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Fran101

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- Stop naming your dogs Bella or Luna there are too many

- There is a fundamental difference between believing in a preservation of a breed to do what it was bred to do....AND being totally unwilling to accept that the world is changing and breeding the WHOLE BREED EVERY BREEDER exclusively for that job (which barely exists) is a little....ehhh...

You want to do it? Fine, great good for you!
Does it really bother you that much when not EVERY program or breeder cares about traveling to the country side to find boars to hunt or sheep to herd or whatever it is.

Yes, I sort of want a dog if need be could do then job it's ancestors did because I believe there are traits that come from that that I enjoy (Merlin is example is hardworking, handler oriented etc..)
I don't give two flying twizzlers if he doesn't care about sheep (I wouldn't know he never sees any, SHOCKING living in Seattle).
If those traits can be used in other ways, if his parents did agility or obedience or whatever and the work ethic is proven to still be there, GREAT, forget the herding for all I care.
He was tested on sheep/ducks, as was his whole litter...waste of money IMO. None of them went to herding homes and at the end of the day, the JOB he does as a pet is a thousand times more important.

I'd rather breeders take their money and spend it on their dogs being better companions or whatever it is they feel is important instead of some weird dog fancy obsession with purity and original jobs.

Breeds were created to fill a niche that people NEEDED.
People don't need dogs to do certain jobs anymore, so I understand and support some breeders going towards other things.

- I for the life of me also do not understand why sports breeders and dock diving breeders are accepted...and companion breeders are not.
Why is breeding for a 2 minute obstacle course or jumping off a thing more important than raising a proper companion for life?

Anybody who doesn't think that being a companion requires more than a couple of things has never lived in a city with a dog, had kids, traveled with their animal, had a SD or better yet, has NEVER had to chase down working breeders and waiting 16 years for a low drive "dud" working puppy to appear and for it to be BESTOWED on you.

"There are pet puppies in every working litter" they say. But I've met plenty who started out as ok fits for families and ended up just like their very high drive parents.

- "Choose another breed then!"= "GET OFF MY LAWN!" "NOT IN MY BACKYARD" "THEN GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM SONNY"

There is a difference between wanting a cocker spaniel who makes a lovely family dog and wanting a border collie to be a couch potato. It's not changing the fundamental work ethic, it's just making it more to fit modern times.

I want a golden that still can retrieve and loves water...I just also want one that is more suited for the beach with kids of all ages at the cape than my spare time duck hunting.

- BRUSH YOUR DOGS.
but especially, brush your retrievers

Want to know what that gross smell is, it's not a wet dog smell. It's the smell of your dogs gross undercoat that's been gathering under there since 1902 STINKING up the building.

The reason I don't want to pet your poor dog is because that oily gross smell is going to get on my hands which would be quickly remedied if you BRUSHED YOUR DOG.
 

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Oh yes,. when everything bad on raw is 'detox'. Switched dog food and now your dog is constantly vomiting and losing hair? Totally detox. Don't you DARE suggest putting him back on the old food he was doing fine on!
Yep. I've seen reviews and such on raw food where the person is like "My dog is doing GREAT on raw!!!" and then goes on to discuss their dogs cannon butt, eye stains, and vomit. But... DETOX!1!!!1!
 

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Yep. I've seen reviews and such on raw food where the person is like "My dog is doing GREAT on raw!!!" and then goes on to discuss their dogs cannon butt, eye stains, and vomit. But... DETOX!1!!!1!
If Merlin's breeder didn't do raw with him (so his body is used to it) I would never try it.
As of now he's on 50/50 which works GREAT for him...for me moreso than some snake oil reviews the only true pros I have is that his poops are tiny and his teeth are sparkling white.

and most importantly...his meals take him 1-2 hours to finish. WHICH IS GLORIOUS in the morning/evenings :rofl1:

BUT again, if he wasn't used to it, I would never try it.
Does that make me a bad person?
Dog diarrhea is not something I would risk WEEKS at a time in the name of a diet change, I live in an apartment, POTTY BREAKS NEED TO BE ON A SCHEDULE
 
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Yep. I've seen reviews and such on raw food where the person is like "My dog is doing GREAT on raw!!!" and then goes on to discuss their dogs cannon butt, eye stains, and vomit. But... DETOX!1!!!1!
Never seen a sick dog on Kibble?

For people that get sick of Raw feeders talking negative about others, you people sure have a lot of things to say about them :)
 

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That everything natural is the best. That organic is always healthier.

Arsenic and cyanide are natural and organic, don't think they would be to good for you to drink down :D

I do believe raw is more natural to dogs. But natural isn't always better. I think we should do things with thought. I will choose natural options when I can and when they make sense. But if I am getting worse results with natural options then I will change it up.
 
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I FEED raw. It was the only thing that cleared up Squash's chronic diarrhea out of a LOT of things I tried. Now he can do about 50/50 but he can't do just kibble for more than maybe a week or he starts having problems again. So I think it's great for some dogs.

But it is not great for ALL dogs by virtue of being raw. Pip can have a couple bites or a RMB or single chicken wing or neck, but more than that and he gets so sick he won't even go near a bowl. He wasn't detoxing, he doesn't do well on raw.

Maisy does well either way, pretty sure she could thrive on sawdust and mouse poop. But she's a hard keeper on kibble, but eats raw better and more consistently so she gets mostly raw.


Basically I don't want to hear from anyone that there is One True Way of feeding dog. So far no one has ever told me that if I would just stick with kibble a little longer, Squash would stop detoxing and his diarrhea would go away. But loads of people have tried to convince me that Pip was just detoxing. So I have more to say on that end of things. ;)
 

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Never seen a sick dog on Kibble?

