....

Life is about self discovery... and the more you learn, the more you love I think.

And the more you love, the more you can control yourself and your body, mind, soul - whatever.

So yeah, what's the harm in feeling GROOVY and SEXY and BEAUTIFUL... in the long run - you'll probably end up slimming down totally naturally anyway

No more comfort eating, no more shame, no more binges, no more greed.

Being fat isn't a medical condition - it's a mental one - as it were

I agree completely, and have said so throughout this entire thread. It's the comments on this show that make it seem like being overweight is HEALTHY that bugs me. But you have to see the show to hear the comments.

20% body fat for a woman is actually quite healthy

I right now am at 19-20% and weight ~120lbs and am 5'2'' and am pretty active. It is a little higher than I would like, but I'm really only aiming to get down to maybe 16%

A woman has about 10% ESSENTIAL body fat, a man only has about 4%, so guys can go lower. But a woman BODYBUILDER who may appear to have NO body fat is still carrying at probably the VERY least 8% (but usually more around 10%)


Anyways, still havent seen the show, but I do agree that they should be throwing in a few healthy tips in there...maybe just doing it in a subtle manner by having them cook a healthy meal or something. Also, I dont think they should be saying that it is normal to be overweight either.

The one thing that kinda irks me is how some people may assume that being overweight is bad solely appearance-wise. If that were the case, then I would def not be dedicating so much of my time to reading about eating healthy, etc. The fact is, you should be losing weight for your HEALTH. Being even just a little overweight raises soooo many health risks. So yeah, I think it is fantastic to teach people to love themselves in their current state, but for the sake of their health and futures, I don't think they should be pushing the message that being overweight is "normal" (plus, thats just a stupid word, I mean, technically it is normal because of the huge numbers of overweight people, but ya know...)

The 20% I wrote out of pure tirednes and randomly picked a number. I explain at the top of this post, sorry about that. I MEANT to put a high number, not such a low one.

Yeah, I understand and agree completely with you!

Drezza is right, i have been told by nutritionalist that it is HEALTHY and normal for a woman to carry 20%.

did you know marilyn monroe was a size 14!!! unfortunatly the idea of what is "NORMAL" weight nowerdays is lower than what was NORMAL weight lets say 50 years ago, the vision is scewed due to there being such emphesis over the past few years on being super skinny (not saying thats right or healthy either, infact its often riskier to be UNDERWEIGHT than it is to be overweight, not talking morbidly overweight howwever but somewhere in the 20-25% body fat is HEALTHY!

i LIKE the show for its basis on promoting good self esteem in "plus sized women" (please note again,size 14 was AVERAGE not that many years ago...now its considered "PLUS SIZED")
i also like how it gives good tips for plus sized women on say sleecting the right bra (something that is unusually hard in larger women for some reason!) and which clothes flatter best.
They also do promote Healthy eating and excersize as a form of maintenence and those that are above that 20% they do encorage to excersize (as a way of building self esteem too) and eating Healthier. you realy have to catch a couple of shows to get the generality of it all.

i love the show...

personally im WAY over the 20% safe zone...but my 90 remaining lbs should put me right there.

i do understand what your saying about t seeming to promote being overweight as healthy...but what i dont think many grasp the concept of is todays vision of "overweight" (and again were talking in the 20% body fat range so slightly) is actually a healthy weight for most women

Look to the top for explanation of the 20% body fat. That was NOT what i meant to write! I meant to write a body fat % that was much higher.

Anyways, I'm not sure we are talking about the same show. In fact, I am pretty sure we aren't! lol You *might* be talking about the older, European version of the show? The one I saw has only had ONE episode o far. They do NOT promote healthy eating or healthy excercise. They say that her weight is "normal" and healthy quiet bluntly. Are you per chance talking about the other show? If you are not, I'll reply to the rest you wrote later.

i have seen the show and i think it is wonderful, what they are trying to accomplish is that for the 'normal; woman who has had kids, surgeries or what have you can still look sexy naked.. i agree with Dreeza, a healthy BMI is around 18 to as high as 20%.. but, it all depends on how tall you are ( google BMI charts and it will calculate your weight and height) many woman these days think that they need to be 100lbs of pure tight tone muscle and hardly any fat.. NOT true, your body needs at least 10% ( more if you are preggers) the average woman can have a BMI as high as 24% with out being in jeopardy of being defined as OVERWEIGHT.

