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Hi there guys,
I just reread my first post. When I was writing it i was understandably wild and was not paying much attention to what I wrote, don't get me wrong... I meant every word of it, I just wanted to say sorry for all the typos.

And thank you for yuor support serena and renee.

Cheers
Mz Mutley :D
 

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Many Dobies are big wimps - they tend to be either all or nothing type dogs. Either very aggressive or pussy cats! So seeing both parents would give you a very good indication of how your pup would respond to a potential threat when he gets older. If the parents bark a warning when you approach, but don't try to attack, you'd probably have a good chance of having a dog who would sound a warning.
First of all, it is Dobe. Second of all, I don't believe "pussy cat" or "aggressive" are listed anywhere under the temperament requirements for a Doberman. Like Renee said, that is a fault.

From the AKC standard:
Temperament
Energetic, watchful, determined, alert, fearless, loyal and obedient. The judge shall dismiss from the ring any shy or vicious Doberman.

Shyness: A dog shall be judged fundamentally shy if, refusing to stand for examination, it shrinks away from the judge; if it fears an approach from the rear; if it shies at sudden and unusual noises to a marked degree.

Viciousness: A dog that attacks or attempts to attack either the judge or its handler, is definitely vicious. An aggressive or belligerent attitude towards other dogs shall not be deemed viciousness.

Another point I would like to make is that you usually don't get a chance to see both the dam and sire of a litter. The breeder rarely owns both the sire and dam.

As far as protective instincts, all responsibly bred Dobermans have them. They are personal protection dogs (not guard dogs), and are therefore bred to protect the ones they love. The only dogs that may deviate from the standard protective instincts, are those that you get from the BYBs in papers and online ads.

As I think everyone has thoroughly proved, your "knowledge" on dog breeds is far from fact.
 
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Giant Schnauzers are great guard dogs. Absolutely fearless, courageous, and loyal to death.
So are standard Schnauzers. ;) I also have to disagree with the Neo and Cane Corso comment. Mastiffs are some of the most easygoing breeds out there. They normally won't attack unless the situation really demands it. But then, to get that, the dogs have to be socialized a LOT.
Bad breeders, and poorly unsocialized dogs in any dog, but particuarly the guarding breeds, is just asking for an attack.

Also, mutts can make great gaurd dogs. Blackie is a Lab mix (we don't know if he is part Rottie or not. He might even be pure Lab. *shurgs shoulders*) He is a very good gaurd dog. He loves people, but I have no doubt in my mind that he would defend us if the situation called for it. He also can tell when something isn't quite right, and will bark to tell us that. He doesn't just bark at anything.
 

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I own 15 Siberian Huskies (im a Musher) and it all depends on the dog. I would advise not to get one if your just wanting a good guard dog. 4 of my huskies are protective Hitch, Akara, Nera, and Buck are all not too into strangers on the property but airn't overly aggressive they just bark more then the others thats all. All my other huskies are almost overly friendly lol but thats ok.
 

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Carey is a big mutt and is very protective (especially over me)She loves people, but not people she doesn't know. Everyone has to "meet" her outside, then when they come in she's fine. I'd hate to see it if someone tried to break in.
 

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i ahte to see someone break in with walker specially a guy he doesnt like littttttle kids tho he wont bite or growl just bark his fool head off. but it depends on the dog like akira ur an idiot to hurt me or jd but morgan hes the sweetest dog in the world
 

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Carey thinks she's a lapdog if she knows ya, my mama can't sit on the floor at my house
 

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I liked your post Red Hot. I liked lots of posts here, but since I am owned by a Doberman, I especially could relate to your post Red Hot.

Well here is my .02 worth and my opinion. I think someone looking for a protection dog needs to really research the whole thing extensively and find out not only on dog forums, but go into the breed clubs and see breeders, dog shows and read books....find out how to train and just everything they can get their hands on first.

Yes, indeed, a true pussy cat for a Doberman would be a serious fault. A well bred, well socialized and obedience trained Doberman with correct temperament absolutely must not be shy. They do NOT back down. That's one of their traits talked about that distinguishes them from lots of protective dogs. A lot of dogs will back down under certain situations. They may act like pussy cats and goof balls with their families, but when a real threat presents itself, they go into serious action. I've experienced this on 3 occasions with my 21 month old boy. They should have a healthy suspicion of strangers.....not exceedingly outgoing until they make friends. My Dobe is not aggressive with friendly strangers or any strangers for that matter as long as they're not breaking into my house or threatening me. He totally knows the difference. They are real thinking dogs. (generalization....not all are correct)

So, I agree that the post about all these breeds is way off the mark if we're reading it right. I think the word, aggressive might be meaning different things to different people. Most Dobermans are aggressive. Most dogs of most any breed will display some sort of aggression some time, a ferocious bark at an intruder, going after prey forcefully, biting something or someone who is threatening their resources or family. That is aggression. They are, because of their pack nature designed to protect their pack and the different breeds vary in degree with that nature. But what I think, or am guessing most of us are meaning here is: is this dog or that dog INDISCRIMINATELY aggressive? Is the dog not educated or is the dog not a thinking animal? A dog that runs out and bites someone without assessing the situation first is indiscriminately aggressive and dangerous. I think most of our dogs who we're talking about here are not that way. They have the potential to be aggressive, but know the difference between flying off the handle and how to assess.

