Has anyone heard of these?

[Dizzy]

Yes - gorgeous looking dogs.

And why not develop new breeds? Yes, there are plenty, so another one or two won't hurt. And as far as I am aware, they are not just plonking 2 dogs together, it is done just like you would breed any pedigree.

 

[Leslie + Chessies]

Yes - gorgeous looking dogs.

And why not develop new breeds? Yes, there are plenty, so another one or two won't hurt. And as far as I am aware, they are not just plonking 2 dogs together, it is done just like you would breed any pedigree.

How about another couple hundred? I don't think it's okay....

AMERICAN CANINE HYBRID CLUB HYBRID BREEDS

Affenpinsher-Poodle Affenpoo
Afghan Hound-Rottweiler Rottaf
Alaskan Malamute-Timber Wolf Wolamute – not registered with ACHC
(Wolamute Club of America)
American Bull Dog-Boxer Bulloxer
American Bull Dog-Bull Terrier BD Terrier
American Bull Dog-Bulldog EngAm Bulldog / Olde Bulldog
American Bull Dog-Dogue De Bordeaux American Bull Dogue De
Bordeaux
American Eskimo-Basset Hound Baskimo
American Eskimo-Beagle Bekimo
American Eskimo-Cocker Spaniel Cock-A-Mo
American Eskimo-Lhasa Apso Kimola
American Eskimo-Pomeranian Pomimo
American Eskimo-Pomeranian Pomimo
American Eskimo-Poodle Pookimo
American Eskimo-Shetland Sheepdog Eskland
American Eskimo-Shih Tzu Shih-Mo
American Ori-Pei – Pug Pug-A-Pei
American Pit Bull Terrier-Bulldog Old English Bulldogge
American Rat Terrier-Boston Terrier Brat
American Rat Terrier-Pug Puggat
American Rat Terrier-MinPinscher American Rat Pinscher
American Rat Terrier-Shih Tzu Ratshi Terrier
American Staffordshire Terrier-Bulldog Old English Bulldogge
Australian Shepherd-Labrador Retriever Sheprador
Australian Shepherd-Poodle Aussie-Poo
Australian Terrier-Jack Russell Terrier Rustralian Terrier
Basset-Beagle Bagle Hound
Basset-Boston Terrier Basston
Basset-Dachshund Basschshund
Basset-Miniature Schnauzer Bowzer
Basset-Pug Bassugg
Basset-Shih Tzu Tzu-Basset
Basset-Shar Pei Ba-Shar
Beagle-Bearded Collie Beacol
Beagle-Bichon Frise Glechon
Beagle-Boston Terrier Boglen Terrier
Beagle-Brussels Griffon Bea Griffon
Beagle-Cavalier King Charles Keagle
Beagle-Doberman Pinscher Beagleman
Beagle-French Bulldog Frengle
Beagle-Jack Russell Terrier Jack-A-Bee
Beagle-Boxer Bogle
Beagle-Cocker Spaniel Bocker
Beagle-Dachshund Doxle
Beagle-Golden Retriever Beago
Beagle-Labrador Retriever Labbe
Beagle-MinPin Meagle
Beagle-Pekingese Peagle
Beagle-Poodle Poogle
Beagle-Pug Puggle
Bearded Collie-Dalmatian Bodacion
Bernese Mountain Dog-Border Collie Bordernese
Belgian Malinois-German Shepherd Dog Malinois X
Bichon Frise-Cairn Terrier Kashon
Bichon Frise-Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Cavachon --only
Cavachon Club
Bichon Frise-Chihuahua Chi-Chon
Bichon Frise-Chinese Crested Chinese Frise
Bichon Frise-Cocker Spaniel Cock-A-Chon
Bichon Frise-Coton de Tulear Biton