OP i think you need to educate yourself on BMI's and height weight charts, i respect your opinion and your thoughts, but, you also need to take into account the persons height, weight, metabolism, health problems( diabetes, surgeries etc) before you go off saying that FAT is out and thin is IN!! Not everyone can be a perfect 0 or smaller, your body frame as alot to do with it as well. i have seem woman who are 5' 6 and weigh well over 160lbs but not even look it. the frame of a person tells alot, some have pear shapes, some have hourglass shapes, some are top heavy ( that is me ), some are hip and thigh heavy.. i am not trying to be rude, but it seems you are trying to read way more into the show than you need too, the whole point of the show is to tell woman of any shape size that you need to feel good about yourself, and work on how you look now! the show makes alot of wonderful points about ones appearance being naked. i think that it is a great show for those who have a little extra padding, which now adays is perfectly ok, i am not saying that being overweight is ever a good thing, but, in order to maintain weight or lose it, you need to feel good about yourself.

You haven't read my posts for what they menat. I NEVER said the show was bad, I agree'd the OVERALL message was wonderful, I NEVER said fat or thinness was "IN OR OUT" and I never said being a particular weight mattered. It's the HEALTHY weight for each INDIVIDUAL that matters. That includes the body fat % for each individual person, as some carry more weight naturally than others. BUT this show seems to promote being overweight as "normal" and healthy, which is should not do IMO.

LIke Dreeza says below, BMI and Body Fat % is COMPLETELY different! You might want to educate yourself on the differences

Like Dreeza said, BMI isn't all that useful at all! Not for really knowing your healthy weight/body fat. It doesn't take into account anything other than your hight, weight, and sex. It barely uses anything. Like you yourself said, you have to take into account the different bone structures, some people (like me) ahve a large structure and are going to weigh a bit more. Some also have a ton of fat, while someone the same weight, but maybe shorter, has a lot of fat and the one with more fat will have a LOWER BMI than the one with more muscle. Because Muscle weighs more than fat. So your weight may even go up after gaining a lot of muscle if you had a lot of fat before.

The 20% body fat percentage is explained at the top of my post.

I agree, a lot of points, and the focus, of the show is a very good thing. I'd recomend the show to others (though I'm sure there are better shows!) BUT being overweight is not healthy, and comments that show made about being overweight (again, overweight by more than a little) is healthy is NOT ok in my book.

 

[Babyblue5290]

Ok, sorry, I have to point this out...but you are totally mixing up BMI and body fat...they are COMPLETELY different!!! BMI = Body Mass Index, it is a RATIO, not a percent. It is also fairly useless to use BMI as any kind of indicator of anything, but good for large population studies...
Body fat on the other hand is a percentage of your total mass, and is MUCH more useful to know, and a much better indicator of your health. However, it is harder to measure, hence the reason BMI is used to do quick population averages and what not.



I really also do not think BB was implying in anyway that everyone should be a size 0...i think you are kinda reading into her posts a little too much...and nowhere did she say anything about fat or thin being "in or out" ( i dont even know what that comment was supposed to mean actually...)

Oh man no! I've never been a 0! I don't want everyone to be one weight at all! And you're right, I never once said being fat or thin was "out or in." I don't care what your weight is as long as it was healthy for you. Like I said a few posts back, I don't care how much you weight, 240 lbs of almost all fat is different then 240 lbs of mostly muscle and a healthy fat percentage.

I do think however unpopular it may be...docs need SOME sort of average to begin with to advise patients on their health.

I do NOT think that just because Americans on the whole are bigger (height AND weight) than they have ever been...is cause to "up" the averages in order to make some folks feel better.

IOW let's not allow the fact that MORE Americans are overweight...to then adjust the averages up, so they are "normal" and healthy...I think that's a slippery slope.

Agreed. I don't think anyone said we should up the "normal" averages because people are getting larger overall. I did say that it seems in people's minds the "normal" body weight is getting higher, but only in people's minds. NOT in medical averages.

 

[HoundedByHounds]

Oh I think they've already adjusted the "charts" a bit actually...maybe some med types can confirm tho.