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[PoodleMommy]

Because my definition of the best & yours differ does not mean my animals are not well taken care of.

your the one who said their "just dogs"... you acted like they dont need to be taken care of and you can just throw whatever junk you want in front of them.

 

[HoundMusic]

Mmmm... nothing I like more than a steaming bowl full of diseased and euthanized pets. Delicious.

I would never ever feed my pets a grocery store food if I had other options... not in a million years. I'm content with my dogs being on a raw diet.

I can totally tell when a dog is fed a low quality food vs a high quality one.

That's fine, that's your perogative to feed your dogs what you like.

As for the phenobarb in pet food, wow. That was probably 6-7 years ago that issue was first brought up, and proven that no, euthanized pets are not in dog food If there were trace amounts of phenobarb in foods containing beef it was from the barbituates given to the cattle. Not only have I never fed any foods on that list, the issue has been resolved since then.

 

[Boxer100]

You do realize it was pro plan that tested positive for the drug that is used to kill pets right?

I fed pro plan too. And I do know dogs who do well on it. But things like drugs build up in their systems and affect them years down the road.

Hmm, where did you read this? What is the name of this drug? This sounds just like another rumor.

 

[Dekka]

Hi Boxer100 if you read my posts you will find a link

But I shall quote myself just for you

Purina has tested positive by an independent lab for pentobarbital.
pentobarbital in dog food

 

[Criosphynx]

iam still curious about how your not convinced that "herbals and veggies " are needed and then you going on and on about the virtues of corn.

So corn is the magic veggie? Why is it needed and not others?

Your a breeder and you "don't care about the ingrediants" in your dogs food? Because they aren't human?

That is bizzare my friend. Out of all the reasons given that one is the hardest to stomach.

 

[HoundMusic]

I'm amazed that such a huge group of dogs all had such horrible and wildly varying issues on the better foods...that's just...weird. Especially a kennel...how many dogs do you have that you feed 313lbs of food A DAY????

The rescue dogs I can sort of understand...I'm glad they're healthy though I don't understand one bit.

I currently have 13 dogs varying from 14-65lbs. I said I fed approximately 313 pounds of DOG per day, not food. I go through about 13-13.5 cups daily for all those dogs, which is not bad at all. That's average of one cup per dog, per day.

They are rabbit dogs first and foremost, so come winter not only do they require more feed from the colder weather, they are also extremely active. Any small deficiencies or weight loss can quickly become problematic. Add in the stress of breeding to the mix & it's easier than you think for dogs to loose condition. My dogs do not have any underlying hereditary issues that would have accounted for the feed problem. We have not even had so much as allergies or waxy ears in the breeding dogs, nor have they produced any issues that would somehow detract from the hardiness of the dog.

I have never said to anyone on any forum "Ewwwww - you feed such & such" even if I've had a bad experience with it or don't like what's in it. This is an adult forum, or at least it is supposed to be one. You don't like what another feeds then don't feed it yourself but there is no need for anyone to berate or accuse a poster of not caring for their dogs becuase they choose to feed differently tahn another - especially when that food is working very well for them.

ETA: This discussion seems to be turning into a personal attack - I am officially out of it. Have a nice day

 

[Boxer100]

Hi Boxer100 if you read my posts you will find a link

But I shall quote myself just for you

That testing was done in 2002. Things have changed since then. How do you know that the food you're using now does not have traces of this drug? Do they perform these tests every year because that article is old?

 

[Dekka]

Purina has not changed their polices or process since then regarding 4D meat or animal fat from rendering plants.

I feed all human grade animal pieces (raw) so I feel as safe as possible with out raising the animals myself. When I do feed kibble its all human grade ingredients.

This article was a one time study. I wish it was ongoing.. but who would fund it? Certainly NOT the big dog food companies. No one else has the money or the interest.

But it does confirm predictions based on their practises. It wasn't known for sure that Pentobarbitol would make it through to the final product before. I am sure the occasional bag of ALL purina dog foods have dead pets in them. Its just hit and miss with regards to what was in that particular batch of fat from the rendering plant.

 

[FluffyZooCrew]

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Seriously guys, you will NEVER find a dog forum where everyone agree's on what food is best. There is no one perfect food, or every dog would be on it and do fabulous.

Be honest, does anyone here think I don't love, or take care, of my dogs just because they are on Purina food? They get the best of everything I have, and all the love in the world, but does everyone here seriously think that I am a bad owner because I feed Purina? If so, there's a serious problem here. But the sad part is, on this forum and so many others, some people truly come across as judging ones love for their animal by the food they feed. It's like the underlying thought is, "Oh God, you feed Purina? You must not care that much about your animal." And I've come across too many raw feeders who all but come across with an air of, I love my dog more because I feed him a raw diet. Well now, good for you.

I love my dogs. I'm fine with what I feed them.

