Dog Whisperer videos online?
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IMO the man is a crackpot, and yes if you are into (and people are into some very wierd things if the internet is anything to go by 
) that sort of stuff, then yes it is a great show.
Top trainers and behaviorualists around the world denounce his methods as harmful and dangerous..so at least I am in good company...
whatszmatter..you are as entitled to your opinion as much as anyone else..but as you must have noticed the OP doesn't seem offended, and is very wisely seeking out info on other methods so they can be a well rounded person. (highly commendable...I learned about Koeler, watched lots of e collar training, prong collar training, and decided it wasn't anymore effective that what I was doing...and with less risk..but how would I have known if I hadn't learned? So I have great respect for those seeking info)
) that sort of stuff, then yes it is a great show.Top trainers and behaviorualists around the world denounce his methods as harmful and dangerous..so at least I am in good company...
whatszmatter..you are as entitled to your opinion as much as anyone else..but as you must have noticed the OP doesn't seem offended, and is very wisely seeking out info on other methods so they can be a well rounded person. (highly commendable...I learned about Koeler, watched lots of e collar training, prong collar training, and decided it wasn't anymore effective that what I was doing...and with less risk..but how would I have known if I hadn't learned? So I have great respect for those seeking info)
..but people follow the careers of serial killers too. I said he was a crack pot, I never said he wasn't rich (I have come to the conclusion that being flamboyant, charismatic, crazy, really out there, is a huge asset in making in the public spot light.) And he may be a really nice man, I have never met him. I was making no aspersions to him personally, only as a trainer.
Does that mean you won't be wading in on the great debates? Oh come on everyone has opinions, and I am sure you have some good ones....
Debates are fun, others learn so much from them, and if you can't argue your point intelligently then its time to rethink your position. (while embarassing at times, its good hehe)
Debates are fun, others learn so much from them, and if you can't argue your point intelligently then its time to rethink your position. (while embarassing at times, its good hehe)
Does that mean you won't be wading in on the great debates? Oh come on everyone has opinions, and I am sure you have some good ones....
Debates are fun, others learn so much from them, and if you can't argue your point intelligently then its time to rethink your position. (while embarassing at times, its good hehe)
Debates are fun, others learn so much from them, and if you can't argue your point intelligently then its time to rethink your position. (while embarassing at times, its good hehe)
true that.........but like he said u have to be the pack leader the top person and i dont find what he is doing harsh at all some people need to grow some thicker skin.........what i find funny is that there are people that care more for a dog than a human being, like when i posted a video of a dog that was hit by a cyclist by accident and only one person said poor cyclist he got hurt too....the dog just walked it off nothing happen to him
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Cesar is alright. I find most of his training methods to be alright, I just don't agree with most of the alpha rolling or stuff like that. I watch the show because I like Cesar and the way he portrays pack mentality, which is a good thing with dogs. It is educational, and if his methods were crap, how come most of these dogs are totally different dogs when he is done with them?
I am not too familiar with dog stress (my girl is a very calm, collected girl), so I can't tell if the dog's are stressed or not. They look alright to me, and the methods he has used have changed a many dogs for the better.
I am not too familiar with dog stress (my girl is a very calm, collected girl), so I can't tell if the dog's are stressed or not. They look alright to me, and the methods he has used have changed a many dogs for the better.
Ahh but the question remains.. do they change for the better? He doesn't go back a year from now and see how the dog is doing. Anyone can go in and suppress (which causes a very 'calm' dog) but what about long term.
Read some of my links I posted, some really interesting, and much more eloquent than I, (by far more qualified persons than I) articles on his training methods. My personal opinion is that he is the most dangerous person in the USA to the average family dog. (people try what he says, get bitten, dog goes to shelter..)
Read some of my links I posted, some really interesting, and much more eloquent than I, (by far more qualified persons than I) articles on his training methods. My personal opinion is that he is the most dangerous person in the USA to the average family dog. (people try what he says, get bitten, dog goes to shelter..)
Paragraph of the year:
Jean Donaldson, director of dog training at the SFSPCA and author of "Culture Clash," a book about the human-dog relationship, views the history of dog training in pre- and post-Dunbar eras. "Ian is the man," she says. "He revolutionized the field." She, too, thinks Millan is tapping into something deeper in the current culture -- and his machismo is only part of it. "It's a backlash against political correctness," she says. "People are angry and life is frustrating and [when] someone tells them it's all about dominating something smaller and weaker? They'll go for that."
-http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/15/CMGPHL9D1N1.DTL
Jean Donaldson, director of dog training at the SFSPCA and author of "Culture Clash," a book about the human-dog relationship, views the history of dog training in pre- and post-Dunbar eras. "Ian is the man," she says. "He revolutionized the field." She, too, thinks Millan is tapping into something deeper in the current culture -- and his machismo is only part of it. "It's a backlash against political correctness," she says. "People are angry and life is frustrating and [when] someone tells them it's all about dominating something smaller and weaker? They'll go for that."
