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Im so sorry for you - it has happened to me where owners of my co owned top stud dogs allowed them to run loose on unfenced property to be shot by hunters in the very same spot another dog of the same owner was killed a year before.
Some people NEVER learn---- and the pain is so real for the breeder -- because you think could I have found a better home? and some buyers will say just about anything to you to KISS your ass to get a dog from you adn then you find out really how they are.
Price? well to me not all the best homes are the ones that can pay the highest.
Im sending a hug to you and telling you those dogs of yours will be waiting for YOU at Rainbow bridge NOT the stupid ass owners who should NOT be allowed to own anything but a stuff animal!!
I have tears in my eyes cause knock on wood I have lost not one dog to a avoidable accident ever .Yet ive had dogs hit by cars and shot by a hunters and other freak accidents .. You cant let it get to you..... Im I would assume you did the things you wrote just like I do Application Long one, tons of time on the tel or in person before during and after the purchase, clause for basic trainging Heh i had a clause that said do not let the dog go UNFENCED .
DID THEY LISTEN ? NO
Dont matter once they leave your house no matter the work you do or how long your contract is they will do what they want to do.
And saying i told you so to them gets you a disgruntled buyer .
So better you come here to cry and deal with it.
Some people NEVER learn---- and the pain is so real for the breeder -- because you think could I have found a better home? and some buyers will say just about anything to you to KISS your ass to get a dog from you adn then you find out really how they are.
Price? well to me not all the best homes are the ones that can pay the highest.
Im sending a hug to you and telling you those dogs of yours will be waiting for YOU at Rainbow bridge NOT the stupid ass owners who should NOT be allowed to own anything but a stuff animal!!
I have tears in my eyes cause knock on wood I have lost not one dog to a avoidable accident ever .Yet ive had dogs hit by cars and shot by a hunters and other freak accidents .. You cant let it get to you..... Im I would assume you did the things you wrote just like I do Application Long one, tons of time on the tel or in person before during and after the purchase, clause for basic trainging Heh i had a clause that said do not let the dog go UNFENCED .
DID THEY LISTEN ? NO
Dont matter once they leave your house no matter the work you do or how long your contract is they will do what they want to do.
And saying i told you so to them gets you a disgruntled buyer .
So better you come here to cry and deal with it.
Cindr, maybe this should be sent in a private email but please remember that things you say online are taken as truth by a lot of people that have sincere sympathy for something like a puppy dieing, in that manner. We've spoken about all of the dogs you were selling on line, trying to breed and the stud services you were soliciting. You identified yourself, then said the ad was for friends dogs. You said you do not breed dobermans, just GSDs'. I asked about the dobie pup you had for sale, you again said it wasn't yours in the ad. I asked about the dobie stud service you advertised at $1500.00 a pop and you said you were just testing 2 guys that came to your house to inquire a puppy and about breeding their female to your stud, that didn't really exist. You said they were just trying to make a buck, you wouldn't sell them a puppy even if you had one and that your dogs would never go for more than $1000.00 or so. They were wanting to breed and sell puppies for much more and were doing some unethical things that you were going to report them for. Now you're talking about the doberman puppy you sold recently for $2500.00, dieing in someones arms after strangling in bushes with multiple wasp stings. You were very defensive with julie when she asked why you even need to ask "should you sell these people another puppy"... calling her "honey" and saying "I have nothing to hide". That was very "telling'. I'm going to call it like I see it at this point. I have nothing against you, I don't know you, but I am bothered when your stories and info given over the internet do not make sense. When kids read these things, I think you're doing them a disservice. They don't know what's fictional. "Chaz" seems like a nice forum for pet owners to get together and gather info, brag about their pets and network. For people who show, to display their hard work in posts and pictures. For real trainers, breeders and veterinarians to share their knowlege. I too have seen some of the negative statements made about internet sites like this and believe it's because of the legitimacy of the posters, coming into question after awhile. Chaz is a great website, I hate to see that compremised. Please think about that.
OMG im sorry I helped with many rescues from that mass production line years ago - from Filas to GSD to Wolf Hybrids and Dobes they are not that far from me.