Bichon Frsie-Havanese Havachon
Bichon Frise-Japanese Chin Ja-Chon
Bichon Frise-Lhasa Apso La-Chon
Bichon Frise-Maltese Maltichon
Bichon Frise-Miniature Schnauzer Chonzer
Bichon Frise-Papillon Papichon
Bichon Frise-Pekingese Peke-A-Chon
Bichon Frise-Pomeranian Bichon-A-Ranian
Bichon Frise-Poodle Poochon
Bichon Frise-Silky Terrier Silkchon
Bichon Frise-Shih Tzu Zuchon
Bichon Frise-Toy Fox Terrier Fo-Chon
Bichon Frise-Westie Wee-Chon
Bichon Frise-Yorkshire Terrier Yo-Chon
Biewer-Yorkshire Terrier Biewer Yorkie
Border Collie-Labrador Retriever Borador
Boston Terrier-French Bulldog Faux Frenchbo Bulldog
Boston Terrier-Bulldog English Boston Bulldog
Boston Terrier-Chinese Shar-Pei Sharbo
Boston Terrier-MinPin Bospin
Boston Terrier-MinSchnauzer Miniboz
Boston Terrier-Papillon Bostillon
Boston Terrier-Pekingese Bostinese
Boston Terrier-Pug Buggs
Boston Terrier-Shih Tzu BoShih
Boston Terrier-Toy Fox Terrier Foxton
Boxer-Bulldog Bull Boxer
Brussels Griffon-English Toy Spaniel English Toy Griffon
Brussels Griffon-Lhasa Apso Lhaffon
Brussels Griffon-Pekingese Griffonese
Brussels Griffon-Poodle Broodle Griffon
Brussels Griffon-Rat Terrier Rattle Griffon
Brussels Griffon-Shih Tzu Shiffon
Bulldog-Dalmatian Bullmatian
Bulldog-Olde Bulldog ge Victorian Bulldogge
Bulldog-Pug Miniature Bulldog
Bulldog-Treeing Walker English Bull-Walker
Cairn Terrier-Maltese Cairmal
Cairn Terrier-Poodle Poocan
Cairn Terrier-Shih Tzu Care-Tzu
Cairn Terrier-Westie Cairland Terrier
Cairn Terrier-Yorkshire Terrier Corkie
Cantel (Cantel Club of America) Cantel
Cantel-Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Cavacan
Cavachon (Cavachon Club of America) Cavachon
Cavachon-Poodle Cavachon-Poo
Cavachon-Maltese Malton
Cavachon-Shih Tzu Cavazoo
Cavalier King Charles-Cocker Spaniel Cockalier
Cavalier King Charles-Coton de Tulear Cavaton
Cavalier King Charles-English Toy Spaniel English King Spaniel
Cavalier King Charles-Lhasa Apso Lhasalier
Cavalier King Charles-Maltese Cav-A-Malt
Cavalier King Charles-Papillon Cava-lon
Cavalier King Charles-Poodle Cavapoo
Cavalier King Charles-Shih Tzu Cava-Tzu
Chihuahua-Corgi
Chihuahua-Dalmation Chimation
Chihuahua-Dachshund Chiweenie
Chihuahua-Jack Russell Terrier Jack Chi
Chihuahua-Japanese Chin Chin-wa
Chihuahua-Maltese Malchi
Chihuahua-MinPin Chipin
Chihuahua-Papillon Chion
Chihuahua-Pekingese Cheeks
Chihuahua-Pomeranian Chiranian
Chihuahua-Poodle Wapoo
Chihuahua-Pug Chug
Chihuahua-Rat Terrier Rat-Cha
Chihuahua-Shih Tzu ShiChi
Chihuahua-Toy Fox Terrier Taco Terrier
Chihuahua-Yorkshire Terrier Chorkie
Chinese Crested-Havanese Crested Havanese
Chinese Crested-Maltese Crested Malt
Chinese Crested-Miniature Schnauzer Crested Schnauzer
Chinese Crested-Pomeranian Chinaranian
Chinese Crested-Poodle Poochis
Chinese Crested-Pug Pugese
Chinese Shar Pei-Basset Hound Basshar Pei
Chinese Shar Pei-Pug Ori-Pei

