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I do not recomend pit bulls because they can be unstable. QUOTE]

Ummm....where did you find information about pitbulls being "Unstable"? I have found my dogs are the most stable breed I have ever been around! That includes Labs and Goldens (no offense to those people...just using them as a standard of Stableness)

I do agree they are poor guard dogs because they were never meant to be guard dogs, most pits don't bark much and generally like people to much. You usually have to abuse them to make them human aggressive. If you are using them to guard against coyotes...maybe then they would be ok. I know Someone who uses a Pitbull to guard a pheasant farm against foxes.

To the Original Poster-- I personally don't suggest you buy a Dog just for protection, sure many dogs will lay their life on the line for their beloved family but would you trade a family memebers life (thats what a dog is) to protect a TV that can be replaced?

I always hope that if someone breaks into my house that both my dogs run and hide....The only thing I own, that I cannot replace is my dogs.
 
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Ummm....where did you find information about pitbulls being "Unstable"? I have found my dogs are the most stable breed I have ever been around! That includes Labs and Goldens (no offense to those people...just using them as a standard of Stableness)
I did not word that right. You need to get a pit from a reputable breeder to make sure that you get one that is stable, because there are way to many breeders breeding for the wrong reason, the same goes for rotties. but those breeds are not for a first time owner.
 

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I did not word that right. You need to get a pit from a reputable breeder to make sure that you get one that is stable, because there are way to many breeders breeding for the wrong reason, the same goes for rotties. but those breeds are not for a first time owner.
Well I think we have had this discussion before but I must say that Pitbulls with poor breeding or no more unstable than any other breed. I have two, one from a litter rescued from a back yard fighting ring and one from champion show lines....They are both extremely stable. I have several friends with rescue pits that had bad back yard breeding and they are very stable. If raised in a stable and loving home the dog will be stable.

The main reason that Pits and Rotts are not for first time owners is because if you screw up and don't raise them right Problems are magnified. If you raise a Rat Terrier and you accidentlly encourage aggession you have an ankle biter, if you don't correctly socialize your Pit Bull....you have a front page news story. Also most people can't handle the prejudice and discrimination that comes with a Pit Bull.
 
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Well I think we have had this discussion before but I must say that Pitbulls with poor breeding or no more unstable than any other breed. I have two, one from a litter rescued from a back yard fighting ring and one from champion show lines....They are both extremely stable. I have several friends with rescue pits that had bad back yard breeding and they are very stable. If raised in a stable and loving home the dog will be stable.
I agree that any breed can be unstable. but you want to make sure that you find stable a dog, especially if its a large breed like rotties, pits, akitas, and many others, because they can enflict great bodily harm if they are not stable.
 

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an Akita or a Great Dane
No, not an Akita. Yes they are very loyal, but you can never take them to the park to play with other dogs, when they are older than puppies. Someone resently got one because he was told that they are good with children and other pets. They aren't and this one, I least heard was in a specialist rescue center for the breed.

Flat Coat Retreviers have a wonderful deep bark. Kenzo (one of the softest dogs I knew) when he barked it sounded like a mastif or something else equally large (but they do make terrible guide dogs, so make sure that you aren't blind...)

My Irish Setter rarely barks. She only barks if there are metal ladders around :rolleyes:

Old English Sheepdogs do need an awlful lot of grooming so don't get one unless you have loads of free time
 

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No, not an Akita. Yes they are very loyal, but you can never take them to the park to play with other dogs,
I don't know a lot about Akitas but I have seen several at the dog park and they seem to be find
 

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Akitas seem to only be okish with dogs they have grown up with in their house.
Even some well known experts have had problems. Like the time when his male dog said hello first to the wrong female and the Akita almost killed that female.
 

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Also:
Watch dog -- dog that barks at strangerrs, alerts owner, etc.
Guard dog -- dog that neutralizes, i.e. kill intruders.


So people dont confuse the two.
 

