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Are Apprenternships common in the US? Here it's just as good of an option as going to a higher school. We have Apprenternships for ALOT of careers that don't require college. From Carpenter to Banker - it can all be done with a 2-3 year apprenternship - AND you earn money during it.
 

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Are Apprenternships common in the US? Here it's just as good of an option as going to a higher school. We have Apprenternships for ALOT of careers that don't require college. From Carpenter to Banker - it can all be done with a 2-3 year apprenternship - AND you earn money during it.
Very rare. Plumbers are one of the few professions that still do it.
 

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Are Apprenternships common in the US? Here it's just as good of an option as going to a higher school. We have Apprenternships for ALOT of careers that don't require college. From Carpenter to Banker - it can all be done with a 2-3 year apprenternship - AND you earn money during it.
I think they are,most of the trades,mainly union still do them. My bf did one when he was a carpenter almost ten years ago now but even then they could not keep them in work.

Here it is not good to get into any of the trades like plumbing or carpentry because nothing is getting built and what needs worked on has more than enough people waiting around to do the work.

Here there are jobs hiring, nothing glamorous,minimum wage, but people would rather get unemployment. And yes I know more than a few of them:cool: I also know one with a record thats left a few for higher paying jobs.

It sucks out there. Don't listen to what the college tells you. You can not just get a job because you have a degree anymore. But it helps. I know nurses that have looked for over a year now. There is no shortage here. Unless you want critical care.

It angers me that people expect something for nothing,not saying everyone does. I can see getting laid off and needing a little help. But if its been a year go to mcds-I know here they will hire anyone regardless of color.
 

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Hey, it's what all the cool kids are doing. ;) You have to ask yourself "Do I really care so much about what other people think that I'm going to sink myself instead of taking advantage of an opportunity?" I totally understand your hesitation to move back in your case though.

Good luck on your interview!
Thanks! I actually just got an email back from Pier 1. I interviewed there a week ago and they are going to offer me a job on Monday! :D I mean, its seasonal, but at least it would be something!

Good luck with your position, Zoom!
 
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Are Apprenternships common in the US? Here it's just as good of an option as going to a higher school. We have Apprenternships for ALOT of careers that don't require college. From Carpenter to Banker - it can all be done with a 2-3 year apprenternship - AND you earn money during it.
Here we have developed something called "internships." Basically an apprenticeship, but you get no pay for it.
 

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Here we have developed something called "internships." Basically an apprenticeship, but you get no pay for it.
Oh we have those too... but mostly those arefor people who want to try out the job and see if the like it, or college students, or students in school. For example, I did 3 internships during school, and before I started college I did a 12 week internship at a carpenters because it was required if you wanted to major in architecture.
 
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Apprenticeships are still alive and well in the USA. Most if not all labor unions have them. I was a non union electrician for 16 years and I was an apprentice and I trained my fair share of apprentices.

I echo the sentiment that every student graduating HS does not need to go to college. Some students, like myself are better going into trades, either by schooling or apprenticeship, and others, would better follow the college route.

If the Occupy Whatever crowd want free schooling we need to start aptitude testing who goes to trade school and who goes to college.
 

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Apprenticeships are very much promoted here, this is something the gov actually DO fund.
 

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If I worked at Pier One I'd never had a paycheck...:eek:
Yea, I totally agree with this lol


I am 20 years old, be 21 in January. I graduated high school May of 2009. I went to a Technical college January 2011-June 2011, all I did was some core classes (lit., couple of math classes, human relations, psychology, writing class, etc etc). I had NO idea what I wanted to go to college for, and still don't.
I am in no rush to go to college, but I am busting my @ss to find a job, I've got about 6 interviews this week. All it takes is a little motivation and endless phone calls to do what I did. I have put in almost 3 dozen applications and waited weeks, and finally something happened. And I'm fine with that.

Some people just don't like the idea of college. Like TJ. He HATED high school, school bored him and he just flat out hated it. I don't blame him. But I want to go to college, but not right now. To me, there is nothing wrong with that.
A lot of people see that as being lazy, not be motivated, etc etc.
But to each their own, and people live, work, and think differently and that is okay.

My dad went to college for one quarter before joining the Army. He served for 8 years before being medically discharged, after being M.D., he worked at a billion dollar banking company in Atlanta for years, by the end of his time there, he was CEO and worked above people who has fancy degrees, he was their bosses. If my dad could do it, I believe anyone could.
 

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it sucks that we live in a time where jobs look at a resume and don't see a degree they think is important and pass on it... but the fact is we DO live in a time where people just look at your resume and write you off if you don't fit in that specific set of guidelines. lol
Maybe it depends on where you live, but this hasn't been my experience at all. I have a BA in theatre, of all things (want to talk about useless degrees LOL...oh and NOT acting. Set design.) and I ended up with an architecture related job out of it. The school definitely matters, too. I agree with everything Lilvati said.

I don't think most employers are out there writing off applicants for say, receptionist jobs, based on a degree in literature vs a certificate from a vocational school. It probably depends on the job, too, though. For technical jobs, one needs technical knowledge.

OTOH, I often wish I had dropped out of college because while my degree isn't useless, it definitely wasn't worth the amount of debt it's put me in. And for my desired career path (which did not include a job at an architecture firm) a degree was/is pretty irrelevant. I'm sure the girl in the OP will be fine. But she has smart, experienced parents who are probably giving her good advice. I'll be they went to college, too. Not all of us are so lucky to have gotten the right advice when we were foolish, headstrong teenagers. :rolleyes:
 

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Editing to add - I "me too" the thirty-something crowd that's still treading water. I envy my younger brothers who joined the Navy out of high school. Not that I'd want to do that myself, but their futures are a lot more secure than mine, and I think they made good decisions to join.

My parents always told me "you can do anything/be anything you want" but nobody was really able to tell me how or what steps to take other than "go to college." So, yeah, I agree with everyone who is saying that a societal attitude shift is needed. I think it's happening, but slowly. The kids from my brothers' generation are already a lot wiser about it than I was at their age.
 
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My dad went to college for one quarter before joining the Army. He served for 8 years before being medically discharged, after being M.D., he worked at a billion dollar banking company in Atlanta for years, by the end of his time there, he was CEO and worked above people who has fancy degrees, he was their bosses. If my dad could do it, I believe anyone could.
That's a good attitude to have, but things have changed A LOT since then. My mom was hired as a professor before she even graduated from her program! That would never ever ever ever happen now.

Our economy, our society, has changed from skills based to knowledge based, and qualifications on paper hold a lot of power, more power than they should, but to have a real hope at ever making more than minimum wage college and university degrees are necessary unless you find work in a trade.
 

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That's a good attitude to have, but things have changed A LOT since then. My mom was hired as a professor before she even graduated from her program! That would never ever ever ever happen now.

Our economy, our society, has changed from skills based to knowledge based, and qualifications on paper hold a lot of power, more power than they should, but to have a real hope at ever making more than minimum wage college and university degrees are necessary unless you find work in a trade.
I know things have changed a lot since then, but I still believe that with some motivation, dedication and a little hard work, anything can be done and you can succeed to your highest potential.
My dad taught me that, and has proved it to me time and time again. Everyone's got to have a role model, right?
 

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