I have a great combination: Two Chihuahuas who sound the first alarm in many cases because their hearing is unbelievable and then a Dobe with all the teeth. LOL. If someone hears the little ones barking, they may think, "Big deal." But if they come closer, they'll get the suprise of their life. LOL. Lyric doesn't mess around when someone comes near the house and we're all inside. He gets vicious at the window. As soon as I open the door and speak in a friendly way to the person, he is settled and just watches....not aggressive anymore.

Some Dobes are good protectors and some aren't. They have been mellowed out in recent years. They use to be, in the beginning a much more aggressive dog.
 
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I'd really, REALLY love to see the phrase "aggressive dog" become extinct. It's used far too much to describe what is really a defensive dog. Defensiveness is a natural trait of many, many breeds; aggressiveness is something instilled by a human trainer or breeder.
 
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Well, I have this article that is pretty informative on the guard dog issue. (This is our of Your Pure Bred Puppy: A Buyer's Guide second edition written by Michele Welton.)

Do you want your dog to be a watch dog? First, let's define the way I'm using the term. A watchdog barks when he sees or hears someone or something near his property. Because every breed can and usually will bark or offer some kind of alerting behavior, every breed is a potential watchdog. Some breeds are more consistently watchful than others, but when an individual dog happens not to be alet to strangers, that is usually the individual, not the breed.
The majority of burglars will shy away from homes in which any dog is barking. THus, even the barking of a little dog or a friendly dog whose bark is one of welcome rather than warning is all the "watching" that most families need. If you're looking for a dog whose appearance and behavior would give burglars even greater incentive to stay away, choose a medium or large or giant dog who looks imposing and who is aloof with strangers.
Now, if you're looking for a dog who is inclined to do more than bark, please consider the following: Some breeds are naturally protective, but they must be taught how to protect, i.e., where and whn to bite. Professional training is expensive, and the result is the equivalent of a loaded gun. Guns often do more damage to the innocent than to the guilty, and a dog has no safety catch and connot be unloaded. (Proponents of guard dogs argue that a dog, unlike a bullet, can be recalled, but they will also agree that few dogs are that well trained.) And training carries no guarantee of protection because a professional criminal has many ways of dealing with a trained dog: Mace or a bullet, for example.
Perhaps you want a naturally protective breed but don't want to gog to the trouble and expense of professional training. Perhaps you believe that an untrained Doberman will protect you "naturally." You may be in for a shock. Let's say the burglar isn't even a professional with a gun. Let's say he simply ignores your barking Doberman and breaks into your house, where he's promptly bitten. Don't you agree that a man who was already bold enough to enter a home in which a big Doberman is barking is going to fight back?
You bet he is. And since an untrained dog usually bites at the leg, the burglar, with both hands free, will knock your beloved dog's brains out wiht the nearest chair, or stab him with a pocketknife. A few really tough dogs might continue to make a fight of it, but most inexperienced dogs who suddenly find themselves in a real fight with a human being will back down. NOw the tables have turned as the angry burglar chases your bewildered dog with murderous intient.
Many a protective dog has lost his life trying to defind his owner's TV set, while the dog who is "so friendly he'd escort the burglar to the silverware" escapes unharmed. Thus it can be a disadvantage to own a protective breed, for no TV set is worth serious injury or death to a dog who is a member of your family.
But what if it's not your home and propertyl that is endangeed, but yourself - by, say, a mugger on the street? WOuldn't you want your dog to protect you then? Actually, he may not have to, because most muggers, like most burglars, will shy away form anyone whith a dog. Dogs can bark, and barking draws unwanted attention. But if you believe firmly in self-defense and you want your protective dog to be similarly equipped, consider joining a Schutzhund club. Schutzhund is a rigorous German sport that combines tracking, obedience, and protection. The training is exciting, and the result is a dog-owner team that works together in a close relationship.
Final recommendation: If all you want is a dog who barks or otherwise alerts you that people are approaching, you can make your choice from among all the breeds. But if you must have a breed with some size, muscle, and a reputation for defending his home and family, read the profiles carefully to see what is said about protective instincts and terrioriality. Unless it is specifically mentioned, a breed should be considered to be only average or below in these areas.
Once you've gone ahead and brought home your protective breed, don't ever allow him to threaten anyone. Let him serve as an imposing presence that will discourage most criminals, but reassure yourself that he will never die because hs actually bit a criminal who then called his bluff.
And I also want to say this: a well trained dog can also keep people away. If you get a scary looking dog (even if it is the freindliest dog in the world and even a mutt) and you are having it do tight heels and sits on command, etc. some people will wonder what else it might be capable of.
 

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Renee, I agree with what you and other have said. My Anatolian is not a dog for first time owners. When Max stands up in the front window of my house, you can hear him bark across the street; this alone makes some (solicitors) not come to my home. Kona who is pit/neo is also a dog that must be handled properly by a responsible owner. I love pitbulls and fell in love with the neopolitans. Most people wouldn't come near my house because they say please keep that dog away from me, I'm afraid, and they are talking about CJ. She gives the look and bark which is all I ask of her.

It doesn't matter what size the dog is, sometimes it's just the look & bark that will keep strangers away.
 

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