For people that get sick of Raw feeders talking negative about others, you people sure have a lot of things to say about them :)
If the dog was having issues on kibble then yeah, change the food! This particular case was one where the dog was very healthy until they did raw for a while. Then suddenly serious issues galore. But would. not. change food. Wouldn't even think of it despite the issues and the fact that the only change was food.

I dunno. I would have said the same thing if they went from raw to kibble and then started having issues. Maybe it was the change in diet? Maybe you should switch the food back to what worked before to see if that fixes the problem?
 

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I haven't been on the forum in a good while, but these are just general things that bug me.

- Small breed hate. Calling them rats, footballs, ankle biters, ect drives me up the wall. Same with thinking they aren't "real dogs". That's close to my number one issue.

- On the flip side, people who don't treat their small dogs like dogs. Let them walk, train them, don't use pee pads, play with them like the dogs they are, don't carry them everywhere, ect.

- The all or nothing people. Vaccinate for everything or don't vaccinate ever. Only raw is acceptable for dogs, or only kibble is safe. All harsh training or you're so positive you burn someone at the stake if they tell their dog "no".

- Docking, cropping and dew claw removal.

- Haters of intact dogs

- Intact dog owners who don't think any dog should be altered (admit it, it's much better for Joe Blow to fix his dog)

- O'l Roy, Kibbles and Bits, Beneful and similar food.

- Exsessive spoiling. I'm not talking buying lots of dog stuff (I'm addicted to dog stuff), but things like "oh, Rover only gets filtered water".

- Positive trainers who think the word no is as bad as putting an E collar on them. I use positive reinforecement and negative punishment, and the word no.

- Fat dogs without a valid excuse.

- Off leashed dogs in a leashed area.

- Lack of poop clean up.

- "lawn ornament" dogs

- Breed extremes ("you could never own a BC, GSD, Pit, Mal, ect. I'm the only one good enough")

- Conformation shows

- Show bred labs, the majority.

- Fluffy elf feet. Trim that ****.
 

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People who feed crappy food.

People who get really inappropriate taglines for their dogs, or give them really inappropriate names/nicknames.

People who ditch dogs because they didn't properly research the breed.

People who don't really understand what "high drive" means.

People who don't care about their dog's weight.
 

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- I for the life of me also do not understand why sports breeders and dock diving breeders are accepted...and companion breeders are not.
Why is breeding for a 2 minute obstacle course or jumping off a thing more important than raising a proper companion for life.
Yes. Soo much yes.
 

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Never seen a sick dog on Kibble?

For people that get sick of Raw feeders talking negative about others, you people sure have a lot of things to say about them :)
Yep, I've seen sick dogs on kibble. Again, I'm not saying I care either way. If your dog does well on raw, that's awesome. But I have seen over and over again on forums and blogs, etc, people who praise raw and how well their dogs are doing... only to then find posts about these same dogs with constant issues. Sorry but I'm not one who believes a dog vomiting several times a week, having loose stools even once a week, or having major tear stains and cracked teeth to be "normal".

I will say the internet has seemingly tamed down a lot. I know when I first joined dog forums, I drank the kool aid and thought raw was THE BEST!!! for dogs. It seemed if you didn't agree, you were looked upon a bad dog owner.
Or you would make a post seeking a new food because, say, your dog was itchy and you specifically stated in your original post "not interested in doing raw" and then you'd get about 5-6 people telling you "just feed raw, it'll be cheaper and healthier!"

One time, I asked a question on a forum about premade raw, and I got shot down by saying how feeding PMR would be so much cheaper and healthier. when I stated I didn't WANT to feed raw that way, and I have a little dog, I still got a lot of questionable posts back. Like, what.
 

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If the dog was having issues on kibble then yeah, change the food! This particular case was one where the dog was very healthy until they did raw for a while. Then suddenly serious issues galore. But would. not. change food. Wouldn't even think of it despite the issues and the fact that the only change was food.

I dunno. I would have said the same thing if they went from raw to kibble and then started having issues. Maybe it was the change in diet? Maybe you should switch the food back to what worked before to see if that fixes the problem?

Yeah this. Every dog is different and every owner is different. I've chilled out a lot in judging what other people feed overall. I will say though I still cringe if I see someone with a bag of Ol Roy or Beneful in their cart *shudders* LOL

But yeah I'm a big believer in feeding what works for your dog. I'm not against raw at all if it works for your dog, I just see a lot of internet faddiness with it. But I see the same thing with kibbles. I remember when if you weren't feeding Orjen or EVO, you were 'beneath' Purina feeders too lol.
 

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Hey what is with the pee pad hate? :D I live on the top floor of an Apt. Dekka has made it clear that she can't wait for me to put on my stuff, go to the bathroom myself, and get her all the way outside. There have been a few accidents in the elevator and one in the hall. Pee pads are awesome in this case.
 
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- Positive trainers who think the word no is as bad as putting an E collar on them. I use positive reinforecement and negative punishment, and the word no.

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What is negative punishment? Do you mean positive punishment? To be fair, I know some good trainers who avoid the word no, but not because the word is bad, but because it doesnt really tell the dog anything. I think a lot of people dont get why the word no is not always used (That being said, yeah, I use no a lot lol)
 

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I do pee pads because Mia just cannot seem to hold it more than 2-3 hours. When I come in at lunch she has always peed 1-2 times. The other dogs hold it the 4-5 hours just fine.

I've TRIED and tried. I give up and just give her a pee pad. Makes us all happier.
 

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Pee pads are sounding pretty awesome right about now. Megatron has basically destroyed my basement with her recent lapse of housetraining that I didn't catch until it was thoroughly too late. $%^$. I am not a small dog person.
 

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