George Zimmerman Found Not Guilty
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I think only one person in this thread has said that.
Disagreeing with people who think he should be charged with murder, locked up, and have the key thrown away doesn't mean you don't think that someone deserves to die.
My whole issue with this case is the media was so eager to turn this to a race thing even going as far as to edit 911 calls. I disagree I don't think the altercation was race based but I do think the trial was.
Disagreeing with people who think he should be charged with murder, locked up, and have the key thrown away doesn't mean you don't think that someone deserves to die.
My whole issue with this case is the media was so eager to turn this to a race thing even going as far as to edit 911 calls. I disagree I don't think the altercation was race based but I do think the trial was.
I believe this case has a LOT to do with race. This case would not have achieved so much attention if the parents had not spread the word out there, but can you really blame them! Your son went out to the store, than came back in a body bag. The policed closed the case and were not going to pursue it any further, telling the parents that it was self defense and the guy who killed their son is out free. Yet it was this man who chased and pursued the boy in the first place. Any parent would do the same.
Why is it about race? Why did Zimmerman spotted Trayvon and followed him the in first place? Trayvon was not doing anything suspicious, he just "look" suspicious. I know there are a lot of people who don't believe it goes on because they don't hear about it, but it is very common, it is just not talked about. Almost every single black male has an experience of being singled out and assumed of wrong doing, and things like being followed, harassed while out walking is not rare, especially if you do it in a community where there aren't a lot of black people to begin with. Zimmerman felt so sure that Trayvon was up to no good that he actually followed the young man so he wouldn't get away, yet Trayvon did nothing for him to be THAT suspicious. The fact that the case was closed and Zimmerman let go, people also felt that was race related because it seem like Trayvon side of the story didn't matter, he was just another dead black teen. That is why feelings have been so strong with this case. Many black people can relate to being racially profiled, so a young black boy who was doing nothing wrong, being followed and chase after, than ended up shot dead and case closed just like that, stirred up strong feelings.
ETA Added a story by white parents with adopted their black child to give some more perspective . Instead of comparing the women and her shooting up in the air case, this is actually a more similar to what happen to Trayvon.
http://forums.adoption.com/transracial-adoption/195549-how-can-people-discriminate-against-kids.html
Why is it about race? Why did Zimmerman spotted Trayvon and followed him the in first place? Trayvon was not doing anything suspicious, he just "look" suspicious. I know there are a lot of people who don't believe it goes on because they don't hear about it, but it is very common, it is just not talked about. Almost every single black male has an experience of being singled out and assumed of wrong doing, and things like being followed, harassed while out walking is not rare, especially if you do it in a community where there aren't a lot of black people to begin with. Zimmerman felt so sure that Trayvon was up to no good that he actually followed the young man so he wouldn't get away, yet Trayvon did nothing for him to be THAT suspicious. The fact that the case was closed and Zimmerman let go, people also felt that was race related because it seem like Trayvon side of the story didn't matter, he was just another dead black teen. That is why feelings have been so strong with this case. Many black people can relate to being racially profiled, so a young black boy who was doing nothing wrong, being followed and chase after, than ended up shot dead and case closed just like that, stirred up strong feelings.
ETA Added a story by white parents with adopted their black child to give some more perspective . Instead of comparing the women and her shooting up in the air case, this is actually a more similar to what happen to Trayvon.
http://forums.adoption.com/transracial-adoption/195549-how-can-people-discriminate-against-kids.html
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There wasn't enough evidence. It went to trial but really the prosecution didn't really have a case.
One of their witnesses admitted to lying about what was really said during the phone conversation and lying about writing a letter detailing what had happened.
The first 911 call that wa played to the public was altered by the news agency to make it sound like Zimmerman called just because he saw 'a black kid'
They went on the news saying he called him a coon. Once try went back and cleaned the audio up they apologized and tried to take it back. But by the the bloodthirsty mob had already run with it.
There's so much evidence that came forward that it was obvious they only too this to trial to calm people down.
You can hate how this turned out as much as you like but there really wasn't a case against Zimmerman.
