DA dogs and dog parks?
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May not seem "fair" to some but I agree 100% with Reggin's first paragraph. If there's no other convenient off-leash area then I would drive some distance with a DA dog to find one, as a special treat on weekends for the dog. Agree with her second paragraph as well, but the first one proactively prevents a situation like the second describes.
An once of prevention is worth of slew of bad feelings, possible lawsuits, vet bills, etc., etc. ...
An once of prevention is worth of slew of bad feelings, possible lawsuits, vet bills, etc., etc. ...
I agree. I wish more dog parks were like mine as well (sounds like yous is just like mine). We have 4 differnt parking lots. You can see 30 cars in the parking lots and not run in to any one. I go at offpeak times. Since I go every day at the same time (from about 2pm until about 4pm) I see the same people if I want. I know where to meet people, its a 20 min walk fromt he parking lot, deep in to the woods where the wate is. If I dont want to see them I take the long trail, no one really ever uses. Its not hard to be out there and just be by yourself. I have gone down some days and in all 4 parking lots not seen a single car, which means I have about 800 acres to myself (and the deer, foxes, raccons ect lol)
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yeah, I can't quite wrap my head around how it's not okay to bring a dog DA or DR dog into the dog park, but ill-mannered dogs that hump and nag are acceptable. I know more dogs that have aggressive tendencies that are so much more well-behaved and under voice control in situations like a crowded dog park then dogs that do not have aggressive tendencies.
I agree its hard to avoid when they are laying around. i find lots of toys at our park. I find about 3 or 4 balls while walking a day. Today I found 3 tennis balls, a rope toy, a tennis ball on a rope and a wubba thingy. I never need to buy toys for Blaze lol. My point was more if you dont want a dog to steal your dogs toys, then dont bring them, or if it makes you mad that a dog will also join in the game of fetch, dont play it.
Its all consercation out in my area. Not all of it is a dog park, not even half of it is. But its all "untamed" woods that we all use as a dog park too. There is a gravel pit about 50 or so acres that is a dog park. The rest is like I said untamed woods. , no one looks after, trails are all made by people walking. the city couldnt careless about looking after the space. legally you are not allowed to have them offleash out of the "pit" , but I and most people do it any way. As like I said its not used for anything else but dog walkers, and the odd mountain biker.
Its all consercation out in my area. Not all of it is a dog park, not even half of it is. But its all "untamed" woods that we all use as a dog park too. There is a gravel pit about 50 or so acres that is a dog park. The rest is like I said untamed woods. , no one looks after, trails are all made by people walking. the city couldnt careless about looking after the space. legally you are not allowed to have them offleash out of the "pit" , but I and most people do it any way. As like I said its not used for anything else but dog walkers, and the odd mountain biker.
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Then your dog is not under your voice control and should NEVER be offleash anywhere. How is the woods any safer? You don't know who or what is those woods. You assume no one else uses them for their dog when you can never know for sure, especially when in the dark. If your dog is not under your voice control, your dog should not be offleash and that should apply to EVERY dog and dog owner, not just dogs that have aggression tendencies.
Why is it a given? Why isn't it a given, since all dogs are to be under control at all times that she a person couldn't enter and ask if her dogs can play with another dog? I can do that, why can't the same common courtesy be extended to everyone. I an uncontrolled dog gets up in anothers face or gets pushy or acts like a butthead, why is it the other persons fault? I don't get it??
why not, its a park to play with your dog offleash and under control. I can play with mine, they've never stolen another's toy. Why can't I play with my dogs because somebody else can't control their's???
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That certainly isn't what i'm saying. In fact I think if a dog is being overly pushy it derserves to be put in its place and fast without any repercussions to the other dog. But some are saying that if your dog doesn't put up with it, it doesn't belong there, not my sentiment at all.
why not, its a park to play with your dog offleash and under control. I can play with mine, they've never stolen another's toy. Why can't I play with my dogs because somebody else can't control their's???
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That certainly isn't what i'm saying. In fact I think if a dog is being overly pushy it derserves to be put in its place and fast without any repercussions to the other dog. But some are saying that if your dog doesn't put up with it, it doesn't belong there, not my sentiment at all.
How is a dog not under control. If a dog is used to playing fetch, it wont know the difference between playing with its owner or playing with you. If a dog chases the ball as well then its just playing. Blaze would chase your dog down as well if he seen a ball go flying, he wouldnt ake i, but he would be chasing it like he wants it (He doesnt want a toy after he relizes that another dog wants it. Even if he picks it up he will drop it the second another dog comes by for it)
If I dont want another dog playing fetch with my dog and my ball, I simply dont play, or I go some where that there is no other dogs.
But I normaly like when another dog wants to play too, espeacially those retrivers, since blaze only half assed gets the ball and brings it back, but normally a lab will always bring it back, so I never have to go search for it in the bushs lol.
If I dont want another dog playing fetch with my dog and my ball, I simply dont play, or I go some where that there is no other dogs.
But I normaly like when another dog wants to play too, espeacially those retrivers, since blaze only half assed gets the ball and brings it back, but normally a lab will always bring it back, so I never have to go search for it in the bushs lol.
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I don't believe habitual naggers or humpers are acceptable either. But that's a matter of manners rather than liability and there's just too much litigation anymore regarding these issues. Everytime another one hits the news it does nothing to promote responsible owners of DA dogs vs. irresponsible ones. No, the public just lumps them all together.
If by chance a DA dog causes an injury the dog's owner will be liable. If it goes far enough the dog might even be ordered destroyed, even if it was the other dog that instigated an attack. Not fair, but unfortunately that's the climate now whether anybody likes it or not.
