crate training/ drinking water

anmalg14 · Jul 1, 2006

Hi,

I have a question about house breaking/ crate training my 10 week old australian shepherd puppy. He has been doing very well with it, making it 8 or 9 hours at night most nights without going in his crate but we are having a problem with him having accidents after drinking water.
I have read that you should ration how much water they get during the beginning of house breaking to reduce the number of accidents. He has been getting all he wants with his meals (twice a day) and then a few short sips here and there throughout the day when we take him out. I dont feel like I should cut him back anymore than that because he does spend a good deal of time outdoors in his crate (in the shade with a box fan blowing on him). However, It seems like everytime he has a big sip of water, if we dont take him out within 30 minutes or so, he will pee in his crate.
Any advice on helping him to hold it longer? It seems like if he can go 8 hours at night, he should be able to hold it a little longer than 30 minutes after drinking water. Thanks for any advice!!

~Katie

iluvpitbulls · Jul 1, 2006

Well, not exactly, he only doesn'[t pee at night because he doesn't drink water at night, if you gave him just as much water during the day at night, you'll see him pee lots. Just wheenver you let him drink, take him out 15 mins after

Tobysmom · Jul 1, 2006

10 weeks is still pretty young. I wouldn't expect too much from a pup at that age.

Other than that I don't have any advice about the water. Hopefully some others will post about it. I just think your pup is still young and one of the things people say is to take them out after eating/drinking. He may just be too young to be able to hold it right now.

Doberluv · Jul 2, 2006

I would never ever withhold water at all from a dog, except in one situation and that is if they're having surgery the next morning. Otherwise, let your pup have fresh, clean water available at all times. You just have to take him out more often, but his little kidneys need to be healthy. He needs to mature more in order to comfortably hold it longer.

anmalg14 · Jul 2, 2006

thanks for the help. Unfortunately, I tried the advice and I took him out to let him pee (which he did) and then brought him back in and put him in his crate where he drank a good bit of water. Then, 10 minutes I come back over to take him out and he has already peed in there!

smkie · Jul 2, 2006

I can't imagine being thirsty AND locked up. ESPECIALLY at such a tender age.

anmalg14 · Jul 2, 2006

just about every puppy book I have read recommends crate training and watching puppies' water intake while house breaking. I really confused as to why this all of a sudden this is considered so wrong.

iluvpitbulls · Jul 2, 2006

Aren't you just supposed to leave the water at his foood place and whenever he is OUTSIDE the crate he can drink it?

anmalg14 · Jul 2, 2006

I leave a bowl outside the crate that he takes sips from before going on his bathroom breaks but when I feed him, I put the water and food bowls in the crate with him because I had heard that feeding them in there makes them more comfortable with the crate.

GSDlover_4ever · Jul 2, 2006

anmalg14 said:

I dont consider it wrong, what-so-ever. My puppy gets water when I give it to him. Dogs dont need water every freaking second of the day. You have to do what works for you and people will always frown upon you for whatever you do. It makes crate training alot easier.

BTW, I would not feed and give water to your puppy at the same time. It can cause the food to expand in the stomach, and all I can say, is NOT GOOD!!!

iluvpitbulls · Jul 3, 2006

****, GSDlover, is this why riley is puking? because i feed him and give him water at the same time?

taratippy · Jul 3, 2006

Have you had him checked for a UTI? I do find it strange that anyone would restrict a puppies intake of water, it can have very bad consequences, kidney infections being one and behavioural problems that they will gulp water when it is available as they have to stock up so to speak again causing problems.

Also here in the UK the law states a dog should have access to shelter and water at all times.

tinksmama · Jul 3, 2006

I wonder if puppy needs water after coming out,and *right* before going in...I also see no reason to feed and water in the crate,unless pup has to be in there for too long a time... If it were me, I'd make sure pup drank after getting out, then 20 mins before he goes back in,another drink, then after he's peed, pop in crate, and repeat!
I think the major part of early housetraining is good timing, if you know he'll pee at certain times, plan for it- if he's too hot and thirsty where you have him crated- consider moving the crate to a cooler place- My pup has never had food or water in her crate, she'll drink when i let her out, if she wants to. Plus I've watched her so long, that I sort of know her patterns...

GSDlover_4ever · Jul 4, 2006

iluvpitbulls said:

That could be it. I try to wait at least 20 minutes before giving them water after they eat.

The only time my dog has full acess to water is when they are in their outdoor runs. I clip a bucket to the fence, and they are good to go.

anmalg14 · Jul 24, 2006

My puppy is now 14 weeks old and has been doing really well with not pooping in his crate (he hasn't in weeks) but still pees in there almost every day. Ever since we got him at 7 weeks we have been crate training him and every time we take him outside (about every 2 hours) he pees and poops very willingly. However, if he is given any amount of water before being put back into the crate and is not taken out within 15 minutes, he will usually pee. At what age can they start going longer than 15 minutes? I was under the impression that at 14 weeks they could go a little longer than that... Does anyone have an ideas on helping him to hold it longer? Thanks!!

whatszmatter · Jul 24, 2006

I wouldn't restrict water during the day, but there are lots of places that give advice about picking up the water dish after7-8 at night. As to why your pup pees after drinking, its also known that pups have to poop and pee after eating and drinking, also after exercise.

So if you take them out and they come back in and drink or eat, they have to go back out because they'll have to go... again

girlbuffalo1 · Jul 25, 2006

I doubt..

I kindof doubt that drinking a few sips should make him pee his crate every day if he doesn't go outside in 15 minutes. Is the crate very small (just enough room to turn around and lay down)? If it is too big that could be the problem.....also are you cleaning it with a solution especially for urine to remove the odor so he doesn't think this is the correct spot to pee?

At that age Wrigley only drank water a couple times a day (generally a bit in the morning, afternoon and evening) and that is was at most! I would move his water away from his crate--but in a place still accessible--then if he REALLY is thirsty he will still run over and have some water--and not just drink it because it is there in his face..

whatszmatter · Jul 25, 2006

girlbuffalo1 said:

Especially when they are young puppies eating and drinking stimulate the urge to urinate and deficate, if you don't want to believe it that's your choice.

It probably isn't the only reason, but if you're taking your dog out to do its thing, then bringing it in to drink and eat, you have to take them out again. If you don't and you don't have a problem, consider yourself lucky. There really isn't much of a debate as to whether eating and drinking stimulate the urge to "go" in puppies.

Bailey+Ralph · Jul 25, 2006

I have always had fresh water down throughout the day........but then after Baileys last walk of the night he is put to bed (Crated) without the water.
When Bailey had all his shots and could go outside (a little older than 10 weeks) i would take him every hour or so, whether he had been fed and watered or not.
I have never fed Bailey in the Crate (other than treats).

LizzieCollie · Jul 25, 2006

anmalg14 said:

Maybe its just me, but why is this pup spending so much time in his crate? The way I am enterpreting things you are teaching him to be in the house, not crate training him since he is spending so much time in the crate?

Why do you put him outside in his crate? Just curious

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