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  1. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    Yes - gorgeous looking dogs.

    And why not develop new breeds? Yes, there are plenty, so another one or two won't hurt. And as far as I am aware, they are not just plonking 2 dogs together, it is done just like you would breed any pedigree.
     
  2. Leslie + Chessies

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    How about another couple hundred? I don't think it's okay....

    AMERICAN CANINE HYBRID CLUB HYBRID BREEDS

    Affenpinsher-Poodle Affenpoo
    Afghan Hound-Rottweiler Rottaf
    Alaskan Malamute-Timber Wolf Wolamute – not registered with ACHC
    (Wolamute Club of America)
    American Bull Dog-Boxer Bulloxer
    American Bull Dog-Bull Terrier BD Terrier
    American Bull Dog-Bulldog EngAm Bulldog / Olde Bulldog
    American Bull Dog-Dogue De Bordeaux American Bull Dogue De
    Bordeaux
    American Eskimo-Basset Hound Baskimo
    American Eskimo-Beagle Bekimo
    American Eskimo-Cocker Spaniel Cock-A-Mo
    American Eskimo-Lhasa Apso Kimola
    American Eskimo-Pomeranian Pomimo
    American Eskimo-Pomeranian Pomimo
    American Eskimo-Poodle Pookimo
    American Eskimo-Shetland Sheepdog Eskland
    American Eskimo-Shih Tzu Shih-Mo
    American Ori-Pei – Pug Pug-A-Pei
    American Pit Bull Terrier-Bulldog Old English Bulldogge
    American Rat Terrier-Boston Terrier Brat
    American Rat Terrier-Pug Puggat
    American Rat Terrier-MinPinscher American Rat Pinscher
    American Rat Terrier-Shih Tzu Ratshi Terrier
    American Staffordshire Terrier-Bulldog Old English Bulldogge
    Australian Shepherd-Labrador Retriever Sheprador
    Australian Shepherd-Poodle Aussie-Poo
    Australian Terrier-Jack Russell Terrier Rustralian Terrier
    Basset-Beagle Bagle Hound
    Basset-Boston Terrier Basston
    Basset-Dachshund Basschshund
    Basset-Miniature Schnauzer Bowzer
    Basset-Pug Bassugg
    Basset-Shih Tzu Tzu-Basset
    Basset-Shar Pei Ba-Shar
    Beagle-Bearded Collie Beacol
    Beagle-Bichon Frise Glechon
    Beagle-Boston Terrier Boglen Terrier
    Beagle-Brussels Griffon Bea Griffon
    Beagle-Cavalier King Charles Keagle
    Beagle-Doberman Pinscher Beagleman
    Beagle-French Bulldog Frengle
    Beagle-Jack Russell Terrier Jack-A-Bee
    Beagle-Boxer Bogle
    Beagle-Cocker Spaniel Bocker
    Beagle-Dachshund Doxle
    Beagle-Golden Retriever Beago
    Beagle-Labrador Retriever Labbe
    Beagle-MinPin Meagle
    Beagle-Pekingese Peagle
    Beagle-Poodle Poogle
    Beagle-Pug Puggle
    Bearded Collie-Dalmatian Bodacion
    Bernese Mountain Dog-Border Collie Bordernese
    Belgian Malinois-German Shepherd Dog Malinois X
    Bichon Frise-Cairn Terrier Kashon
    Bichon Frise-Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Cavachon --only
    Cavachon Club
    Bichon Frise-Chihuahua Chi-Chon
    Bichon Frise-Chinese Crested Chinese Frise
    Bichon Frise-Cocker Spaniel Cock-A-Chon
    Bichon Frise-Coton de Tulear Biton
    Bichon Frsie-Havanese Havachon
    Bichon Frise-Japanese Chin Ja-Chon
