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Im am really sorry, but I am getting quite sick of summitview going into any thread that relates to pregnancy or puppies and bashing the people that started the thread. I have been doing some looking and I have come to the conclusion that summitview is a hypocrite. She is always bashing people for not having their animals spayed and neutered and says that breeders should show their dogs and you name it she has said it. Anything and everything to bash breeders. Just wanted to post some of the things she has said and you guys can make up your own decisions about her.
First I'll post the quotes where she is against breeding.
Now for the quotes where she doesn't seem to against the "unethical breeding" she is always speaking of
She helped with breeding, but bashes everyone in the forums for it, and refuses to help them
Again, I thought she said she is against breeding.
Hmmm thought she said there was no ethical reason to breed mutts. Im pretty positive that a 1/2 sprint dog, 1/4 border collie, 1/4 sibe IS a mutt!
She also said that the only way to judge any sort of breeding quality is in the conformation ring. How do you judge a dog in conformation that has no standards like these mutts she is talking so highly about this guy breeding. Seems to me that she has said that she is against these very things. I guess not.
First I'll post the quotes where she is against breeding.
Now for the quotes where she doesn't seem to against the "unethical breeding" she is always speaking of
She helped with breeding, but bashes everyone in the forums for it, and refuses to help them
Again, I thought she said she is against breeding.
Hmmm thought she said there was no ethical reason to breed mutts. Im pretty positive that a 1/2 sprint dog, 1/4 border collie, 1/4 sibe IS a mutt!
She also said that the only way to judge any sort of breeding quality is in the conformation ring. How do you judge a dog in conformation that has no standards like these mutts she is talking so highly about this guy breeding. Seems to me that she has said that she is against these very things. I guess not.
Well since you've started this thread in regards to attacking another member maybe I should voice out what's been bugging me for a little while. First of all I’m not going to approach your breeding posts, Chibree, hope for your chi's sake that she pulls through this breeding and pray that she doesn’t live a long life of being bred.
Now on to what’s bugging me. What has happened to this site? This used to be a site where the majority was against irresponsible breeding and now most of what I’ve seen lately on threads are bunch of BYB sticking up for one and other and shunning the words of ethical breeding. These are sad days, imo, I hope that ethical breeders and people who support it don’t end up leaving this site because of the select few. I hope this pendulum comes back to were it once was and soon, we need your voice of reason.
As to not wanting to say what we feel because of fear to running off a few, well, if you breed your dog then you should get used to getting asked a few questions. If you breed dogs the ethical way then you’d have no qualms in answering them. I’ve noticed that the ones that do get upset are the ones who are trying to hide a few bad practices. And if they want information on breeding then why not just do a search, this site is full on information on it.
Now on to what’s bugging me. What has happened to this site? This used to be a site where the majority was against irresponsible breeding and now most of what I’ve seen lately on threads are bunch of BYB sticking up for one and other and shunning the words of ethical breeding. These are sad days, imo, I hope that ethical breeders and people who support it don’t end up leaving this site because of the select few. I hope this pendulum comes back to were it once was and soon, we need your voice of reason.
As to not wanting to say what we feel because of fear to running off a few, well, if you breed your dog then you should get used to getting asked a few questions. If you breed dogs the ethical way then you’d have no qualms in answering them. I’ve noticed that the ones that do get upset are the ones who are trying to hide a few bad practices. And if they want information on breeding then why not just do a search, this site is full on information on it.
I agree with Giny and I have been afraid to voice my opinion for fear of being attacked but, since Giny was brave enough to post what she felt then I will to . I think it is great that we are here to help people but it does seem that some of the past few threads in the breeding area have been posted by irresponsible outcomes and not breeding to improve a breed but just because. Also letting two intact opposites of sex play together and now thinking their female is pregnant. I don't support people breeding unless the dogs are shown in coformation or have an exceptional pedigree. I asked Chibree in one of her many threads if her bitch does need a C-section if she would then just spay her to avoid future problems and her reply was a flat out NO she will not spay *sigh* Why put a bitch through that again and again and why breed her again when one litter is enough. It bugs me to that this place seemed against BYB and now people are sticking up for it. I try to avoid reading peoples posts on breeding just because some of them have made me angry and I try not to even reply but this one has gone to far and now it is bashing others who don't agree with others breeding ethics .
. I think it is great that we are here to help people but it does seem that some of the past few threads in the breeding area have been posted by irresponsible outcomes and not breeding to improve a breed but just because. Also letting two intact opposites of sex play together and now thinking their female is pregnant. I don't support people breeding unless the dogs are shown in coformation or have an exceptional pedigree. I asked Chibree in one of her many threads if her bitch does need a C-section if she would then just spay her to avoid future problems and her reply was a flat out NO she will not spay *sigh* Why put a bitch through that again and again and why breed her again when one litter is enough. It bugs me to that this place seemed against BYB and now people are sticking up for it. I try to avoid reading peoples posts on breeding just because some of them have made me angry and I try not to even reply but this one has gone to far and now it is bashing others who don't agree with others breeding ethics .I to wasn't going to post in this thread.......other than to say that Chibree is tired of being harrassed.
