Controversial Issues

Paviche

Duuuuude.
Joined
Oct 5, 2009
Messages
1,297
Likes
0
Points
36
Location
Aurora, CO
I think re: this breed is SUPER SPESHUL and can only be owned by superhumans: one if the biggest issues I have is people saying "inexperienced" when they mean "unprepared." I think you can own just about any dog as a first time owner IF you've done the research, learned about training, etc and are dedicated to working through any problems that might arise. That doesn't mean I think most people WILL do that, but still, it's definitely possible.

I'd rather a first time owner who has done their research get a "difficult" dog than someone who has owned dogs but still doesn't really know jack.
 
Joined
Sep 6, 2014
Messages
540
Likes
0
Points
16
Location
Oregon
lol yeah no. You don't actually see a problem with making a huge, extreme generalization about an entire type? Also the "cannot barely walk because his back is so sloped thing", like sassafras pointed out, it's not the "slope of his back" that's forcing his legs down it's the angulation of the legs/rear and maybe loose ligamentation.
I wasn't making a generalization. I'm just pointing out that a lot of the GSD's that I see have awful temperaments and even worse conformation. I think the problem is pretty large when we get a GSD at the dog rescue and a lady comments that there is no way that he is a GSD because 'his back isn't sloped enough'. I don't know much about different lines or a typical GSD temperament, but I do know that it is atypical for a supposedly well-bred dog to get hip dysplasia at two years old and be such a nervous wreck that it can't go anywhere without its Thundershirt. It's just like with many breeds that have become extremely popular in recent years and their temperaments and physical health have taken a turn for the worst because of it. I know there are great and terrible of examples of each breed, but these are just my observations.
 

*blackrose

"I'm kupo for kupo nuts!"
Joined
May 11, 2010
Messages
7,065
Likes
3
Points
38
Age
33
Location
WI
So, there's this chart that's doing the rounds online that ranks some of the most popular dog breeds in terms of intelligence, health issues, etc. (http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/14/7220303/dog-breeds-ranked)

It's causing a lot of Aussie dogmoms to get their panties in a twist because, oh my goodness, the Aussies aren't facing IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION!!! Cue people calling the designer an idiot, internet-detectiving him and insulting his work history, and other pretty heinous things... because they don't agree with an infographic.

People need to calm the **** down sometimes. Wow.

Is that controversial?
All I know is Chessies and Labs ranked highly. So I'm good. :cool: BOTH MY BREEDS ARE HOT DOGS. Wait. That didn't come out right.
 

DJEtzel

Active Member
Joined
Jan 1, 2010
Messages
3,267
Likes
0
Points
36
Location
Kalamazoo, MI
I wasn't making a generalization. I'm just pointing out that a lot of the GSD's that I see have awful temperaments and even worse conformation. I think the problem is pretty large when we get a GSD at the dog rescue and a lady comments that there is no way that he is a GSD because 'his back isn't sloped enough'. I don't know much about different lines or a typical GSD temperament, but I do know that it is atypical for a supposedly well-bred dog to get hip dysplasia at two years old and be such a nervous wreck that it can't go anywhere without its Thundershirt. It's just like with many breeds that have become extremely popular in recent years and their temperaments and physical health have taken a turn for the worst because of it. I know there are great and terrible of examples of each breed, but these are just my observations.
Wait, it's a *problem* when people are identifying a breed based on it's conformation? :confused:
 
Joined
Sep 6, 2014
Messages
540
Likes
0
Points
16
Location
Oregon
Wait, it's a *problem* when people are identifying a breed based on it's conformation? :confused:
No, but it's a problem when anything anybody knows about a breed is its extremes. It's like not recognizing a lab when it is not overweight or saying an English bulldog is actually a mix because its face is not so squished in that it can actually breathe. People are breeding for these extreme characteristics in dogs, whether it is large amounts of extra skin or extreme sizes, and in many cases, it is detrimental to the health of the dog.
 

Melle

New Member
Joined
Jun 8, 2014
Messages
305
Likes
0
Points
0
Location
Philadelphia, PA
the thing about the "special" breeds is everyone thinks their breed is the special one.

And it gets taken to far. It turns from "these dogs can be difficult for people not experienced with this type of breed so make sure you do your homework." into "they are never for first time owners and are so different from other breeds and only the special people who already have one can own them."

i got traveler with no previous herder experience and they are a perfect fit for me. I think it depends more on the type of person you are, what dogs you click with and how much research you put into it.

I know plenty of people on their third border collie who should never own a border collie. I know a ton of people with labs that really should never have a lab. I know lots of people as first time owners of gsd's, wiems, mals that are making amazing owners.

And i hate the super secret special club feeling a lot of breeds can start to get. That you have to pass muster with the rest of the owners before you are worthy to touch their breed. And i think things get exaggerated like crazy within certain breeds which end up scaring off sane owners who try to research.

There is a difference between saying "they need mental and physical exercise and can be probe to ___ and ____ and ____ ." or saying " they will need all the exercise!!! All the training!! You will never not be able to not take them for a 20 mile hike and they will take over your house if you don't make sure they know you are boss!!"
yasss!!
 

