Doxie Pups

[Fran27]

Bob4eva, I'm sorry you think people had no reason to flame. Personally, I find it disgusting.

Do you know how prone to back issues doxies are? Have you seen any of those doxies who can't walk and get up anymore because of them? Do you know why it happens? Because of bad breeding.

And breeding dogs without doing any testing nor knowing where the parents come from IS bad breeding. For all I know, all the pups will have back problems in a year. For God's sake, she paid the parents $300, probably from another BYB. I'm willing to bet the dogs are very far from the standard physically and temperament-wise, too. So much for breeding for temperament!

It just makes me sick to my stomach.

Oh, and for the poor families who can't afford a $600 dog... what will they do when their dog requires the $5000 surgery that they are likely to need when they grow up? That's the downside with getting cheap pups. That, and seeing them suffering.

 

[Bahamutt99]

I don't even see any real flaming. Strong arguments, yes. Some undeniably stronger than others.

ETA, this may hurt a few feelings, but I can't help but wonder if the folks who are adamantly defending find that this post strikes too close to home. It strikes close to home for me as a former BYBer, but I can at least say I learned from my stupidity and will never repeat it.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

Here is what the DCA recommends that Dachshund breeders consider testing for prior to breeding dogs:

http://www.caninehealthinfo.org/brdreqs.html?breed=DH

Breeding irresponsibly harms all dog owners, and especially all dog breeders. No one should be expected to pay $600 for an unregistered puppy from parents with no health testing.

Your puppies are very cute, however, you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Legislation restricting breeding and/or ownership of certain breeds, mandatory spay/neuter laws, etc. are RAMPANT in this country. I worry and send letters and emails EVERY WEEK to try to fight these sorts of laws.

Breeders like YOU are the people they are targeting.

Please lose the defensive attitude and educate yourself.

 

[bubbatd]

Folks .... it's a done deal . Let it be .

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

For God's sake you lot!!
Can't you last 5 minutes without fighting with eachother??
She was just posting to say about having a litter,and you accuse her of byb-ing!
Its stuff like this that makes people leave this site,because some of the people on here have a serious attitude problem.I mean,you don't go flaming redyre when she posts saying she had a litter do ya?(no offence redyre,just using ya as an example.)

Anywho,jingles, I'm sure you care tons for your dogs but you should get them nuetered to keep the dog population down.Also it calms your dogs down and prevents the risk of cancer.And sorry for the behaviour of some of us here.

No, they don't flame me. My bitch has hips, elbow, eye, heart, and thyroid testing, along with a CHIC number on file at OFA. ( Penny's OFA record )

She is a Multi BIS Multi HIT AKC/UKC show Champion, has 3 obedience titles, 2 temperament test certifications, and is a working therapy dog.

She is in whelp to a multi BIS/BISS dog who also has a CHIC number on file at the OFA.

My breeding practices are above scrutiny, and everything associated with this litter is an open book for ANYONE to research.

I spend quite a bit of my personal free time on forums trying to educate people and help with training issues. I do this because I love dogs, and I feel a need to "give something back".

Information about being a responsible breeder, and what is necessary to be one, is easily found on the net. There is no excuse for ignorance by anyone who has access to a computer. People CHOOSE not to educate themselves, and make irresponsible breeding decisions, which oftentimes, sadly enough, the dogs pay for in spades later.

TO THE OP: I hope you will use this as a stepping stone to educating yourself about responsible breeding.

 

[~Jessie~]

5. Claim that you are just trying to produce good pets, therefore good pets are all you need for breeding.

6. When asked about health testing, enthusiastically point out that your bitch had a health checkup before breeding.

7. Be sure to mention that you do not need to run such health tests as OFA, CERF, thyroid, cardiac, patellas, etc., because your dogs look healthy and had no visible problems at their last vet checkup.

8. Point out that these tests cost too much and would cut into your profit margin. Be sure to champion the right of poor people to breed dogs.


9. Confidently assure worried rescuers that no puppy you produce, or any of their puppies or grandpuppies or great-grandpuppies will end up in shelters because you have a bunch of friends who have told you that they'd like a pup from your bitch.

10. Point out that you don't need Championships or working titles on your dogs because you are breeding for temperament and your dog is really sweet.

25. If all else fails, tell everyone who criticizes you to get a life.

Eek.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

(sorry Grammy we were posting at the same time)

 

[~Jessie~]

(sorry Grammy we were posting at the same time)

Me too...