Actually, I said I was not surprise by the verdict. The jurors got it right because there was too much doubt. That doesn't mean the case should not have gone through though. Wouldn't you rather HAVE a case where all facts are investigated, than for the case to be just swept under the rug. The parents might not like the verdict, but they are happy this case actually went to trial.
I would be extremely surprised if they do. I think it is once again a case of media driven garbage. There is no question that GZ killed TM. Some talking head "expert" on some 24 hour junk channel probably said, hey, "the DOJ could charge him by saying this was all racially motivated and that his racism is what caused this.
But I highly doubt there is anything even remotely like that on the minds of the DOJ. I think it exists in the media realm.
On a side note, he will be sued by Trayvon's parent's and I'm pretty certain they will win a civil case against him.
But I highly doubt there is anything even remotely like that on the minds of the DOJ. I think it exists in the media realm.
On a side note, he will be sued by Trayvon's parent's and I'm pretty certain they will win a civil case against him.
first of all....
hellllloooooo everyone!!!
secondly, I read 2 pages of this thread and I'm thoroughly DISGUSTED at some pf these posts. If a GROWN ASS man was following me he better be ready for a fight. He was a grown man that out weighed TM by at least 50 pounds and he can't use his weight to his advantage? Im disgusted by the outcome of this trial. A "neighborhood watch" is like a glorified mall cop you don't have the authority to do anything but WATCH, leave tracking "suspects" to the police that's what they get paid for....
hellllloooooo everyone!!!
secondly, I read 2 pages of this thread and I'm thoroughly DISGUSTED at some pf these posts. If a GROWN ASS man was following me he better be ready for a fight. He was a grown man that out weighed TM by at least 50 pounds and he can't use his weight to his advantage? Im disgusted by the outcome of this trial. A "neighborhood watch" is like a glorified mall cop you don't have the authority to do anything but WATCH, leave tracking "suspects" to the police that's what they get paid for....
Wrongful death would be civil. It has a lower burden of proof but its for money, not jail time. Given the notoriety and therefore prospects of books and tv interviews, the parents may want to sue to make sure he can't profit from this.
A federal civil rights case looks really hard to pull off in this case. Looks like you have to prove he did it solely because of race and you'd still have the problem of self defense.
It would be interesting given some strange jury decisions in FL recently, if you could make up a case, and try it with different juries in all the states and see how they all decided.
A federal civil rights case looks really hard to pull off in this case. Looks like you have to prove he did it solely because of race and you'd still have the problem of self defense.
It would be interesting given some strange jury decisions in FL recently, if you could make up a case, and try it with different juries in all the states and see how they all decided.
I've refrained from commenting, because it seems that if you agree with the court's acquittal, you're also of the belief that Martin was a thug deserving to be dead. Not only is such an assumption disgustingly wrong, but it's personally insulting.
I do believe the verdict was applied correctly given the case. That's it.
My prayersgo out to all involved. It was definitely a horrible worst-case scenario.
As for profiling, let's get real and admit it exists. And it exists fora reason. After 9/11, profiling existed/exists because of the persons involved. When you have crimes committed by a person or persons of a distinct profile, then it is logical that you look for persons fitting that profile. If two white males with sticky builds and brown hair were seen burglarizing cars, then that profile will be used as the standard by which to search for the culprits. Can racism play into it? That would depend on the individual person doing the seeking out. But if I was burglarized by a purple/white/black/Hispanic/polka-dotted man, then you can expect me to be on the lookout for such.
While in college, I was actually met by the local pd at my car, because witnesses reported seeing a blue camaro at the scene of several car break-ins in and around campus. Naturally, they saw my car, which matched the description of the other car, and they staked in out waiting for my return. After answering questions, I was finally cleared to leave. Was I mad about the incident or at the people who reported my car? Not at all.
In life, I was also taught there might be times where I (we) might be harassed by others. But I was always taught, that no matter what someone tells you or yells out at you, even if they're standing a foot from your face, you cannot put your hands on them. If you do so, then you're at fault for instigating the physical violence. Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not. But it is what it is.