And we can have a good debate about dog food, without some people turning it into an attack of one member against another. That, honestly, is just childish.

 

[Criosphynx]

as much as I apreciate your nasty PM Houndmusic...


Iam simply trying to get a better feel about how your "really feel" about dogs...you have repeatedly refered to them as if they were objects. While most people refer to their dogs by their names.

If your dogs are not objects they must have names or else they are "just dogs" not kids in fur suits.

FZC I never. not once said anyone was a bad owner for feeding certain foods..In fact I said "have at it and good luck" several times.

 

[Boxer100]

Purina has not changed their polices or process since then regarding 4D meat or animal fat from rendering plants.

How do you know this? Do you work for them or know someone who does? I know that raw is the best option, but when talking about kibble food, Purina Pro Plan is one of the better foods that works for our dog. It has good meat content and uses real meat. I'm aware that there are many other foods with even better ingredients, but we just do not have access to those.

 

[PoodleMommy]

There is judgment in everything.

You dont let people have rescue dogs if they dont have fences... thats a judgment, that you are a better pet owner because you have a fence, now isnt it?

Im sorry but I cant label someone as an animal lover when they say they are "just dogs".

 

[FluffyZooCrew]

Crios, I wasn't targeting you, or anyone else, I was just talking in general.

You dont let people have rescue dogs if they dont have fences... thats a judgment, that you are a better pet owner because you have a fence, now isnt it?

Ummmm, no.

I never said, or even thought, I was a better pet owner just because I have a fence. Almost everyone I know that owns a dog doesn't have a fence, only a few do. I just prefer that any dogs I adopt out, go to a home with a fence. Too much bad history of getting updates that the dog was let free to run loose and got hit by a car, stolen, got into a fight on the neighbor's property, picked up by animal control, ect. Fences aren't fool-proof, but they are a requirement of mine when adopting out. But my foster dogs are dogs that I put my time, effort, and money into. So if I want a fence as a requirement, so be it. Had absolutely nothing with judging what kind of owner someone is just because they do, or do not, have a fence. It's purely for the dog's safety. Good grief!

You've got to be kidding me. Now I'm being accused of judging that I am a better pet owner just because my property is fenced in? :facepalm:

 

[Dekka]

How do you know this? Do you work for them or know someone who does? I know that raw is the best option, but when talking about kibble food, Purina Pro Plan is one of the better foods that works for our dog. It has good meat content and uses real meat. I'm aware that there are many other foods with even better ingredients, but we just do not have access to those.

Send them an email. Its not hard. You can get tours of their plant and ask them questions. Ask them how they have changed what goes into their foods. Ask them if there have been any changes to the rendering process or where they get their ingredients from in the last few years.

Pro Plan is not one of the better foods by any means. But do your own digging. Pro plan uses 4D meats. You are feeding your dog sick and diseased 'real' meat. I would rather feed kibbles that are made from healthy and human grade 'real' meat.

Also pro plan is full of grain.. almost as much grain as I feed my horses. Yumm. It does not have a 'good meat content'.

As you may or may not know, the first five ingredients comprise the major portion of the dog food. Here's a breakdown of the first five from the ProPlan ingredient list you posted. Some of these definitions contain quotes from various canine nutrition reference books. It would be a lengthy process to credit them all, but if there is anything you'd like referenced, I'd be glad to tell you.

Chicken - Chicken is good. Keep in mind though that the ingredients are weighed before processing. During processing most of the moisture is removed from the chicken. When you stack it up against the other ingredients which were dry to begin with, you'll find there is less chicken than grain.

corn gluten meal - This is used by manufacturers as a cheap source of protein. It is the dried residue of corn that remains after most of the starch and germ-containing grain has been removed and the bran has been separated and removed. This protein source is not as digestible as high-quality animal protein and it is deficient in two amino acids, lysine and tryptophan, which are essential to a dog's health.

brewer's rice - This is a waste product of the alcohol industry and is a cheap carbohydrate source. It does not contain any of the nutrients of whole grain rice.

beef tallow - This is just plain old fat. It is mostly empty of nutrition but is a cheap way of boosting the calorie count of a food. It is preserved with Vitamin E because feeding a diet high in fat destroys Vitamin E so more must be added. People quite often judge the quality of a dog's food by the shine on their coat. This can be misleading because if you add a high amount of fat to a diet, just about any coat will shine. Beef tallow is a saturated fat, which is an unhealthy fat and it is very low in linoleic acid which is an essential fat for dogs. Dogs love the taste of fat and will, of course, wolf this type of food right down. A dog cannot judge the quality of its food, it just knows what tastes good.

whole grain corn - This is even less digestible than the corn gluten meal and is still missing essential amino acids.

It appears that this food definitely contains more grain than meat and it is very high in fat. Its second ingredient is what is known as a "fragment" which is a lower cost byproduct of another food manufacturing process. The company has indulged in a little "splitting" of ingredients so you hopefully don't realize the dog is eating a lot of corn. Corn gluten meal and corn are still corn no matter what you call them.