 

[Sapphire-Light]

I'm totally with you guys on the BYB argument but something was said along the lines of...

If you can't afford a $600 pup then you have no right even owning a dog?

WTF? That didn't quite sit right with me. Some people don't have $600 up front to buy a dog, doesn't mean they wouldn't make great owners. Yeah accidents happen and vet bills can occur but that's what you get pet insurance for. Vets will spay for free with vouchers, pet stores do mobile vaccine clinics for super cheap. Owning a dog doesn't mean you need to have thousands of dollars stockpiled.

Agree!!

having tons of money dosen't guarantee a person is going to care for a pet ethier.

I worked in a small hotel and the owner had 4 red parrots and 2 greens (the big ones)
The owner of the hotel is rich but the parrots where in terrible conditions, no human care it will be the same if it was porcelane figurines, plushies , made of wood or flesh for the owner.

One of the red parrots was in the back of the kitchen where the turist couldn't see her because she took off all her feathers (the classic stress and frustation symtom in parrots)

And guess what? that woman NEVER take the bird to a vet, she say "the bird is sick" but she cares? NO.

The parrot is problably still there left to die, even if that woman has tons of money.


Is not only having money or not, is the people wit a GOOD HEART that makes careing for a pet.

 

[Fran27]

Grammy... if we don't say anything, she will just do it again (although I guess she will probably anyway...).

No such thing as 'let it be' when it comes to BYB...

 

[bubbatd]

I agree ..... if not educated by now , it is falling on deaf ears .... or in this case , blind eyes.

 

[Tankstar]

Congrats on a new litter of non tested non titled dogs. Just what we need more of.

I find it funny how you havnt answerd any of these questions you were asked.

Also you breed 3 differnet breeds of dogs? Wow.

 

[Renee750il]

I sound like a broken record, but I just don't buy that "I don't register or show or title my dogs because I want them to be cheap for da people" argument. I was a gas station peon and I saved up $600 for my dog, as well as the other $700 we needed to build a city-mandated (BSL) kennel, get the insurance, and put up a privacy fence to avoid harassment. Not to mention travel costs driving 2 states away to get my dog.

As far as I'm concerned, charging a sensible price (not exorbitant, but not cheap) weeds out the serious people from the chaff. If they can't afford $600 or more for a puppy, what do you think they're going to do when that pup jumps off the couch and injures its back and needs surgery? What about the areas that charge $400 for a spay? How will they afford that? Breeding to get good pets is admirable, but should not be the whole focus. A top-quality show breeding will still produce some pets. Its like baking a batch of brownies just to get the ones that are burnt on the edges; you'll get those in every batch. Except that nobody is going to be buying a brownie for companionship for the next 10-15 years.

Breed to improve the breed, not as a service to all the low-income puppy buyers out there who desperately need a Dachshund. Breed improvement is the only reason to do it. Anything else is just BYBing. And yes, I spoke with an absolute. No, I am not a Sith.

None of that says that someone who can't afford to spend a huge price for a pup means that person shouldn't have a dog - it just says that using "low income puppy buyers" as an excuse is just that - an excuse.

Baha's done something that takes a lot of character - realized she made mistakes, stopped making them and admitted to them and been open about it in hopes that someone else can learn from those mistakes.

 

[jupiter11600]

A: People who can not afford to get a purebred titled dog, there are MANY dogs, and if you wait and watch chances are you can find what you want! I haven't seen a shelter yet, even high kill that doesn't give you at least a 24 hour take back period. I can't afford a 600 or more $ dog, But also do not see a reason if I'm not showing! There are plenty of perfectly good dogs that are A: In shelters or B: Free/Low cost needing homes! On to my second point,

B: I can't afford a 600 dog, especially with my husbands job loss BUT and this is a big but, I am prepared. My vet knows I take good care of my kids, and lets me post date checks. My dogs eat good food, Innova, cal nat, depending on the dog. I home cook and feed wiggles raw due to his allergies. I give my dogs shots they need, and we end up in the vet fairly often either way so they see there vets. I don't use frontline, Due to the fact it gives my beagle seizures, but I still do flea control when needed, and not OTC hartz... We're far from rich, but i can guarantee you that my dogs get better care then most of the science diet fed, stuck in the back yard dogs owned by some of the better of neighbors of mine. You just have to be prepared!