    Bichon Frise-Lhasa Apso La-Chon
    Bichon Frise-Maltese Maltichon
    Bichon Frise-Miniature Schnauzer Chonzer
    Bichon Frise-Papillon Papichon
    Bichon Frise-Pekingese Peke-A-Chon
    Bichon Frise-Pomeranian Bichon-A-Ranian
    Bichon Frise-Poodle Poochon
    Bichon Frise-Silky Terrier Silkchon
    Bichon Frise-Shih Tzu Zuchon
    Bichon Frise-Toy Fox Terrier Fo-Chon
    Bichon Frise-Westie Wee-Chon
    Bichon Frise-Yorkshire Terrier Yo-Chon
    Biewer-Yorkshire Terrier Biewer Yorkie
    Border Collie-Labrador Retriever Borador
    Boston Terrier-French Bulldog Faux Frenchbo Bulldog
    Boston Terrier-Bulldog English Boston Bulldog
    Boston Terrier-Chinese Shar-Pei Sharbo
    Boston Terrier-MinPin Bospin
    Boston Terrier-MinSchnauzer Miniboz
    Boston Terrier-Papillon Bostillon
    Boston Terrier-Pekingese Bostinese
    Boston Terrier-Pug Buggs
    Boston Terrier-Shih Tzu BoShih
    Boston Terrier-Toy Fox Terrier Foxton
    Boxer-Bulldog Bull Boxer
    Brussels Griffon-English Toy Spaniel English Toy Griffon
    Brussels Griffon-Lhasa Apso Lhaffon
    Brussels Griffon-Pekingese Griffonese
    Brussels Griffon-Poodle Broodle Griffon
    Brussels Griffon-Rat Terrier Rattle Griffon
    Brussels Griffon-Shih Tzu Shiffon
    Bulldog-Dalmatian Bullmatian
    Bulldog-Olde Bulldog ge Victorian Bulldogge
    Bulldog-Pug Miniature Bulldog
    Bulldog-Treeing Walker English Bull-Walker
    Cairn Terrier-Maltese Cairmal
    Cairn Terrier-Poodle Poocan
    Cairn Terrier-Shih Tzu Care-Tzu
    Cairn Terrier-Westie Cairland Terrier
    Cairn Terrier-Yorkshire Terrier Corkie
    Cantel (Cantel Club of America) Cantel
    Cantel-Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Cavacan
    Cavachon (Cavachon Club of America) Cavachon
    Cavachon-Poodle Cavachon-Poo
    Cavachon-Maltese Malton
    Cavachon-Shih Tzu Cavazoo
    Cavalier King Charles-Cocker Spaniel Cockalier
    Cavalier King Charles-Coton de Tulear Cavaton
    Cavalier King Charles-English Toy Spaniel English King Spaniel
    Cavalier King Charles-Lhasa Apso Lhasalier
    Cavalier King Charles-Maltese Cav-A-Malt
    Cavalier King Charles-Papillon Cava-lon
    Cavalier King Charles-Poodle Cavapoo
    Cavalier King Charles-Shih Tzu Cava-Tzu
    Chihuahua-Corgi
    Chihuahua-Dalmation Chimation
    Chihuahua-Dachshund Chiweenie
    Chihuahua-Jack Russell Terrier Jack Chi
    Chihuahua-Japanese Chin Chin-wa
    Chihuahua-Maltese Malchi
    Chihuahua-MinPin Chipin
    Chihuahua-Papillon Chion
    Chihuahua-Pekingese Cheeks
    Chihuahua-Pomeranian Chiranian
    Chihuahua-Poodle Wapoo
    Chihuahua-Pug Chug
    Chihuahua-Rat Terrier Rat-Cha
    Chihuahua-Shih Tzu ShiChi
    Chihuahua-Toy Fox Terrier Taco Terrier
    Chihuahua-Yorkshire Terrier Chorkie
    Chinese Crested-Havanese Crested Havanese
    Chinese Crested-Maltese Crested Malt
    Chinese Crested-Miniature Schnauzer Crested Schnauzer
    Chinese Crested-Pomeranian Chinaranian
    Chinese Crested-Poodle Poochis
    Chinese Crested-Pug Pugese
    Chinese Shar Pei-Basset Hound Basshar Pei
    Chinese Shar Pei-Pug Ori-Pei
     