There was a local case a few years back where a motorcycle cop pulled over a black man who intruded into a funeral procession in order to run a red light before weaving back out and going on his way. When the man got out of his car, a verbal argument ensued. The cop then proceeded to attempt to arrest the man, and that's when the man began began beating the officer. The man, who also happened to be a professional boxer, ended up on top of the officer beating the life out of him. The officer tried to get to his gun, but the man was also trying to get it. That's when a Good Samaritan, in the parking lot where this was occurring, grabbed his legal weapon and shot the man, killing him with one well-placed shot. I was stopped at this intersection, and I saw the entire event unfold from beginning to end. It was horrific. Yet the aftermath was astounding. Racism came into play. Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, and the NAACP came into town demanding that the Samaritan be charged with murder. They claimed the cop started the fight by pushing the man. So much was thrown about, and despite the closure of the case (the Good Samaritan did not face any charges for saving the life of the officer), there is still much unrest. I understand that it's a different case with different actions, but it is similar in that race was and is being claimed as the ulterior motive for the death of a black man while other details and facts are ignored.
I wish Tragvon was still alive. I wish the entire situation never happened. But it did, and it's truly a tragedy. But at the end of the day, you can of find someone guilty of 2nd degree murder with no basis other than personal feeling.
And to whatshername about the term "coon", it most certainly is a racial epithet. Come on now.
I do believe the verdict was applied correctly given the case. That's it.
My prayersgo out to all involved. It was definitely a horrible worst-case scenario.
As for profiling, let's get real and admit it exists. And it exists fora reason. After 9/11, profiling existed/exists because of the persons involved. When you have crimes committed by a person or persons of a distinct profile, then it is logical that you look for persons fitting that profile. If two white males with sticky builds and brown hair were seen burglarizing cars, then that profile will be used as the standard by which to search for the culprits. Can racism play into it? That would depend on the individual person doing the seeking out. But if I was burglarized by a purple/white/black/Hispanic/polka-dotted man, then you can expect me to be on the lookout for such.
While in college, I was actually met by the local pd at my car, because witnesses reported seeing a blue camaro at the scene of several car break-ins in and around campus. Naturally, they saw my car, which matched the description of the other car, and they staked in out waiting for my return. After answering questions, I was finally cleared to leave. Was I mad about the incident or at the people who reported my car? Not at all.
In life, I was also taught there might be times where I (we) might be harassed by others. But I was always taught, that no matter what someone tells you or yells out at you, even if they're standing a foot from your face, you cannot put your hands on them. If you do so, then you're at fault for instigating the physical violence. Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not. But it is what it is.
There was a local case a few years back where a motorcycle cop pulled over a black man who intruded into a funeral procession in order to run a red light before weaving back out and going on his way. When the man got out of his car, a verbal argument ensued. The cop then proceeded to attempt to arrest the man, and that's when the man began began beating the officer. The man, who also happened to be a professional boxer, ended up on top of the officer beating the life out of him. The officer tried to get to his gun, but the man was also trying to get it. That's when a Good Samaritan, in the parking lot where this was occurring, grabbed his legal weapon and shot the man, killing him with one well-placed shot. I was stopped at this intersection, and I saw the entire event unfold from beginning to end. It was horrific. Yet the aftermath was astounding. Racism came into play. Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, and the NAACP came into town demanding that the Samaritan be charged with murder. They claimed the cop started the fight by pushing the man. So much was thrown about, and despite the closure of the case (the Good Samaritan did not face any charges for saving the life of the officer), there is still much unrest. I understand that it's a different case with different actions, but it is similar in that race was and is being claimed as the ulterior motive for the death of a black man while other details and facts are ignored.
I wish Tragvon was still alive. I wish the entire situation never happened. But it did, and it's truly a tragedy. But at the end of the day, you can of find someone guilty of 2nd degree murder with no basis other than personal feeling.
And to whatshername about the term "coon", it most certainly is a racial epithet. Come on now.