People would buy from them cause they have pups every day available and then they would rather dump them in shelthers or rescue then return them ot that place which dont say much for the place.
They were high end commercial breeders and I lost track of them after the fire. Offering rebates for buyers to title dogs but not doing anything other than breeding with the vast majority of the stock. Are they puppymills now?
Well to the original poster I still feel bad when a breeder loses a dog and i hope you can separate the issues of your own personal pain vs breeding a dog from a breeder such as stated above.
Also I would NEVER sell them or give them another dog this was avoidable.
People would buy from them cause they have pups every day available and then they would rather dump them in shelthers or rescue then return them ot that place which dont say much for the place.
They were high end commercial breeders and I lost track of them after the fire. Offering rebates for buyers to title dogs but not doing anything other than breeding with the vast majority of the stock. Are they puppymills now?
Well to the original poster I still feel bad when a breeder loses a dog and i hope you can separate the issues of your own personal pain vs breeding a dog from a breeder such as stated above.
Also I would NEVER sell them or give them another dog this was avoidable.
C
Okay here we go again, not a problem and no worries! Yes we did breed our Dob Miss Zoe we paid $1500.00 for the stud service too her. We have not bred her since. The dog that was sold and just died, well this is what we had invested into her.
1) All shots
2) Ears, tails, dew claws Registration papers, micro chip all done
3)Two yr guar and buy back contract placed on the dog
What did the purchaser pay for Miss Jade?
1) $2500.00
What did it cover?
1) All of the above Ears, tails, all shots, deworming, heart worm med,s Registration papers and the shipping costs from me to the new owner.
Which to me is a fair price, when you put the mathamatic's together.
Do we own a stud dog? Doberman or Shepherd? NO! Do we have a male dog on the property? Yes! Kizer! German Shepherd 4 months old.
What did we pay to have Miss Zoe bred? $1500.00 usfds ! What did we pay for Miss Zoe? $2000.00 usfds
Do we assist other with their dogs stud services? Yes! We do advertise for other's as well as screen the other owners dogs and their intentions! yes!
Did I have two air heads at my home enquiring about breeding, stud service, and a purchase of a dog? Yes! Did I bring it to this forums attention? Yes!
Do we assist other's REPUTABLE BREEDER"S SELL OR ADVERTISE THEIR DOGS? Yes we do!
So now please tell me where I have lied and or miss lead anyone on this forum?
I think the problem with this is that you, otch1 do not like me! Hey that is okay, your choice! I have no worries! As well as far as Julie, you look at the post and tell me that was not an attack? Hey I was big enough to appoligise but I guess that holds no meaning here. What ever like I said I have nothing to hide. I have answered all of your questions and that is all that matters to me. Anything else you'd like to say?
1) All shots
2) Ears, tails, dew claws Registration papers, micro chip all done
3)Two yr guar and buy back contract placed on the dog
What did the purchaser pay for Miss Jade?
1) $2500.00
What did it cover?
1) All of the above Ears, tails, all shots, deworming, heart worm med,s Registration papers and the shipping costs from me to the new owner.
Which to me is a fair price, when you put the mathamatic's together.
Do we own a stud dog? Doberman or Shepherd? NO! Do we have a male dog on the property? Yes! Kizer! German Shepherd 4 months old.
What did we pay to have Miss Zoe bred? $1500.00 usfds ! What did we pay for Miss Zoe? $2000.00 usfds
Do we assist other with their dogs stud services? Yes! We do advertise for other's as well as screen the other owners dogs and their intentions! yes!
Did I have two air heads at my home enquiring about breeding, stud service, and a purchase of a dog? Yes! Did I bring it to this forums attention? Yes!
Do we assist other's REPUTABLE BREEDER"S SELL OR ADVERTISE THEIR DOGS? Yes we do!
So now please tell me where I have lied and or miss lead anyone on this forum?
I think the problem with this is that you, otch1 do not like me! Hey that is okay, your choice! I have no worries! As well as far as Julie, you look at the post and tell me that was not an attack? Hey I was big enough to appoligise but I guess that holds no meaning here. What ever like I said I have nothing to hide. I have answered all of your questions and that is all that matters to me. Anything else you'd like to say?