  3. Leslie + Chessies

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    Cock-A-Poo –Lhasa Apso Lacasapoo
    Cocker Spaniel-Coton de Tulear Cocker-Ton
    Cocker Spaniel-English Cocker Spaniel Colonial Cocker Spaniel
    Cocker Spaniel-English Toy Spaniel English Toy Cocker Spaniel
    Cocker Spaniel-Golden Retriever Cogol
    Cocker Spaniel-Lhasa Apso Lha-Cocker
    Cocker Spaniel-Min Australian Shepherd Cotralian
    Cocker Spaniel-MinPinscher Cockapin
    Cocker Spaniel-MinSchnauzer Schnocker
    Cocker Spaniel-Pekingese Cockinese
    Cocker Spaniel-Pomeranian Cockeranian
    Cocker Spaniel-Poodle Cock-A-Poo
    Cocker Spaniel-Shiba Inu Shocker
    Cocker Spaniel-Toy Fox Terrier Foxker
    Cocker Spaniel-Yorkie Corkie
    Collie-Poodle Cadoodle
    Coton De Tulear-Poodle Poo-Ton
    Coton De Tulear-Shih Tzu Coton Tzu
    Dachshund-Maltese Mauxie
    Dachshund-Miniature Schnauzer Miniature Schnoxie
    Dachshund-Papillon Papshund
    Dachshund-Pembroke Welsh Corgi Dorgi
    Dachshund-Pomeranian Dameranian
    Dachshund-Poodle Doodle
    Dachshund-Scottish Terrier Doxie Scot
    Dachshund-Shih Tzu Schweenie
    Dachshund-Yorkshire Terrier Dorkie
    Dalmatian-Golden Retriever Goldmation
    Doberman Pinscher-Poodle Doodleman Pinscher
    Dogue de Bordeau-Neapolatin Mastiff Ultimate Mastiff
    English Bull-Walker-French Bulldog Free-Lance Bulldog
    English Pointer-Golden Retriever American Gointer
    English Shepherd-Dakota Shep Foundation Dakota Shepherd
    English Toy Spaniel-Poodle Eng-A-Poo
    English Springer Spaniel-Lab Labradinger
    French Bulldog-Pekingese American Bullnese
    French Bulldog-Pug Frenchie Pug