 

[Bahamutt99]

Can I just request clarification on what some people are saying? Are you saying it is okay to buy from a backyard breeder because you can't afford to buy from a reputable one?

For those who are saying "we will save the money if our dogs need it," why not apply that logic to the original purchase, and possibly save some in vet bills by buying a dog with a health guarantee and down from proven (ie health tested, worked) parents?

Renee, thanks for the vote of confidence. My history is full of nasty screw-ups which are embarassing to admit, but denying them wont make them go away. Plus, I'm all about using my mistakes to help educate others. (Give me a cookie. )

Jupiter, your avatar kills me! :lol-sign:

 

[PWCorgi]

having tons of money dosen't guarantee a person is going to care for a pet ethier.

Your right. Which is exactly why responsible breeders take the time to screen the people who are getting their puppies and many follow up on them throughout their lives. It's not about who can show up at their doorstep with more money first, it's about being able to provide the pup with the best life possible, which includes being able to have money in case of an emergency. Not all vet clinics will do a plan, many want money up-front.

I could show up at Redyre's door tomorrow with $10,000 and I'm **** sure that I would leave there without a puppy (that is if they had been born yet of course )!

 

[PWCorgi]

Oh and BTW, I spent many years saving up for the two brats in my siggy, $800 to be exact. I also had $1,200 saved up in a savings account before I got them in case of an emergency. I'm ashamed to admit it but they are from a BYB, a lady with her heart in the right place, but no clue what she was doing.

Frodo is 18 months old and I found out 2 weeks ago that he has luxating patella in his left knee, his left hip is bad, he has a bulging disk in his lower back (not do to breeding but it still takes a toll on the wallet). That was the same day both Izzy and Frodo got shots (Izzy had to have extra tests done so I could send in her therapy dog information). Two days later guess who has a UTI? Izzy! Oh, and my vet doesn't do "plans", you wanna take a look at the size of that vet bill?

It wiped out a good chunk of my savings. I know that something could happen next week and if I don't have the money I'm screwed (my mom makes $18,000 a year, she can't help) so for the last week and for two weeks to come I am donning a Sunset ice-cream shirt and building my savings account back up. I've also started dog-sitting again and my birthday plans are on hold (I was going to treat myself to a trip to the Eastern State Penitentiary museum, not anymore!). Frodo's knee isn't going to fix itself and his hips aren't getting any better, if I can't make a lot of money this summer I will not be playing tennis my senior year of high school which really sucks, but I've made my bed and now I have to sleep in it.

/Rant

Sorry.

 

[jess2416]

I agree ..... if not educated by now , it is falling on deaf ears .... or in this case , blind eyes.

Agreed ^^

 

[jupiter11600]

Nope I'm not saying that, I'm saying go to a rescue and get a dog that *NEEDS* a good home, Not someone out to make a quick buck.

I know isn't he great? Even though i don't watch tv much anymore I miss those commercials!

 

[MaryAndDobes]

Low-income people will do whatever needs to be done if they have a puppy/pet that needs a surgery or treatment for xyz virus. Just like any other good pet owner would.

That's a pretty grand and foolish blanket statement.

It is a valid concern, IMO, that if someone can't afford to buy a well-bred pet, they may not be able to afford serious and/or emergency treatment. It's well and good for people to say that they have vets that will take post dated checks or who will work with them. However, in *emergency* situations, you aren't always dealing with your own vet who you know and who knows you. You don't always have a choice about where you may have to go in an emergency situation.

For instance, I placed a returned dog of my breeding with a friend of mine. A very dedicated and responsible owner except for the fact that she is low income. The dog bloated on a Sunday night, she was forced to go to an emergency clinic who was not her usual vet clinic, they wouldn't do a thing for the dog without $1500 up front. Words like "I'd do anything" mean very little in a situation like that. You don't have time to do anything. You need $1500, period. There is no arguing, there is no begging, there is no pleading, there is no bargaining. You have to have the money or your dog dies. It's that cut and dried, it's that simple.

My friend did not have the money. She does not have credit cards. She called me and I went and paid the money for the dog that I was responsible for (as the breeder) in order to save his life.

As much as I love my friend, it really was a lesson to me that it can cost a dog its life when you place it with someone who can not afford to meet ALL of its needs, and unfortunately, emergency needs must be considered.