H1N1 shot...for your dog?

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  1. Debi

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    the other night we were watching the news, when they had a story that stated we MUST get our dogs the H1N1 shot a.s.a.p. we look at each other...dumbfounded. didn't know it was available for all the masses, why is it suddenly there for dogs?? not sure I want the vaccine, but I can say with a pretty good certainty we won't be getting it for the dogs. anyone else hearing this latest hype? never got any other type of flu shot for the dogs. heck...I've never even had a dog with a 'cold'. I'm confused as to the necessity of it?
     
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    I had a dog with a horrible cold once ....All I wanted to do was blow his nose !
     
  3. 2pups622

    2pups622 Soon to Be 4 Pups!!

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    I saw it on the new today There saying it's an outbreak & pretty bad. My guy's don't go near other dog's especially dog's we don't know so i won't be getting the shot But they say if your dog come's in contact with other dog's to get the shot, It's HIGHLY contagious.

    Oh they say it started out at the greyhound races & spread to boarding places and daycare's & now to shelters.
     
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    nobody is missing out on this great opportunity to make billions and billions of dollars. You think they're crazy? They aren't generating all this hype for nothing, they're going to take advantage of it.

    I feel sorry for all the pets and people that are going to roll up their sleeves and be guinea pigs.

    and yes the human one has been approved safe and effective by the FDA as of a week ago, after testing for 5 weeks. Bravo, I say, Bravo.
     
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    You sure it's H1N1? There's H3N8 which is considered the 'dog flu' and found primarily in the New York area but has been seen in Pennsylvania and Colorado as well (though the Colorado is probably an outlier and from someone flying in from NY). It's making the rounds as well.

    Anyhow the current H1N1 strains can't nor has it been shown to make the jump to dogs, cats, or any other domesticated animal sans pigs and birds (and birds are just asymptommatic carriers).
     
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    Yes this is probably it.
     
  7. Debi

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    GO...they said specifically it was for H1N1, and that our dogs were as likely to get it (and die, of course...they love hyping the dying part) I'm in PA, so I would hope that is what they meant, and they just got carried away with the swine flu hype. altho, I still don't see me giving my dogs any vaccines they don't need anyway. they aren't exposed to other dogs..ever. (which I assume is how it spreads?) I was hoping you'd weigh in on this...thanks!
     
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    WEll Chazzers said it would be a bad idea for me to get the vaccine for myself so I didn't do it. Guess i will hope they are right and not get it for the dogs either.
     
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    dogsarebetter EVIL SHELTIES!!!!

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    I dont see me giving the shot to my dogs. i think i would rather keep them away from other dogs for the time being
     
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    why take our word for it? or your Doc's for that matter. It's your body, YOU have to decide what is right. I'm confident in my decision for lots of reasons.

    Unplugged: H1N1 Vaccine Dangers - CBS News Video

    Here's a very level headed discussion on the real dangers of swine flu. Take 10 minutes and watch it.

    and back to the OP, I wasn't aware that H1N1 had made the jump to dogs, but most in the general population don't differentiate between different flu's, they hear the word and it means the same. There's lots of hype about the flu this time of year anyway, now throw in the swine flu hysteria, it's easy to get the dogs in there too. Regardless of the strain.
     
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    I already got your point. and yes, I will even agree as to the hype of flu hysteria. but I didn't just pull this from my behind, I asked only because it was a news story. OK...I ALSO GET THAT THEY HYPE CRAP. I have a brain. but I wondered what other dog owners thought, if they heard of such a thing, and wanted their opinions.

    as to your vid...I don't make decisions lightly, so I don't need some video you posted to sway me. thanks anyway. :)
     
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    what? who mentioned anything about a behind and pulling stuff from there?

    the video wasn't posted for "you" and it isn't meant to sway anybody. it's about the only logical common sense media piece i could find and though people could benefit from seeing it.

    i almost feel like I should pull out a peeing on cheerios reference again.
     