 

[Leslie + Chessies]

Cock-A-Poo –Lhasa Apso Lacasapoo
Cocker Spaniel-Coton de Tulear Cocker-Ton
Cocker Spaniel-English Cocker Spaniel Colonial Cocker Spaniel
Cocker Spaniel-English Toy Spaniel English Toy Cocker Spaniel
Cocker Spaniel-Golden Retriever Cogol
Cocker Spaniel-Lhasa Apso Lha-Cocker
Cocker Spaniel-Min Australian Shepherd Cotralian
Cocker Spaniel-MinPinscher Cockapin
Cocker Spaniel-MinSchnauzer Schnocker
Cocker Spaniel-Pekingese Cockinese
Cocker Spaniel-Pomeranian Cockeranian
Cocker Spaniel-Poodle Cock-A-Poo
Cocker Spaniel-Shiba Inu Shocker
Cocker Spaniel-Toy Fox Terrier Foxker
Cocker Spaniel-Yorkie Corkie
Collie-Poodle Cadoodle
Coton De Tulear-Poodle Poo-Ton
Coton De Tulear-Shih Tzu Coton Tzu
Dachshund-Maltese Mauxie
Dachshund-Miniature Schnauzer Miniature Schnoxie
Dachshund-Papillon Papshund
Dachshund-Pembroke Welsh Corgi Dorgi
Dachshund-Pomeranian Dameranian
Dachshund-Poodle Doodle
Dachshund-Scottish Terrier Doxie Scot
Dachshund-Shih Tzu Schweenie
Dachshund-Yorkshire Terrier Dorkie
Dalmatian-Golden Retriever Goldmation
Doberman Pinscher-Poodle Doodleman Pinscher
Dogue de Bordeau-Neapolatin Mastiff Ultimate Mastiff
English Bull-Walker-French Bulldog Free-Lance Bulldog
English Pointer-Golden Retriever American Gointer
English Shepherd-Dakota Shep Foundation Dakota Shepherd
English Toy Spaniel-Poodle Eng-A-Poo
English Springer Spaniel-Lab Labradinger
French Bulldog-Pekingese American Bullnese
French Bulldog-Pug Frenchie Pug


German Shepherd Dog-Poodle Shepadoodle
Giant Schnauzer-Poodle Giant Schnoodle
Golden Retriever-Irish Setter Golden Irish
Golden Retriever-Labrador Golden Labrador
Golden Retriever-Poodle Goldendoodle
Golden Retriever-Siberian Husky Goberian
Golden Retriever-Weimaraner Goldmaraner
Havanese-Maltese Havamalt
Havanese-Poodle Poovanese
Havanese-Shih Tzu Havashu
Italian Greyhound-Poodle Pootalian
Italian Greyhound-Pug Puggit
Jack Russell Terrier-MinPin Minnie Jack
Jack Russell Terrier-Poodle Jack-A-Poo
Jack Russell Terrier-Rat Terrier Jack-Rat Terrier
Jack Russell Terrier-Silky Terrier Silky Jack
Japanese Chin-Maltese Jatese
Japanese Chin-Papillon Japillon
Japanese Chin-Pekinese Japeke
Japanese Chin-Pomeranian Chineranian
Japanese Chin-Poodle Poochin
Japanese Chin-Shih Tzu Jatzu
Japanese Chin-Toy Fox Terrier Jafox
Japanese Chin-Westie Jaland
Japanese Chin-Yorkshire Terrier Jarkie
Labradoodle-Golden Retriever Golden Labradoodle
Labrador Retriever-Pointer Pointing Lab
Labrador Retriever-Poodle Labradoodle
Labrador Retriever-Vizsla Labralas
Labrador Retriever-Weimaraner Labmaraner
Lhasa Apso-Maltese Lhatese
Lhasa Apso-Pekingese Lhasanese
Lhasa Apso-Poodle Lhasa-Poo
Lhasa Apso-Shih Tzu Shih Apso
Lhasa Apso-West Highland White Terrier Westie-Laso
Lhasa Apso-Yorkshire Terreir Yorkie-Apso
Maltese-MinSchnauzer Mauzer
Maltese-Papillon Malton
Maltese-Pekingese Peke-A-Tese
Maltese-Pomeranian Pomanees
Maltese-Poodle Malt-A-Poo
Maltese-Shih Tzu Mal-Shi
Maltese-Silky Terrier Silkese
Maltese-Westie Highland Maltie
Maltese-Yorkshire Terrier Malkie
MinPinscher-Pekingese Peke-A-Pin
MinPinscher-Pomeranian Pineranian
MinPinscher-Poodle Pinny-Poo
MinPinscher-Pug Muggin
MinPinscher-Rat Terrier Rat-A-Pin
MinPinscher-Wire Fox Terrier Wire Fox Pinscher
MinSchnauzer-Maltese Malzer
MinSchnauzer-Poodle Schnoodle
MinSchnauzer-Shiba Inu Schnu
MinSchnauzer-Shih Tzu Schnau-Tzu
MinSchnauzer-Silky Terrier Silkzer
MinSchnauzer-Welsh Terrier Wowauzer
MinSchnauzer-Westie Wauzer
MinSchnauzer-Yorkie Snorkie
Ori-Pei -Pug Pug-A-Pei
Papillon-Pekingese Peke-A-Pap
Papillon-Pomeranian Paperanian
Papillon-Poodle Papi-Poo
Papillon-Shiba Inu Shi-Pom
Papillon-Shih Tzu Papastzu
Papillon-Yorkshire Terrier Yorkillon
Pekingese-Pomeranian Pominese
Pekingese-Poodle Peke-A-Poo
Pekingese-Pug Puginese
Pekingese-Shih Tzu Shinese
Pekingese-Silky Terrier Silkinese
Pekingese-Toy Fox Terrier Foxingese
Pekingese-Yorkie Yorkinese
Pomeranian-Poodle Pooranian
Pomeranian-Toy Fox Terrier Pom Terrier
Pomeranian-Shih Tzu Shiranian
Pomeranian-Silky Terrier Pom-Silk
Pomeranian-West Highland White Terrier Weeranian
Pomeranian-Yorkshire Terrier Yoranian
Poodle-Pug Pug-A-Poo
Poodle-Saint Bernard Saint Berdoodle
Poodle-Schipperke Schipper-Poo
Poodle-Scottish Terrier Scoodle
Poodle-Shiba Inu Poo-Shi
Poodle-Shih Tzu Shih-Poo
Poodle-Silky Terrier Poolky
Poodle-Skye Terrier Skypoo
Poodle-Soft Coated Wheaton Whoodle
Poodle-Toy Fox Terrier Foodle
Poodle-Weimaraner Weimardoodle
Poodle-Welsh Terrier Woodle
Poodle-Westie Wee-Poo
Poodle-Yorkie Yorkie-Poo
Pug-Shih Tzu Pug-Zu
Pug-Westie Pugland
Pug-Yorkie Pugshire
Rottweiler-St. Bernard St. Weiler
Scottish Terrier-Silky Terrier Skilky Terrier
Scottish Terrier-Westie Scoland Terrier
Shih Tzu-Toy Fox Terrier Fo-Tzu
Shih Tzu-Westie Weshi
Shih Tzu-Silky Terrier Silky Tzu
Siberian Husky-Timber Wolf Siber Wolf