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oriondw said:
Also:
Watch dog -- dog that barks at strangerrs, alerts owner, etc.
Guard dog -- dog that neutralizes, i.e. kill intruders.


So people dont confuse the two.
Yea, Roxy is a Watch Dog. Obviously, she couldn't stop an intruder, but she would alert us.
Orion's dog is a Guard Dog. He would take care of the situation.
 
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I don't know a lot about Akitas but I have seen several at the dog park and they seem to be find
I have researched akitas a lot and most of them do not get along with other dogs, but some of them do get along with other dogs just fine (they will not back down from a fight!). aggression problems are common in the breed. they are very dominant, so they are not for inexperienced owners!
 

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akitas are dog aggressive. they are good with dogs they are raised with, some are okay with strange dogs but more are not. females suprisingly are worse about this than males. they are very hard headed/stubborn/dominant (I dont like that word, too many people use it way too loosely). they are not for an inexperienced owner.
if the main reason for acquiring a dog is to have an alarm or guardian, then all I can say is you should not have a dog.
that said, if you want a constant friend and companion who will live in your home with you and be allowed to spend as much time with you as possible, and you understand the enormous responsibility that goes with having a dog...get a watchdog not a guard dog.
first off, a guard dog is a dog that will attack a bad guy, bite and fight them and possibly kill them. owning a dog such as this requires a huge responsibility. you must contain them securely, and train them extremely well. also, a dog that is considered a guard dog is going to be inherently stubborn and willfull, as well as untrusting of any new people and a potential danger to any strangers.
a watchdog is any dog that barks or more to the point "watches) the property. this could be anything from the smallest chihuahua to the largest mastiff (though any breed CAN be willfull if not properly trained from an early age) as long as it barks, whines, growls, whistles, humms, bellows or whatever it feels like doing to get your attention. it does not have to be protective. a dog that barks will frighten off all but the most determined intruder.
more than 95% of home intrusions/break ins occur while the lights are off. the intruder assumes the residents are not home. a barking dog is certain to awaken any sleeping residents and even if the residents are not home, the barking dog might awaken neighbors who are home and would call the police upon seeing a suspiscious person next door. the barking dog could be a chihuahua or it could be a crazed/rabid/blood thirsty/highly trained attack dog who will take their head off if they break in.
those are to many chances for most intruders to take so if a dog barks, they run away.
do your research and find (either through a very good breeder, or through a rescue group/shelter/adoption agency) a dog that will fit your familys needs and lifestyle as well as being a good dog for a first time owner.
 
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oriondw said:
Also:
Watch dog -- dog that barks at strangerrs, alerts owner, etc.
Guard dog -- dog that neutralizes, i.e. kill intruders.


So people dont confuse the two.
Seriously, it's not that big of a deal. :rolleyes:
 
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Seriously, it's not that big of a deal. :rolleyes:
Actually, it is very good to be exact when posting on the internet. Now that the difference between guard dogs and watch dogs have been concluded, less people are apt to get confused, and make this thread off-topic in some silly fight.
 

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Our Pug is a watchdog. He's the 1st one to bark at anything. Then the others investigate and if it's worthy, they will bark too. None of them are guard dogs though Gunnar, when mature, has the potential to be one, but I don't want to have to put him in that situation. If someone is desperate enough to come into my house with a big GSD barking at them, they have some serious issues or more balls than most.
 

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Hey guys sorry I haven't posted in a while but I was wondering if any of you guys have heard anything about the pitbull ban in ontario calming down at all and going away or has it gotten worse.

P.S. To the girl that wants are guard dog, that can protect her family and still be a loving companion that doesn't scare your mom, go to the shelter and find a german sheperd, great dogs.
 

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Actually, it's pretty important, Guard dog or watch dog. Example;

Sam and Harley work as a team. Harley is the watch dog, he'll bark when someone is coming, Sam will attack if I give her the command.
 

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