George Zimmerman Found Not Guilty

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And to whatshername about the term "coon", it most certainly is a racial epithet. Come on now.
Well forgive me for not being on the up & up of racial slurs, for I do not use them on a regular basis :/. Like I said, the only uses of "coon" I have heard are: to describe a lazy person (lazy as a pet coon), a burglar, or someone from LA (a "coon ass"). The only derogatory term for a black person I hear in my area is the "N" word.
 

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Again, here, I think the vast majority actually AGREE with the jury's decision, just still think Zimmerman was at fault and caused the whole mess. There were several comments that blamed Trayvon for the situation and those were the ones I was arguing, not about the verdict
Like I've said a few times I don't think he deserved to die but I DO think he contributed to his death by physically lashing out.

We can argue of it was justified or not all day. But I do believe when you use violence it should not be a shock to have violence used back.
 

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There is a difference between not knowing a slur and arguing that one isn't.
Hence why I argued it wasnt, because I was not AWARE that it was.

Unfortunately there will always be racial profiling, remember what happened after 9-11? Now to many, being Muslim, or even being from the middle east automatically makes someone a terrorist, which is sad. Because there is a man from the middle east who is an electrician at the track & is a very nice man, but there are a lot of people there who dislike him simply because of where he is from & his every mistake is scrutinized like you wouldnt believe (he isn't very knowledgeable about horses so he doesnt understand that some actions can spook them) ... & it's sad that we have become this way.
 
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We can argue of it was justified or not all day. But I do believe when you use violence it should not be a shock to have violence used back.
No, but I would be shocked if I got shot for using my fists against someone who was following me on my way home from the corner store.

I see a lot of "well if I saw someone acting suspiciously in my neighborhood I would do xyz" but I think that goes both ways. If I was walking home from the corner store and someone was following me, first in their car and then getting out to follow me, I'd sure as sh*t assume they were up to no good and might feel the need to defend myself. Think for half a second how that would feel, it gives me the willies.

Everyone is always so sure what they would or wouldn't do, but most people in the heat of that moment, when their adrenaline is pumping, aren't going to make the same rational decisions they think they would from behind their computer screen. Which is why adults need to make good choices before things escalate and they find themselves IN the heat of the moment. A fist fight might have stayed a fist fight instead shooting if Zimmerman had just stayed in his car OR had chosen not to take the gun with him... I'll never really understand why he did if his intention was just to follow.

In any case, although again I don't think the verdict was legally incorrect, morally I think Zimmerman displayed horrible judgment for terrible reasons and he's on the hook for murdering this kid in my book. Someone taking on the responsibility for being part of a neighborhood watch should have better judgment, I wouldn't feel safer with this guy in my neighborhood.
 

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I am flabbergasted by this...
http://nationalreport.net/george-zi...eing-brutally-attacked-by-their-juvenile-son/
THIS JUST IN… George Zimmerman filed a civil suit today just before 5PM EST at the Seminole County, Florida, Courthouse. The suit alleges the parents of Trayvon Martin, failed to control their minor-age son on the evening of February 26, 2012, when Martin repeatedly assaulted Zimmerman, placing him in imminent fear for his life and resulting in the death of Martin.

The civil action specifies that Zimmerman acted in self defense resulting in the case being ruled a justifiable homicide by a jury trial that ended on Saturday with a verdict of not guilty.

Desperate state prosecutors charged the victim with 2nd degree murder though they had no evidence of a crime and hoping to stay off more violence and having Florida put to the torch at the criminal hands of rioters months before the start of the state’s tourist season. The complaint further specifies Zimmerman shares “zero-liability†in the death of Martin as he acted without malice and solely in self-defense. The amount of damages Zimmerman is seeking are unspecified.
More on link

If I was on the fence before, I must say I've been pushed over onto Martin's side now. I can't believe you just barely walk away from being charged with manslaughter/murder and you turn around sue the victims PARENTS. What a piece of crap. That upsets me very much.
 

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No, but I would be shocked if I got shot for using my fists against someone who was following me on my way home from the corner store.

I see a lot of "well if I saw someone acting suspiciously in my neighborhood I would do xyz" but I think that goes both ways. If I was walking home from the corner store and someone was following me, first in their car and then getting out to follow me, I'd sure as sh*t assume they were up to no good and might feel the need to defend myself. Think for half a second how that would feel, it gives me the willies.