Toy Fox Terrier-Yorkshire Terrier Torkie
Welsh Terrier-Wire Fox Terrier Wirelsh Terrier
Westie-Shih Tzu Weshi
Westie-Silky Terrier Silkland Terrier
Westie-Yorkshire Terrier FourcheTerrier**
Yorkshire Terrier-Shih Tzu Shorkie Tzu

 

[JennSLK]

They just dont have a point. Thats whats wrong

 

[FoxyWench]

well there are alot of breeds that dont seem to have a point...

ie any breed thats "ONLY" a companion dog...

personally i think companionship is an extreemly important "JOB"

and if these dogs only jobs is to look like wolves and be someone companions, id rather have these than someone trying to make the same thing of a wolf...

i cant say i agree with "hybridization" because i certainly do NOT
however i can see a plus to this breed, AND there one of the few groups trying to creat a hybird that are doing it the right way, developing a standard, thye keep a stud book, health testing and ive yet to see a litter of them advertised for sale in any newspaper so im hoping each breeder has a waiting list...

if your gonna do it at least do it right...

 

[orbit86]

looks like a skinny siberian husky too me or a alaskian husky.. I seen Wolves and Wolves are 3 times bigger than that

 

[Dizzy]

Sorry Leslie + Chessies but you would offend alot of utonagon and NI breeders by saying that. Do you actually understand the breed? They are not crosses of 2 dogs (like ALL the listed above).. They are a breed in their own right and have listed pedigrees.

Perhaps reading this website will give you some insight :

http://www.utonagan.net/

 

[Leslie + Chessies]

I have been to that site. This is what I learned:

*The "breed" is only 18 years old (just like the labradoodle).

*Instead of two purebred dogs, this "breed" is a mix of three, German Shepherd, Malamute and Husky.

*There is no posted standard on the site because puppy purchasers may not "know about or understand the real standard"

*Judging from the FAQ, it is quite common for the dogs to deviate from the "standard" (curly tail, patchy coloring).

A breed is not a breed until it breeds true consistently. Looks like the Utonagon has many more decades (or centuries) to go. Just like the Labradoodle.