Equinox

Active Member
Joined
May 10, 2010
Messages
3,046
Likes
2
Points
38
Location
Oregon
I wasn't making a generalization. I'm just pointing out that a lot of the GSD's that I see have awful temperaments and even worse conformation. I think the problem is pretty large when we get a GSD at the dog rescue and a lady comments that there is no way that he is a GSD because 'his back isn't sloped enough'. I don't know much about different lines or a typical GSD temperament, but I do know that it is atypical for a supposedly well-bred dog to get hip dysplasia at two years old and be such a nervous wreck that it can't go anywhere without its Thundershirt. It's just like with many breeds that have become extremely popular in recent years and their temperaments and physical health have taken a turn for the worst because of it. I know there are great and terrible of examples of each breed, but these are just my observations.
No but you were very whole heartedly agreeing with a generalization. And in the case of the rescue lady LOL I think that's just plain ignorance? Is it a problem that people don't recognize my dog as a GSD because he has a gay tail?

Yeah there is good and bad in every breed and generally a lot of bad with the more popular dogs, but if you don't know the breed and lines maybe it'd be a good idea not to hate on an entire group of dogs. Or quote and agree with other posts expressing that opinion :p Its totally fine to have a preference or dislike a certain look or practice but broad, sweeping generalizations from someone who doesn't know the breed? Ehhh.

(PS: I am just showing extra rage and snark for Linds' sake. I've had this discussion waaaay too often anyway)

No, but it's a problem when anything anybody knows about a breed is its extremes. It's like not recognizing a lab when it is not overweight or saying an English bulldog is actually a mix because its face is not so squished in that it can actually breathe. People are breeding for these extreme characteristics in dogs, whether it is large amounts of extra skin or extreme sizes, and in many cases, it is detrimental to the health of the dog.
Not really, because extremes stand out. That's the very definition of the word extreme, and that's what people find easiest to remember for the most part. Also that statement in itself is a little ridiculous - to say that the extremes are all anyone knows about the GSD. Considering the breed's popularity, that's very hard to believe. If I actually ever heard someone claim a dog cannot be a GSD because it doesn't have a sloped back, I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face. I have a working bred GSD that I take with me everywhere, and I promise you no one fights me when I tell them he's a GSD (except one person who seriously thought he was a wolf).

I am going to go ahead and say that I do not find GSDs aesthetically pleasing when they are so sloped as to be triangular.
Oh god no LOL Me neither. Plus, definitely a difference between not finding a dog pretty and claiming all dogs of one type are extreme trainwrecks :)
 

pinkspore

Bat Ears Only
Joined
Aug 8, 2014
Messages
976
Likes
1
Points
18
Location
Central California
If I actually ever heard someone claim a dog cannot be a GSD because it doesn't have a sloped back, I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face


Oh god no LOL Me neither. Plus, definitely a difference between not finding a dog pretty and claiming all dogs of one type are extreme trainwrecks :)
I have met some "it can't be a purebred GSD because it's not banana-shaped" people in the wild.

All English bulldogs bred to standard are extreme trainwrecks. So there.
 

noludoru

Bored Now.
Joined
Dec 22, 2006
Messages
17,830
Likes
8
Points
38
Location
Denver, CO
Saying "hey, if it works for you" as a rationale for being okay with certain punishments doesn't work for me. People do terrible things to their dogs and it works. That doesn't make it okay, people should try not to hurt or terrify their dogs.
I personally disagree with this.

Waterboarding has worked very well on Middie.
 

Lyzelle

Active Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2012
Messages
2,826
Likes
0
Points
36
Location
Colorado
I personally disagree with this.

Waterboarding has worked very well on Middie.
I must agree.

Death threats never worked on Zander. He simply told me that it was uncalled for and walked away. And later he would remind me of how unethical and terrible I was by screaming at me.

Wait, who is being punished in horrible and terrifying ways again?
 

JacksonsMom

Active Member
Joined
Nov 1, 2009
Messages
8,694
Likes
0
Points
36
Location
Maryland
I am going to go ahead and say that I do not find GSDs aesthetically pleasing when they are so sloped as to be triangular.
I do not like that look, either, personally.


personally? I loooveee Trent and Patton here on chaz. Both examples of my "ideal" GSD.

This? Not so much.


or this


It just looks so... awkward and uncomfortable. I don't like the way a lot of the GSDs you see in the AKC showrings move, like at all.
 

Melle

New Member
Joined
Jun 8, 2014
Messages
305
Likes
0
Points
0
Location
Philadelphia, PA
I do not like that look, either, personally.


personally? I loooveee Trent and Patton here on chaz. Both examples of my "ideal" GSD.

This? Not so much.


or this


It just looks so... awkward and uncomfortable. I don't like the way a lot of the GSDs you see in the AKC showrings move, like at all.
At least that second one looks like it's just an exaggerated stance. But oh my gosh, that first one just looks horrible, makes my hips and back hurt just looking at it :(
 
Joined
Apr 4, 2011
Messages
3,199
Likes
0
Points
0
Location
St. Louis, MO
At least that second one looks like it's just an exaggerated stance. But oh my gosh, that first one just looks horrible, makes my hips and back hurt just looking at it :(
Yeah, I was thinking I want to see the second just standing normally, not stacked, and/or walking.
 

Melle

New Member
Joined
Jun 8, 2014
Messages
305
Likes
0
Points
0
Location
Philadelphia, PA
Yeah, I was thinking I want to see the second just standing normally, not stacked, and/or walking.
I remember seeing a series of pictures of Equinox's Trent in different positions (this forum or another? I don't remember) and that's what I was thinking of just now. How different a dog can look. And in this stack, the posture brings to mind an image of people doing exercise lunges. Angulation and how extended the leg really is.
 

Members online

Top