Good grief

[smkie]

THe man that did this says he is a trainer too. All I wanted to do was call attention to what I considered to be a really bad idea. It is a shame this thread became about something else. Letting small children train your dog is a cop out, it is suppose to be the reverse, you train your dog, and then help the child understand how to properly treat the dog. End of story for me. I feel passionate about the topic because it sets up a pattern for the child that should not be used and I take the bite rate in our city seriously. That was why I tried to keep up with Leash Pals, but it was just too much for my health, it's a shame, because Victor would have been great at it. Children need to learn, and we need to watch out for them. so I am done..

 

[sparks19]

THe man that did this says he is a trainer too. All I wanted to do was call attention to what I considered to be a really bad idea. It is a shame this thread became about something else. Letting small children train your dog is a cop out, it is suppose to be the reverse, you train your dog, and then help the child understand how to properly treat the dog. End of story for me. I feel passionate about the topic because it sets up a pattern for the child that should not be used and I take the bite rate in our city seriously. That was why I tried to keep up with Leash Pals, but it was just too much for my health, it's a shame, because Victor would have been great at it. Children need to learn, and we need to watch out for them. so I am done..

I agree.

I think letting kids train your dog is not only a cop out... but it's dangerous and foolish. I would never expect hannah to deal with a jumping dog on her own at this age or the age of 6 as in this story. it's just not right. the kid could get hurt, the dog could get hurt. it's just a BAD idea all around.

Teach children how to treat dogs but as the adult... and the OWNER it's your job to make sure your dog doesn't jump on anyone, let alone a child and then expect the child to fend it off themselves. Oy vey.

 

[Freehold]

opcorn:That was fun opcorn:

Now back to our regular programming.

 

[Paige]

I think it's fine to have children train dogs... that are already trained and well behaved so they can learn how to have positive leadership interactions with an animal that is bonding. That's for older children though and not with dogs with behavioral issues. It really makes me sad to hear people say little kids should be shouting or kicking their pets. I personally have a no hit household. How is my child going to learn it's not okay to hit ever if I tell him to kick or knee at the dog?

 

[smkie]

That is what I mean, dogs that already in the know. ^^^ dogs that are already trained and well behaved.

that is what I mean. A dog can help you show a child how to be a good handler. That is what Pepper is doing now for our babies. I start early, and Pepper is blossoming into a totally awesome nanny dog. Good for both all the way around.

 

[sparks19]

right... I don't think there is anything wrong with children being involved in training well mannered dogs. but training them not to jump up doesn't sit right with me. My dogs are as tall on all 4's as hannah is... how could I expect a child to fend off a jumping dog, let alone train the dog not to jump like that. there needs to a good foundation for the "no jumping" rule with the dog first.

 

[Paige]

I agree. I cringe at dog shows on TV that encourage young kids to bully their animals. Uhh... hello! Child is small. Dogs usually aren't so tiny and outweigh them. Rude dogs and children are not the best of mix. Protect both of them by teaching them to interact and look for direction from the adult in the situation.

 

[smkie]

WHen I started at the kennels I was a very early teen. My old boss followed my every step. There is so many things done wrong in the beginning that can cause serious issues down the line. I was a gentle girl, but even so. I was taught to read my dog, I was shown how do do so and then only when he was fully sure I can handle it. The dogs were expensive, and very often owned by others and in for training. I approve of this. I try to do this with my children from the beginning. EVen after growing up with them I am often surprised that they don't Notice or pick up on the little signs For instance Hyia was walking Pepper and I said she needs to go Hyia, and Hyia said No she's fine. And I said NO, she has signaled to you that she really needs to move her bowels. . Granted it was a flick of her head twice, but it is her signal that we need to stop... SHe barely made it to the side of the road before she was able to do what she needed to do. Lesson for Hyia, look at your dog OFTEN while your walking, I pretty much just look at the dogs because for one, I like to, and for the second, they know if an intruder, cat dog, car whatever is there long before I do including behind us.

If you learn to bully early with a pet, what do you expect with peers?

 

[Doberluv]

I trained our family dog, my first "project" in obedience when I was about 9 or 10. He was something like 10 - 12 years old, well mannered and well behaved...knew basic stuff that you usually see in a well established family dog. But he didn't know heel and some fancier obedience. So, he was my pal, went everywhere with me and I trained him. No one supervised us...maybe looked out the window and watched sometimes. I see nothing wrong with that at all.

As an aside...is this more than one person who's trolling? People keep writing, "they."

 

[sparks19]

I trained our family dog, my first "project" in obedience when I was about 9 or 10. He was something like 10 - 12 years old, well mannered and well behaved...knew basic stuff that you usually see in a well established family dog. But he didn't know heel and some fancier obedience. So, he was my pal, went everywhere with me and I trained him. No one supervised us...maybe looked out the window and watched sometimes. I see nothing wrong with that at all.

As an aside...is this more than one person who's trolling? People keep writing, "they."

Right. I don't think anyone has a problem with kids training mild
Mannered well behaved dogs. But a 6 year old and under shouldn't be in charge of teaching a dog not to jump up on them. TO leave a small child to their own devices with a dog jumping up on them is a recipe for disaster IMO. It is the adults responsibility to keep both parties safe and there just isn't anything safe about an out of control jumping dog and a very small child left to fix the issue. Like if I left hannah to fend for herself if beezer were a jumper... That would be irresponsible. She can't overpower him and she shouldn't be expected to

I think "they" is in reference to all trolls or because we might not be sure of the sex of said troll so "they" is better than "it"

 

[ThoseWordsAtBest]

So instead what should you have done?? Stood there and done nothing as the dog attacked your face.

So, it is about that now? If he wanted to attack my face, he could have easily done it when we were eye level while I was kneeling on the floor.

 

[Doberluv]

Right. I don't think anyone has a problem with kids training mild
Mannered well behaved dogs. But a 6 year old and under shouldn't be in charge of teaching a dog not to jump up on them. TO leave a small child to their own devices with a dog jumping up on them is a recipe for disaster IMO. It is the adults responsibility to keep both parties safe and there just isn't anything safe about an out of control jumping dog and a very small child left to fix the issue. Like if I left hannah to fend for herself if beezer were a jumper... That would be irresponsible. She can't overpower him and she shouldn't be expected to

I think "they" is in reference to all trolls or because we might not be sure of the sex of said troll so "they" is better than "it"

I agree with you with that kind of scenario...totally, yes.


Oh....I see. (about the "they." LOL) When you're not sure of the sex, it's "he," "his" or "him"....even if it might be a girl. That grammar rule must have been made up by a guy. :rofl1:

 

[~Tucker&Me~]

Edit: Nvm I misread something