 

[Dizzy]

right.. But UNLIKE the "breeds" you listed, it is in progress, and not just a mix.

It is totally different.

 

[Leslie + Chessies]

right.. But UNLIKE the "breeds" you listed, it is in progress, and not just a mix.

It is totally different.

It is a mix- German Shepherd, Husky and Malamute.

You can say that with anyone trying to create a new breed. To many, a labradoodle is a work in progress.

 

[Dizzy]

AND there one of the few groups trying to creat a hybird that are doing it the right way, developing a standard, thye keep a stud book, health testing and ive yet to see a litter of them advertised for sale in any newspaper so im hoping each breeder has a waiting list...

if your gonna do it at least do it right...

Totally

Why not develop new breeds, as long as it is done correctly. There is a distinction between bunging two dogs together that are cute, and breeding for a specific goal (a wolf dog with no wolf or comapanion or other).

 

[Dizzy]

It is a mix- German Shepherd, Husky and Malamute.

Quote taken from utonagon.net:

Around 18years ago the breeds used were the German Shepherd, Malamute and Siberian Husky. All of these breeds played a vital part in producing the Utonagan you see today. This breed of dog is now probably the closest you will come to the "look" of the wolf, and although none of the above breeds are now used, our members will breed only from careful selection of the finest quality stud dogs and brood bitches.

 

[Amstaffer]

Malamute is not "Wolfy" enough? I know there are differences in looks between Malamutes and Wolves but how much closer in looks does someone need? If you get away from show malamutes you can find some Malamutes who are pretty dang close to wolves (looks wise). Plus they are great dogs

 

[Dizzy]

Apparently not!

I think the NI's and utonagons are definately more wolf like in appearance....

Utonagon

Malamute

Wolf!

 

[zoe08]

I have been to that site. This is what I learned:

*The "breed" is only 18 years old (just like the labradoodle).

The labradoodle has to be much older than that Im sure. People have had "mutts" since there became different breeds of dogs. They may have just starting calling them a fancy name 18 years ago. A labradoodle is not a breed (IMO) It is a mutt between 2 full bred dogs of different breeds.

They continue just breeding from labs and poodles then there really is no "line" of labradoodles.

This to me is very different because they trying to create a breed, not a mutt. By breeding the mixed dogs instead of starting over from full breds everytime. At least from what I have read this is what I understand as to what they are doing. I am not saying whether or not I agree with it, right now Im not sure. But I am pointing out the difference.

 

[Leslie + Chessies]

Quote taken from utonagon.net:

And your point being???
Labradoodles are bred to labradoodles also...neither of the original breeds (Lab, Poodle) are now used in the Australian Labradoodle line (the one wanting AKC recognition). And it seems both "breeds" don't consistantly breed true to standard.

http://www.dreamwolvez.com/pure-bred-vs-mixed-breed-part-two.html

 

[Leslie + Chessies]

The labradoodle has to be much older than that Im sure. People have had "mutts" since there became different breeds of dogs. They may have just starting calling them a fancy name 18 years ago. A labradoodle is not a breed (IMO) It is a mutt between 2 full bred dogs of different breeds.

They continue just breeding from labs and poodles then there really is no "line" of labradoodles.

This to me is very different because they trying to create a breed, not a mutt. By breeding the mixed dogs instead of starting over from full breds everytime. At least from what I have read this is what I understand as to what they are doing. I am not saying whether or not I agree with it, right now Im not sure. But I am pointing out the difference.

No, you are mistaken. Many BYB simply breed labs to poodles, but there is a dedicated group of breeders who are trying to establish the Australian Labradoodle breed and have been breeding Labradoodles to Labradoodles for some time now. Much like the Utonagan breeders.

http://www.australianlabradoodleclub.us/default.asp

 

[Dizzy]

And your point being???

You answered it yourself...!

No, you are mistaken. Many BYB simply breed labs to poodles, but there is a dedicated group of breeders who are trying to establish the Australian Labradoodle breed and have been breeding Labradoodles to Labradoodles for some time now. Much like the Utonagan breeders.

They are dedicated to their chosen breed. They believe in what they are doing, and are striving to achieve a standard and recognition. I say good luck to them! Stunning dogs and a great idea.

 

[Leslie + Chessies]

but it isn't a breed. It's a mix.

 

[Dizzy]

lol...

Not any more!

All dogs are mixes, if we are going to take that route!

When did your retriever stop being a mix?