  13. Debi

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    sorry. it seemed that you had a point that you made, release the hounds, then got defensive when it wasn't the end of the discussion. that vid is one of many 'level headed discussions' about swine flu out there. that's cool that you posted it. doesn't mean it is the absolute to anything, especially since there is so much unknown at this point. I'm also glad you are confident in your personal decision regarding what you choose to believe. I'm not just taking 'our word for it', or 'my docs'...altho this was actually a question as to if anyone heard of it for their dog, not ME. I'm sure most people know the differences between seasonal flu and this H1N1..please. so don't take such offense. I am merely wanting to hear what most dog owners think..what they have heard (if anything) on the subject.

    yes, I'm always aware of the big pharm companies wanting to make the big bucks, too. that isn't something we all don't know already.
     
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    Whatever. I'm getting the vaccine. Every vaccine has its risks and benefits. People who are susceptible to illness should get it. Medical providers should get it - after all, if all our nation's medical providers had to take 7-10 days off work because they have the swine flu, that could be a crisis. I'm getting it.

    As for dogs, I haven't heard. But they have to be boarded twice in October so I'm at least looking into it.

    smkie, I don't know who told you not to get it, but at least please do your own research and decide for yourself.
     
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    what?

    i think you really misinterpreted me

    smkie took the attitude that "we" told her not to get it so she didn't and she just hopes we're right. Well that's a defeatist attitude and it doesn't get people very far.

    So I said don't take our word for it, or your doc's, get informed

    i posted a video that was pretty accurate, rather than a nightly news bit about all the kids dying. ( 36 in total, only 2 of whom did not have a neurodevlopmental condition or underlying heart and lung problem).

    somebody made a comment about h1n1 jumping to dogs, I wasn't aware that it had. Isn't that what you were asking for? I haven't heard anything about it. But I do know that when the "flu" is on everyone's mind and in the news, it doesn't matter what kind it is, avian, swine, canine, whatever, if they can put it out there at the same time, it gets absorbed the same. It's a brilliant marketing strategy. It's not scientific by any means, but I wouldn't be suprised if 50% of the people bringing in their dogs for "flu" shots are thinking it will protect them from the flu they might get.
     
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    two people this week in my county died from swine flu. one a healthy 42 yr. old woman, the other a healthy 27 yr. old man. it was confirmed (took over two weeks for lab confirmation) listen..I'm not all hysterical about it, but I do have to ask questions. this news story about dogs getting it from humans sort of took me by surprise. it wasn't even something I'd consider. I wouldn't be the person running to the vet due to news hype, yet it doesn't hurt to ask what other dog owners have heard or think.

    release the hounds, it may very well be all bunk. or it may very well be scientific. guess we won't know until it's over, will we? still..it isn't prudent to assume we are all stupid for not thinking it's marketing, as well as it isn't prudent to assume we all have to panic.

    it's just not a bad idea to ask a question now and then.
     
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    To date, there is no known dog/cat to human or vice versa transmissions.
     
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    That's bullshit, or misunderstanding (on their part). They were either told about H3N8 and assumed the person meant H1N1 (since it's the big thing right now) or they're just making **** up. There are no cases of H1N1 in dogs, or cats, and it can't be transferred even via injecting the virus directly into the dog/cat.

    The closest thing to infecting domestic animals (aside from the pig of course) is that the newest strains are getting pretty good at stealing plasmids and other DNA bits from existing flu viruses and it could potentially start infecting dogs, cats, and the ilk, but it's more likely that it'll just pick up the bird flu strains (since it already has some affinity for the bird) and go that route. It's a lot easier to do from an evolutionary stand point.
     
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    thanks again, GO. :)
     
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    No documented cases of jumping to dogs/cats, and even if there were, they would NOT make the vaccine available for animals yet. They are still trying to roll out enough for people. However, I think other people have established that. Speaking of the dog flu, we have it in VA too.

    That said, H1N1 is not especially dangerous. Right now, it is posing two problems and one potential problem. The two real problems is that it is spreading like wildfire before flu season really starts, and the vaccine isn't ready to roll yet. The other problem is that 1% of the people in infects get really, really, really, sick. As in deathly ill. And those people aren't the people that the flu usually kills . . . they are often young adults. Here, in the US, they tend to pull through unless there is something else wrong with them. However, even if you catch it, you only have about a 1% chance of a dangerous illness . . . so there is no cause for panic.

    The third issue is that it may mutate and become more dangerous, which is one reason they want to vaccinate people . . . even if the mutation is dramatic, the vaccination will make you resistant, which is better than nothing. They also want to vaccinate people to avoid having to close schools/businesses if it spreads widely.
     

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