So to expand on those points. The chicken if whole chicken so if you dried it first and THEN added it in to the kibble it wouldnt' be first on the list! Not so good for your 'good meat content'.

The beef tallow is where some of the real nasties come in. This is what comes from the rendering plants!

Once again.. don't take my word for it, or theirs. Do some digging on your own. There is lots and lots of info out there.

 

[Dekka]

Crios, I wasn't targeting you, or anyone else, I was just talking in general.



Ummmm, no.

I never said, or even thought, I was a better pet owner just because I have a fence. Almost everyone I know that owns a dog doesn't have a fence, only a few do. I just prefer that any dogs I adopt out, go to a home with a fence. Too much bad history of getting updates that the dog was let free to run loose and got hit by a car, stolen, got into a fight on the neighbor's property, picked up by animal control, ect. Fences aren't fool-proof, but they are a requirement of mine when adopting out. But my foster dogs are dogs that I put my time, effort, and money into. So if I want a fence as a requirement, so be it. Had absolutely nothing with judging what kind of owner someone is just because they do, or do not, have a fence. It's purely for the dog's safety. Good grief!

Ok say I told you I fed my child hot dogs and chips ALL the time and he looked GREAT. His weight looked good and his hair was shiny! And if I tried to feed him milk or veggies he didnt' do as well. Would that be ok? Or would you wonder what is going on? Would you think that is the best diet to grow up on? Do you think he would live a long and healthy life on that diet compared to one full of fruits and veggies and lean meats?

 

[PoodleMommy]

Ummmm, no.

I never said, or even thought, I was a better pet owner just because I have a fence. Almost everyone I know that owns a dog doesn't have a fence, only a few do. I just prefer that any dogs I adopt out, go to a home with a fence. Too much bad history of getting updates that the dog was let free to run loose and got hit by a car, stolen, got into a fight on the neighbor's property, picked up by animal control, ect. Fences aren't fool-proof, but they are a requirement of mine when adopting out. But my foster dogs are dogs that I put my time, effort, and money into. So if I want a fence as a requirement, so be it. Had absolutely nothing with judging what kind of owner someone is just because they do, or do not, have a fence. It's purely for the dog's safety. Good grief!

You've got to be kidding me. Now I'm being accused of judging that I am a better pet owner just because my property is fenced in? :facepalm:

Its a judgment being made whether you want to see it or not.

Im just so sick of people judging everything and then getting mad when other people judge them.

It happens.

You think fences are essential to dog ownership, others think good nutrition is.

 

[FluffyZooCrew]

Obviously not Dekka, but dogs aren't humans. Humans can eat raw meat, eat their own poop, and many other things they ingest that humans wouldn't. So I really try not to compare a dog to a human in that sense. I never said I agree with what goes into the cheap food, not once. But I did say, and will say again, that my dogs do great on it. So why worry about my guys being on a food that actually agree's with them, as opposed to questioning why I never kept them on food(s) that made them sick?

 

[FluffyZooCrew]

You think fences are essential to dog ownership, others think good nutrition is.

Wrong, and completely opposite of this. You seem to think that NO DOG should EVER be on a cheap food like Purina. I do NOT think fences are essential to dog ownership. I simply require that fences be in place to dogs that *I* adopt out. Maybe to dog ownership with my fosters, but that's it. Not to dog ownership completely, that's absurd.

That's like me saying that no one should own a dog without a fence. THAT'S the type of judgement you are accusing me of, and it's ridiculous and false.

 

[PoodleMommy]

Wrong, and completely opposite of this. You seem to think that NO DOG should EVER be on a cheap food like Purina. I do NOT think fences are essential to dog ownership. I simply require that fences be in place to dogs that *I* adopt out. Maybe to dog ownership with my fosters, but that's it. Not to dog ownership completely, that's absurd.

That's like me saying that no one should own a dog without a fence. THAT'S the type of judgement you are accusing me of, and it's ridiculous and false.

Whatever, I am not going to continue arguing about this in this thread.

Think about the judgments your making thats all Im saying.

 

[Dekka]

Yes they can. Should they live on poop? No. Should they live on chemicals and sick (as in full of medication in many cases) animals? That is for you to decide. If you feed purina chances are at some time (or regularly) be feeding small amounts of the drug that is used to kill pets.

If you are ok with that.. thats fine. But its all the denial that this stuff is there and that there is no way it can have any effect cause your dogs look fine now. Would you like me to tell you how Alex's last few months were? He was fed Pro plan cause we thought it was a good food.

At least the other poster was honest and said they 'are just dogs'. If you consider them 'just dogs' then its not likely that you worry at night if they die before their time to cancer. But FZC I am surprised at you as you seem to genuinely love animals.