But here goes...........I am not a breeder and i never will be.
As much as i may not like someones ways of doing things, if they need help in a situation and i can help then i will.
If i want to give my opinion to the OP of any thread and i don't feel that doing so in threads is appropriate, then i would take it to a PM.
People do not agree with BYB, but the more they "Have a go" rather than trying to explain thier reasoning........The more people (be it BYB or whatever) are not going to listen to a thing that is being said to them!
But here goes...........I am not a breeder and i never will be.
As much as i may not like someones ways of doing things, if they need help in a situation and i can help then i will.
If i want to give my opinion to the OP of any thread and i don't feel that doing so in threads is appropriate, then i would take it to a PM.
People do not agree with BYB, but the more they "Have a go" rather than trying to explain thier reasoning........The more people (be it BYB or whatever) are not going to listen to a thing that is being said to them!
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Anyways, now that I have said my piece and stuck up for a bunch of people in these forums. Im gonna be on my way. Ive come to realize there are too many people here that think they are better than everyone else because of different issues. Anyone that wants to email and ask me questions about stuff (especially breeding) can do so. Chibree please email me and let me know how it goes with those pups and mamma. [email protected] See Ya!
It happens on all forums, and it's getting old.
For instance, I know of a member of another forum who speaks just as Summitview about breeding, and stirs up alot emotion all the time, and at another forum, this person has NEVER even INSINUATED that any breeding anyone is doing is wrong in ANY way what so ever, they just answer questions and help!
Talk about wanting reputation points!!!Lol, can you spell FRAUD???
Life is too short to sit and argue w/ a wannabe internet warrior who speaks the word of breeding bible, so, just ignore, forget about it, whatever, we know who they are..............
Chillaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx............................................
For instance, I know of a member of another forum who speaks just as Summitview about breeding, and stirs up alot emotion all the time, and at another forum, this person has NEVER even INSINUATED that any breeding anyone is doing is wrong in ANY way what so ever, they just answer questions and help!
Talk about wanting reputation points!!!Lol, can you spell FRAUD???
Life is too short to sit and argue w/ a wannabe internet warrior who speaks the word of breeding bible, so, just ignore, forget about it, whatever, we know who they are..............
Chillaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx............................................
I think in a place like this where everyone really does love their dogs to pieces and sincerely wants the best for them that they can give, we need to focus on all the little things we have in common and stop attacking each other for the opinions and views that we don't agree on..
Even though these opinions are very dear to us we need to realize not everyone is going to agree and attacking people is not the answer to anything..
If there's an opinion you don't agree with send pm's.. state facts that you know.. state your own opinions.. but there's no reason to become violent with your words. You'll never change everyone, and you certainly won't change anyone by attacking someone elses views..
I love it here.. and I really understand the views and opinions expressed by most people here.. what I don't agree with is the way in which those views are often expressed..
I don't want to offend anyone or make enemies.. not at all.. I just think acceptance and tactfulness need to come into play..
And that's my two cents!
Even though these opinions are very dear to us we need to realize not everyone is going to agree and attacking people is not the answer to anything..
If there's an opinion you don't agree with send pm's.. state facts that you know.. state your own opinions.. but there's no reason to become violent with your words. You'll never change everyone, and you certainly won't change anyone by attacking someone elses views..
I love it here.. and I really understand the views and opinions expressed by most people here.. what I don't agree with is the way in which those views are often expressed..
I don't want to offend anyone or make enemies.. not at all.. I just think acceptance and tactfulness need to come into play..
And that's my two cents!
I absolutely agree with Summitview. She is not against breeding; she is against unscrupulous, irresponsible breeding. Most of us here at Chazhound do not support BYBs.
I have no intentions to "bash" you, Chibree, as what's done is done. I hope you will stick around, there are some very knowledgeable breeders here with wonderful information.
I have no intentions to "bash" you, Chibree, as what's done is done. I hope you will stick around, there are some very knowledgeable breeders here with wonderful information.
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One particular instance of grossly irresponsible breeding stands out to me.
Breeding should ALWAYS be done with the UTMOST forethought, planning and care, and only dogs who are health tested and proven through competition should be used. (with the exception of all those actual real working dogs discussed on another thread)
Each whelping should be attended and observed, PARTICULARLY with maiden bitches who may need assistance.
I've been asked a lot of questions about my upcoming breeding, in particular with regard to Penny's grade 1 elbow. I don't get bent out of shape about these questions. They are legitimate ones. I have done HOURS of research on this breeding.
I agree, if one is breeding, one should expect questions, and one should answer them without getting defensive and/or going on the counter attack.
Breeding should ALWAYS be done with the UTMOST forethought, planning and care, and only dogs who are health tested and proven through competition should be used. (with the exception of all those actual real working dogs discussed on another thread)
Each whelping should be attended and observed, PARTICULARLY with maiden bitches who may need assistance.
I've been asked a lot of questions about my upcoming breeding, in particular with regard to Penny's grade 1 elbow. I don't get bent out of shape about these questions. They are legitimate ones. I have done HOURS of research on this breeding.
I agree, if one is breeding, one should expect questions, and one should answer them without getting defensive and/or going on the counter attack.
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