Everyone is always so sure what they would or wouldn't do, but most people in the heat of that moment, when their adrenaline is pumping, aren't going to make the same rational decisions they think they would from behind their computer screen. Which is why adults need to make good choices before things escalate and they find themselves IN the heat of the moment. A fist fight might have stayed a fist fight instead shooting if Zimmerman had just stayed in his car OR had chosen not to take the gun with him... I'll never really understand why he did if his intention was just to follow.

In any case, although again I don't think the verdict was legally incorrect, morally I think Zimmerman displayed horrible judgment for terrible reasons and he's on the hook for murdering this kid in my book. Someone taking on the responsibility for being part of a neighborhood watch should have better judgment, I wouldn't feel safer with this guy in my neighborhood.
But if you evade your follower & then go back to confront him & assault him, you are no longer acting in self defense per the law. You are now on the offense & committing a criminal act, however a jury may side with your feelings & acquit you.
 
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But if you evade your follower & then go back to confront him & assault him, you are no longer acting in self defense per the law. You are now on the offense & committing a criminal act, however a jury may side with your feelings & acquit you.
Is there proof of this?
 

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Is there proof of this?
Yes, many cases. The most recently notorious is the mom who was brought up earlier in this thread. She exited a confrontational situation grabbed a gun came back & escalated the situation by shooting at her exhusband. The jury in accordance with instruction on what legally constitutes self defense, did not acquit her but found her guilty.
 

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Oh well in that case I guess if it ever happens I'll just let him rape me instead. -_-
Well if you evade him & then go back & create a situation you'll have no one to blame but yourself. If you feel threatened & escape the situation, DON'T GO BACK without cops to control the situation.
 
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Yes, many cases. The most recently notorious is the mom who was brought up earlier in this thread. She exited a confrontational situation grabbed a gun came back & escalated the situation by shooting at her exhusband. The jury in accordance with instruction on what legally constitutes self defense, did not acquit her but found her guilty.
I was talking in regards to Zimmerman and Martin as I do not believe this is what happened.
 
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Well if you evade him & then go back & create a situation you'll have no one to blame but yourself. If you feel threatened & escape the situation, DON'T GO BACK without cops to control the situation.
Nah, it's good. Women are used to victim-blaming. :)
 

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Nah, it's good. Women are used to victim-blaming. :)
It's not about blaming the victim, it's about having some common F-ing sense.
Look at it this way, I shave my head 2X a week. Now imagine i drive by a black panther party rally, they throw some rocks and shout some racial slurs and i DRIVE AWAY. Now if I put on some swastika tattoos and go back to the black panther party rally and shout white power, who is really to blame for the ensuing ass whipping? Or say, I shoot a few of those people because I felt they were really going to kill me. Legally I may not be able to claim self defense because I incited the violence AFTER having avoided it the first time.
So yes, anyone who escapes a perceived threat & then goes back ALONE to confront it is (tactically) a dumbass. Now say you're successful in whipping his ass, you have legally put yourself in jeopardy of criminal prosecution. The guy may have been a registered sex offender, but the prosecutor will do his best to make sure the jury doesn't know that. Which is actually very important to your defense, as this information would almost 100% garantee an acquittal (at least I know I would vote that way with that knowledge).
You don't have to like it, that's just the reality of our legal/judicial system.
 
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Take a deep breath. I'm just being sassy.


That being said, I'm not talking about like... getting safely home and then driving back to kick someone's ass. I'm talking about like... ducking behind a tree and clotheslining him when he walks by. Which is unlikely in my case to actually be successful but in theory if that's what it comes down to, then that's what it comes down to. And I'm not going to worry too much about the legal nuances of it. *shrug*
 

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I was talking in regards to Zimmerman and Martin as I do not believe this is what happened.
Unfortunately, the limited evidence supports Zimmermans contention that this exactly what happened. Now it's not beyond a reasonable doubt evidence that could have convicted Martin of assault/murder/manslaughter if he hadn't been shot, but it is strong enough to cast reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was guilty of murder.
The strongest evidence to support Zimmerman's claim that Martin initiated the violence is the fact that Zimmerman had substantial injuries to his head and face and Martin only had injuries to his knuckles.
The harsh reality of the case is that there just isn't hard, fast incontrovertible evidence one way or the other.
 

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