-http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/15/CMGPHL9D1N1.DTL
Er, have you seen the dogs he works on? Are you aware that the average family dog basically gets no formal training
whatsoever, and I wouldn't be surprised if the average is chronically underexcercised and, in general, absolute
terrors training wise?
Cesar has his issues-- no doubt, but you either grossly over estimate the average dog/owner, or greatly underestimate
him.
Personally, I don't like his methods, but I have taken the time to watch a lot of his shows and even read his book.
People love to focus on his negatives but, if one actually takes the time to listen to him, his basic principles, if
followed, are a huge improvement over what the average dog gets today.
Also, people acting violent with their dogs (see Alpha roll and worse), is not a new phenomoneon. Cesar can hardly be
singled out as a cause for dogs biting or poor training practices. Heck, the very training community that now beats
its chest over positive reinforcement used to be the prime example of tough love and discipline in the past.
whatsoever, and I wouldn't be surprised if the average is chronically underexcercised and, in general, absolute
terrors training wise?
Cesar has his issues-- no doubt, but you either grossly over estimate the average dog/owner, or greatly underestimate
him.
Personally, I don't like his methods, but I have taken the time to watch a lot of his shows and even read his book.
People love to focus on his negatives but, if one actually takes the time to listen to him, his basic principles, if
followed, are a huge improvement over what the average dog gets today.
Also, people acting violent with their dogs (see Alpha roll and worse), is not a new phenomoneon. Cesar can hardly be
singled out as a cause for dogs biting or poor training practices. Heck, the very training community that now beats
its chest over positive reinforcement used to be the prime example of tough love and discipline in the past.
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Well, I'm going to a new level with this one.
Ok, so I had a dog, named Coby. This dog was in need of some serious training after some abuse from my Dad. He had serious human, dog, and fear aggression. This is also a huge dog, pushing almost 100 pounds, and is all muscle.
Being that this dog was technically mine, I was going to be the one training him. This was going to be hard work no matter what.
I tried the NILIF treatment, his behavior got worse.
I tried positive reinforcement, his behavior got worse.
What is a girl to do? By this time we got cable, and I watched the Dog Whisperer. I thought "Humm, maybe I should try some of these methods, along with some others to reduce his chances of biting someone while feeding him." So, that I did. With cautions. This dog is strong, and had never bit me, but I wouldn't have put it passed him then. He was an accident waiting to happen, and I had to change him, before he hurt someone.
Now this is where it gets very interesting. I never alpha rolled him (I wasn't even going to try that with his big butt), I never hit him or popped him, or scruffed him. I did change my body language and how I acted around him. I took charge and showed his big butt that I was alpha dog, not him, and I wouldn't take his crap.
What do you think happened with him? I'll let you think it over and tell me what you think happened.
Ok, so I had a dog, named Coby. This dog was in need of some serious training after some abuse from my Dad. He had serious human, dog, and fear aggression. This is also a huge dog, pushing almost 100 pounds, and is all muscle.
Being that this dog was technically mine, I was going to be the one training him. This was going to be hard work no matter what.
I tried the NILIF treatment, his behavior got worse.
I tried positive reinforcement, his behavior got worse.
What is a girl to do? By this time we got cable, and I watched the Dog Whisperer. I thought "Humm, maybe I should try some of these methods, along with some others to reduce his chances of biting someone while feeding him." So, that I did. With cautions. This dog is strong, and had never bit me, but I wouldn't have put it passed him then. He was an accident waiting to happen, and I had to change him, before he hurt someone.
Now this is where it gets very interesting. I never alpha rolled him (I wasn't even going to try that with his big butt), I never hit him or popped him, or scruffed him. I did change my body language and how I acted around him. I took charge and showed his big butt that I was alpha dog, not him, and I wouldn't take his crap.
What do you think happened with him? I'll let you think it over and tell me what you think happened.
Angel Chicken - my guess would be that he got "better". Dogs do need solid leadership...
But I am very curious to read the end of you story!! LOL
The thing that I don't like about Cesar, and people who watch him - with stories just like that ^ Is that some people don't have a dog who has a big of a problem as the dogs on the show. I mean, some of the dogs have some serious issues, usually caused by the owners (but not ALWAYS so).
They watch Cesar, and start correcting the dog when they think it needs to be corrected (which may very well result in too much correcting. period.)
OR they actually do have a dog with dominant or aggressive issues and they stupidly try to jab them with their fingers, or attempt an alpha roll. And get bit. And then they "get rid of the dog", rehome, shelter, pound, PTS - you pick . . .
But I am very curious to read the end of you story!! LOL
The thing that I don't like about Cesar, and people who watch him - with stories just like that ^ Is that some people don't have a dog who has a big of a problem as the dogs on the show. I mean, some of the dogs have some serious issues, usually caused by the owners (but not ALWAYS so).
They watch Cesar, and start correcting the dog when they think it needs to be corrected (which may very well result in too much correcting. period.)
OR they actually do have a dog with dominant or aggressive issues and they stupidly try to jab them with their fingers, or attempt an alpha roll. And get bit. And then they "get rid of the dog", rehome, shelter, pound, PTS - you pick . . .