On the other hand, nobody's going to get too far filing a lawsuit because somebody else's dog keeps nagging or humping. That would provide court personnel with plenty of laughs before it got thrown but unlikely to get press time unless it's a really slow news day ... even then only on the "Weird News" page.
There shouldn't be any problem taking a DA dog that's completely under control to a dog park. Personally I wouldn't take the chance though .... just in case on the very extremely off-chance that somebody else's dog really went overboard and pushed my DA dog too far. Because I would already know who's dog would get blamed, regardless of what really happened.
If by chance a DA dog causes an injury the dog's owner will be liable. If it goes far enough the dog might even be ordered destroyed, even if it was the other dog that instigated an attack. Not fair, but unfortunately that's the climate now whether anybody likes it or not.
On the other hand, nobody's going to get too far filing a lawsuit because somebody else's dog keeps nagging or humping. That would provide court personnel with plenty of laughs before it got thrown but unlikely to get press time unless it's a really slow news day ... even then only on the "Weird News" page.
There shouldn't be any problem taking a DA dog that's completely under control to a dog park. Personally I wouldn't take the chance though .... just in case on the very extremely off-chance that somebody else's dog really went overboard and pushed my DA dog too far. Because I would already know who's dog would get blamed, regardless of what really happened.
I never understand it either. Blaze does NOT at all like to be greated on leash for the most part. In pet stores he is totaly fine, I dont know why, maybe becuase he has always had good experiences inside stores with dogs. outside he is another story. For the most part he will just walk by a dog, but he will be veryyyyy tense. He will bite a dog when on leash, and has tried, luckily never has done it though. I'm always mad at people who just le ttheir dog up to mine while on leash. If I even see a leashed dog at out dog park/conservation, i call blaze away ASAP and leash him, I know how it feels when a loose dog goes near a leashed dog and i worry. Thats why I HATE walking him in my neighboorhood, so many little dogs on flexis 20 feet away from owners in Blazes face.
It's not just rude, in MANY cases..........it's an act of domination.
How is THAT not aggressive? <-------question directed at people who don't think it's as big an issue as "DA" or "DR"
So instead of snarling or snapping, you hump your way into the other dog's submission..........okie dokie then.
In people speak, I would consider that the difference of someone who follows me around lightly shoving me or someone coming up and outright punching me............either way it's aggressive and unacceptable.
How is THAT not aggressive? <-------question directed at people who don't think it's as big an issue as "DA" or "DR"
So instead of snarling or snapping, you hump your way into the other dog's submission..........okie dokie then.
In people speak, I would consider that the difference of someone who follows me around lightly shoving me or someone coming up and outright punching me............either way it's aggressive and unacceptable.
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My only advice, Gemp, is to go and scout out the place. If there is a small dog section, use it if you don't feel comfortable with the boys in the big area with other dogs. Sizzle, Hillside and I will use the little dog area with Ronin, Ilsa and Saga to let them get their zoomies out without worrying about what dog is coming around the corner. We always ask people that are coming in if they want to use the little dog area, and if they do, we take the dogs out, wait for them to be done or go home and come back another day.
There are dumb people everywhere, along with their rude dogs. You know your boys well, and if you have any doubts, then don't use it. It's very handy, but if you go and you worry the whole time, they'll wonder what's up.
There are dumb people everywhere, along with their rude dogs. You know your boys well, and if you have any doubts, then don't use it. It's very handy, but if you go and you worry the whole time, they'll wonder what's up.
Nanook can be hostile to some dogs. Mostly on-leash. I've taken her to our local park. There is a small dog section where no one goes. There's nothing there. No water or benches or anything. I let her run there and greet the dogs through the fence. Even the little dogs are on the other side. If someone every was to approach and try to enter I would have plenty of time to call out and ask them to wait before leashing Nanook. This park has a double gate at each entrance. One for dogs going in. one for out. It's set up pretty decently. just isn't very big. 
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Like I said before, DA dogs are not predictable. You simply do NOT know how much sniffing will make a DA dog snap. DA dogs wont tolerate dogs in their space when the other dog is being pushy. You cannot control what the other dogs will do or how pushy and rude they may be. I dont know her dogs, so I really dont know how reactive they are. They could be much less reactive than I am thinking. I hope so.
Yes, I take Reggin off leash, in a secluded area into the woods. In fact, we are not breaking any laws or any rules since we have already talked to animal control about it. The difference is that we are not taking a DA dog into an off leash dog park, where there is a guaranteed chance that your dog will come into contact with others that may break out into a fight. I do not take him into the woods at night. I walk him in town at night. I live in the pacific northwest, there are acres and acres of wood that nobody has even set foot into. Do I know 100% sure that we will never come into contact with another dog? No, but you have to weigh out the risk.
Reggin came across a big husky once while we were walking on a trail in a park... we did not see it coming. He was on leash, but the two were face to face and he never reacted, so I would not call his DA even remotely severe. Reggin does have good recall. Its just when a dog gets into his face and wont back off is when he reacts.
Yes, I take Reggin off leash, in a secluded area into the woods. In fact, we are not breaking any laws or any rules since we have already talked to animal control about it. The difference is that we are not taking a DA dog into an off leash dog park, where there is a guaranteed chance that your dog will come into contact with others that may break out into a fight. I do not take him into the woods at night. I walk him in town at night. I live in the pacific northwest, there are acres and acres of wood that nobody has even set foot into. Do I know 100% sure that we will never come into contact with another dog? No, but you have to weigh out the risk.
Reggin came across a big husky once while we were walking on a trail in a park... we did not see it coming. He was on leash, but the two were face to face and he never reacted, so I would not call his DA even remotely severe. Reggin does have good recall. Its just when a dog gets into his face and wont back off is when he reacts.