    German Shepherd Dog-Poodle Shepadoodle
    Giant Schnauzer-Poodle Giant Schnoodle
    Golden Retriever-Irish Setter Golden Irish
    Golden Retriever-Labrador Golden Labrador
    Golden Retriever-Poodle Goldendoodle
    Golden Retriever-Siberian Husky Goberian
    Golden Retriever-Weimaraner Goldmaraner
    Havanese-Maltese Havamalt
    Havanese-Poodle Poovanese
    Havanese-Shih Tzu Havashu
    Italian Greyhound-Poodle Pootalian
    Italian Greyhound-Pug Puggit
    Jack Russell Terrier-MinPin Minnie Jack
    Jack Russell Terrier-Poodle Jack-A-Poo
    Jack Russell Terrier-Rat Terrier Jack-Rat Terrier
    Jack Russell Terrier-Silky Terrier Silky Jack
    Japanese Chin-Maltese Jatese
    Japanese Chin-Papillon Japillon
    Japanese Chin-Pekinese Japeke
    Japanese Chin-Pomeranian Chineranian
    Japanese Chin-Poodle Poochin
    Japanese Chin-Shih Tzu Jatzu
    Japanese Chin-Toy Fox Terrier Jafox
    Japanese Chin-Westie Jaland
    Japanese Chin-Yorkshire Terrier Jarkie
    Labradoodle-Golden Retriever Golden Labradoodle
    Labrador Retriever-Pointer Pointing Lab
    Labrador Retriever-Poodle Labradoodle
    Labrador Retriever-Vizsla Labralas
    Labrador Retriever-Weimaraner Labmaraner
    Lhasa Apso-Maltese Lhatese
    Lhasa Apso-Pekingese Lhasanese
    Lhasa Apso-Poodle Lhasa-Poo
    Lhasa Apso-Shih Tzu Shih Apso
    Lhasa Apso-West Highland White Terrier Westie-Laso
    Lhasa Apso-Yorkshire Terreir Yorkie-Apso
    Maltese-MinSchnauzer Mauzer
    Maltese-Papillon Malton
    Maltese-Pekingese Peke-A-Tese
    Maltese-Pomeranian Pomanees
    Maltese-Poodle Malt-A-Poo
    Maltese-Shih Tzu Mal-Shi
    Maltese-Silky Terrier Silkese
    Maltese-Westie Highland Maltie
    Maltese-Yorkshire Terrier Malkie
    MinPinscher-Pekingese Peke-A-Pin
    MinPinscher-Pomeranian Pineranian
    MinPinscher-Poodle Pinny-Poo
    MinPinscher-Pug Muggin
    MinPinscher-Rat Terrier Rat-A-Pin
    MinPinscher-Wire Fox Terrier Wire Fox Pinscher
    MinSchnauzer-Maltese Malzer
    MinSchnauzer-Poodle Schnoodle
    MinSchnauzer-Shiba Inu Schnu
    MinSchnauzer-Shih Tzu Schnau-Tzu
    MinSchnauzer-Silky Terrier Silkzer
    MinSchnauzer-Welsh Terrier Wowauzer
    MinSchnauzer-Westie Wauzer
    MinSchnauzer-Yorkie Snorkie
    Ori-Pei -Pug Pug-A-Pei
    Papillon-Pekingese Peke-A-Pap
    Papillon-Pomeranian Paperanian
    Papillon-Poodle Papi-Poo
    Papillon-Shiba Inu Shi-Pom
    Papillon-Shih Tzu Papastzu
    Papillon-Yorkshire Terrier Yorkillon
    Pekingese-Pomeranian Pominese
    Pekingese-Poodle Peke-A-Poo
    Pekingese-Pug Puginese
    Pekingese-Shih Tzu Shinese
    Pekingese-Silky Terrier Silkinese
    Pekingese-Toy Fox Terrier Foxingese
    Pekingese-Yorkie Yorkinese
    Pomeranian-Poodle Pooranian
    Pomeranian-Toy Fox Terrier Pom Terrier
    Pomeranian-Shih Tzu Shiranian
    Pomeranian-Silky Terrier Pom-Silk
    Pomeranian-West Highland White Terrier Weeranian
    Pomeranian-Yorkshire Terrier Yoranian
    Poodle-Pug Pug-A-Poo
    Poodle-Saint Bernard Saint Berdoodle
    Poodle-Schipperke Schipper-Poo
    Poodle-Scottish Terrier Scoodle
    Poodle-Shiba Inu Poo-Shi
    Poodle-Shih Tzu Shih-Poo
    Poodle-Silky Terrier Poolky
    Poodle-Skye Terrier Skypoo
    Poodle-Soft Coated Wheaton Whoodle
    Poodle-Toy Fox Terrier Foodle
    Poodle-Weimaraner Weimardoodle
    Poodle-Welsh Terrier Woodle
    Poodle-Westie Wee-Poo
    Poodle-Yorkie Yorkie-Poo
    Pug-Shih Tzu Pug-Zu
    Pug-Westie Pugland
    Pug-Yorkie Pugshire
    Rottweiler-St. Bernard St. Weiler
    Scottish Terrier-Silky Terrier Skilky Terrier
    Scottish Terrier-Westie Scoland Terrier
    Shih Tzu-Toy Fox Terrier Fo-Tzu
    Shih Tzu-Westie Weshi
    Shih Tzu-Silky Terrier Silky Tzu
    Siberian Husky-Timber Wolf Siber Wolf

    Toy Fox Terrier-Yorkshire Terrier Torkie
    Welsh Terrier-Wire Fox Terrier Wirelsh Terrier
    Westie-Shih Tzu Weshi
    Westie-Silky Terrier Silkland Terrier
    Westie-Yorkshire Terrier FourcheTerrier**
    Yorkshire Terrier-Shih Tzu Shorkie Tzu
     
  4. JennSLK

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    They just dont have a point. Thats whats wrong
     
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    well there are alot of breeds that dont seem to have a point...

    ie any breed thats "ONLY" a companion dog...

    personally i think companionship is an extreemly important "JOB"

    and if these dogs only jobs is to look like wolves and be someone companions, id rather have these than someone trying to make the same thing of a wolf...

    i cant say i agree with "hybridization" because i certainly do NOT
    however i can see a plus to this breed, AND there one of the few groups trying to creat a hybird that are doing it the right way, developing a standard, thye keep a stud book, health testing and ive yet to see a litter of them advertised for sale in any newspaper so im hoping each breeder has a waiting list...

    if your gonna do it at least do it right...
     
