The fire department here does that. They have a "Santa's Helpers" day which is huge. Santa arrives on a train or helicopter (seriously) and kids sit on his lap, there's weiner roasts... in the meantime the firefighters are out on the street doing a helmut drive. They collect thousands of dollars in a few hours and then they put together food hampers and toys for needy families.
Dog Bite...
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I was trained with it and have had it used on me; trust me it would have to be VERY windy (Strong propellent) for it to throw of the stream of Pepperspray. Agile dog? They don't know what is about to hit them; it is harder to dodge Pepperspray than a bullet because it is a constant stream.
I guess I don't understand why someone would be so quick to kill a dog when you have a baton (I doubt a dog can take a human trained to use a baton), Pepperspray, two feet and two hands. I would think if you choose to shoot the dog, it is because you are either irrationally afraid, undertrained or just looking to "Shoot'em up" cowboy style. If you are trained properly and know how to use the tools of your profession, there is no need to shoot a dog coming at you.
I guess I don't understand why someone would be so quick to kill a dog when you have a baton (I doubt a dog can take a human trained to use a baton), Pepperspray, two feet and two hands. I would think if you choose to shoot the dog, it is because you are either irrationally afraid, undertrained or just looking to "Shoot'em up" cowboy style. If you are trained properly and know how to use the tools of your profession, there is no need to shoot a dog coming at you.
What is a BMD?? sorry....Im not up on all the abbreviations...lol. Is it a Bull Mastiff? Ours is a gentle giant and would never hurt anyone (unless maybe a family member was in REAL danger, but I've never seen him aggressive toward any other person or animal-he's just a big clown who wants to play w/everyone....)-and that's the general view I get from most people who own them.....
Whoo-I've gone through pepper spray training (full face exposure...), and that is some NASTY stuff!!! But in all honesty, if I was in a situation where I was going into a situation as a law inforcement officer and a dog came charging at me w/teeth bared, it would be shot-it's an unfortunate thing, but you have to consider your own safety and that of your team at that point........And I'm trained to use a baton, too-but you look at your use of force options-if someone is coming at you w/a knife (or some other means of deadly force) you would probably use your gun instead of your asp-the same goes for a dog trained to defend his home.....I don't think it has anything to do w/irrational fear, or wanting to go in cowboy style at all, sorry.
First a man with a knife is a lot more dangerous than a dog. Most Self Defense trainers will tell you that within 15 feet a man with a knife is potentially more dangerous than a man with a gun.
Also everytime you discharge a gun you are putting lives at risk. If you use your baton to stop the dog, it is unlikely to bounce off concrete or a rock and hit you or someone else near by (same with your Pepper Spray and your hands and feet. Even if you have no compassion for the dog (not saying you don't) it is a better option not to use your gun.
Any police dept. that is training people to shoot first has not had good legal consul use of force in a populated area.
I wonder how police in the UK deal with dogs....they don't even have guns usually
Also everytime you discharge a gun you are putting lives at risk. If you use your baton to stop the dog, it is unlikely to bounce off concrete or a rock and hit you or someone else near by (same with your Pepper Spray and your hands and feet. Even if you have no compassion for the dog (not saying you don't) it is a better option not to use your gun.
Any police dept. that is training people to shoot first has not had good legal consul use of force in a populated area.
I wonder how police in the UK deal with dogs....they don't even have guns usually
right, right-the knife was a bad example, I guess. I haven't ever been in a situation where I had to decide to shoot or not shoot at a dog, but I can understand the cases where a police officer feels that shooting the dog is necessary for their own safety. (For the record, I was not a police officer, I was a boarding officer in the Coast Guard, and didn't get much training on the use of pepper spray against dogs, and maybe I would feel differently if I had)I just don't think I'd want an unknown, clearly aggressive dog who is showing me that he wants to attack me getting close enough for me to use my baton. It would be a heartbreaking decision, either way, though.
BMD = Bernese Mountain Dog (Or Berner) See: www.bmdca.org for more info.
i think some of you are missing the point - those of you going "phew, my breed isnt on there" or "those werent REAL [insert your breed here]'s, they were mixes" ---
your breed WILL be on there at some point. your breed HAS bitten a person, that i will guarantee you. and if you sit back and allow breed bans to continue for OTHER breeds, it won't be long until they keep moving on to more and more breeds.
you can sit back and let them ban other breeds, but who is going to help you once it gets to YOUr breed? after youve been relaxing and consoling yourself saying "but its not MY breed"...
your breed WILL be on there at some point. your breed HAS bitten a person, that i will guarantee you. and if you sit back and allow breed bans to continue for OTHER breeds, it won't be long until they keep moving on to more and more breeds.
you can sit back and let them ban other breeds, but who is going to help you once it gets to YOUr breed? after youve been relaxing and consoling yourself saying "but its not MY breed"...
First off... anything with teeth can bite. Second, I do believe that certain breeds are "made" for protection and will protect. Boxers, who I love, are great with children. Mine, I trained him as an attack dog, but my baby and any other children could do anything to him and he would not flinch. As for a stranger approaching my car or home...whole different story. Putting all breeds aside, I think (in my own experience) some dogs (like people can be born with "mental issues.") The others, I believe the home enviornment, training, love, education the owners have, and post. reinforcement can do a lot. Again, as much as we love our pets, they are animals, and can have a "reaction" that we may not be able to control. Heck, we can't control all humans, or expect them to behave in a positive manner at all times, how can we expect our dogs to? I believe it's a case by case issue.
I don't think any breed dog should be banned. Where I live you can't have pits or rottties. Which I think is not right. I hate that insurance companies will denie you insurance(house or rental) for the breed of dog you have.
I have been attacked by a golden that I was raised with. We don't know why he just snapped. I worry about my own dog sometimes he can be possesive and aggressive at times,I am doing alot of research on how to curb that.
I have been attacked by a golden that I was raised with. We don't know why he just snapped. I worry about my own dog sometimes he can be possesive and aggressive at times,I am doing alot of research on how to curb that.