Cindr, I agree with otch1. Too many of your stories just don't add up. I must add that Canada, while a big country, has a relatively small training/breeding/showing community. Many of us know eachother from province to province and know who's on the up and up and who is not.
Chaz is a great group. Many members take posts as gospel and I personally find it very disturbing to see things posted that I know to be untrue.
Chaz is a great group. Many members take posts as gospel and I personally find it very disturbing to see things posted that I know to be untrue.
If you have a Kimbertal bitch, that dog is from the most notorious puppy mills out there. Kimbertal breeds the most horribly anatomically incorrect, genetically and tempermentally unsound Dobermans in the world. They are highly disrespected by Doberman fanciers and reputable breeders alike. Now, this is not to insult your dog. Sure, there can be an exception here and there. And I'm sure you love your dog and she's a nice dog. However, to breed this dog would be to perpetuate bloodlines which can ruin the integrety of the breed.
No one dislikes you personally, I'm sure. This is about the disjointed, confusing, inconsistancies and fantastically dramatic stories which you have posted. Whether or not some or all are exaggerated isn't the point. The point Otch is trying to make, I think..... is that many young people are reading these things and looking up to you as having a training center, training trainers and breeding dogs. One time it's yes. One time it's no. And another time, it's not exactly this way, but that way. It's confusing. And for people trying to get healthy education, they need something solid, true and consistant and something they can trust. When it appears to many that some of these factors are missing or have holes in them, it throws everyone off track.
I like you. We've posted back and forth. I have not one thing against you personally. It would be nice to get the straight pitch though, straight forward.... less confusing.
No one dislikes you personally, I'm sure. This is about the disjointed, confusing, inconsistancies and fantastically dramatic stories which you have posted. Whether or not some or all are exaggerated isn't the point. The point Otch is trying to make, I think..... is that many young people are reading these things and looking up to you as having a training center, training trainers and breeding dogs. One time it's yes. One time it's no. And another time, it's not exactly this way, but that way. It's confusing. And for people trying to get healthy education, they need something solid, true and consistant and something they can trust. When it appears to many that some of these factors are missing or have holes in them, it throws everyone off track.
I like you. We've posted back and forth. I have not one thing against you personally. It would be nice to get the straight pitch though, straight forward.... less confusing.
Cindr, I truly don't dislike you. I have a legitimate concern as a professional trainer, kennel owner/ operator. I also have a Dobie and show dogs. You have made statements that are simply not true. Please consider the people who read them, from kids to pros in the dog industry and think about some of the information you've given. That's all I'm suggesting, so everything stays "legit" and believable.
C
Okay this is getting too out of hand! I do not own a Kimbertal Dob, the dog i own has the Hoytt bloodlines, and to be honest with you all of the dogs in that breeding seem to be fine. But hey what do I know!
The stuff I have talked about are true, no fabrications there. I guess going into the real world we all want to be blind sided. How would or could anyone ever make up the stories that I have seen and lived through? I can not help that you do not beleive them I can not change that either. Well I am off for now, I have another emergancy to take care of., Latter guys
The stuff I have talked about are true, no fabrications there. I guess going into the real world we all want to be blind sided. How would or could anyone ever make up the stories that I have seen and lived through? I can not help that you do not beleive them I can not change that either. Well I am off for now, I have another emergancy to take care of., Latter guys
http://germanshepherd.forumup.com/?mforum=germanshepherd
I didn't know you were.......I must have missed that.
I didn't know you were.......I must have missed that.
Cindr, I want to make sure I do not turn this into a debate between you and I about wrether or not you should breed dogs, what you breed, wrether or not you're really a trainer, or what businesses you own. I want you to consider the "weight" of some of your stories. The impact they have on posters and understand that (speaking for myself) I've really enjoyed this site and want to keep reading. I'd like to believe that no one's hiding anything or has ill intentions here. And with that... I'd better get back to my dogs or someone's going to question if I'm really a trainer for a living! Lol! Have a good day.
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