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    looks like a skinny siberian husky too me or a alaskian husky.. I seen Wolves and Wolves are 3 times bigger than that
     
  7. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    Sorry Leslie + Chessies but you would offend alot of utonagon and NI breeders by saying that. Do you actually understand the breed? They are not crosses of 2 dogs (like ALL the listed above).. They are a breed in their own right and have listed pedigrees.

    Perhaps reading this website will give you some insight :

    http://www.utonagan.net/
     
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    I have been to that site. This is what I learned:

    *The "breed" is only 18 years old (just like the labradoodle).

    *Instead of two purebred dogs, this "breed" is a mix of three, German Shepherd, Malamute and Husky.

    *There is no posted standard on the site because puppy purchasers may not "know about or understand the real standard"

    *Judging from the FAQ, it is quite common for the dogs to deviate from the "standard" (curly tail, patchy coloring).

    A breed is not a breed until it breeds true consistently. Looks like the Utonagon has many more decades (or centuries) to go. Just like the Labradoodle.
     
  9. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    right.. But UNLIKE the "breeds" you listed, it is in progress, and not just a mix.

    It is totally different.
     
  10. Leslie + Chessies

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    It is a mix- German Shepherd, Husky and Malamute.

    You can say that with anyone trying to create a new breed. To many, a labradoodle is a work in progress.
     
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    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    Totally :D

    Why not develop new breeds, as long as it is done correctly. There is a distinction between bunging two dogs together that are cute, and breeding for a specific goal (a wolf dog with no wolf or comapanion or other).
     
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    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    Quote taken from utonagon.net:

     
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    Malamute is not "Wolfy" enough? I know there are differences in looks between Malamutes and Wolves but how much closer in looks does someone need? If you get away from show malamutes you can find some Malamutes who are pretty dang close to wolves (looks wise). Plus they are great dogs
     
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    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    Apparently not!

    I think the NI's and utonagons are definately more wolf like in appearance....

    Utonagon

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    Malamute

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    Wolf! :D

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    The labradoodle has to be much older than that Im sure. People have had "mutts" since there became different breeds of dogs. They may have just starting calling them a fancy name 18 years ago. A labradoodle is not a breed (IMO) It is a mutt between 2 full bred dogs of different breeds.

    They continue just breeding from labs and poodles then there really is no "line" of labradoodles.

    This to me is very different because they trying to create a breed, not a mutt. By breeding the mixed dogs instead of starting over from full breds everytime. At least from what I have read this is what I understand as to what they are doing. I am not saying whether or not I agree with it, right now Im not sure. But I am pointing out the difference.
     
  16. Leslie + Chessies

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    And your point being???
    Labradoodles are bred to labradoodles also...neither of the original breeds (Lab, Poodle) are now used in the Australian Labradoodle line (the one wanting AKC recognition). And it seems both "breeds" don't consistantly breed true to standard.

    http://www.dreamwolvez.com/pure-bred-vs-mixed-breed-part-two.html
     
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    No, you are mistaken. Many BYB simply breed labs to poodles, but there is a dedicated group of breeders who are trying to establish the Australian Labradoodle breed and have been breeding Labradoodles to Labradoodles for some time now. Much like the Utonagan breeders.

    http://www.australianlabradoodleclub.us/default.asp
     
  18. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    You answered it yourself...!


    They are dedicated to their chosen breed. They believe in what they are doing, and are striving to achieve a standard and recognition. I say good luck to them! Stunning dogs and a great idea.
     
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    but it isn't a breed. It's a mix.
     
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    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    lol...

    Not any more!

    All dogs are mixes, if we are going to take that route!

    When did your retriever stop being a mix?
     

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