CM gets bitten... again (vid included)
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Exactly. I don't care if anyone would personally choose to have this dog in their home, but I take issue with a position that states objectively that this dog is a worthless POS dog who has no place in any home and belongs in the ground. RG is not that difficult to deal with and manage, and it's not the dog's fault the problem has been handled badly.
Uh yeah it would appear I have to apologize on the defensive front because 1, you haven't been all that defensive in this thread and 2, you really have nothing on rubygirl. Sorry.
Yeah I am offended by your opinion. You're not being smug you're being sarcastic. Yes I know what the "Pit bull frame of mind" is - I think it's doing a worse disservice to pit bulls, as a breed, to expect them to never ever bite. You know, in my opinion and all that jazz.
Did I say any different? I was trying to explain why people react so strongly to you. You're clearly entitled to your opinion, even if I find it offensive. I just think it's ridiculous for someone to kick down the door on a thread, voice an opinion that they know (based on prior experience) isn't going to to go over well, and then act surprised when it doesn't go well. (Which as we've gone over, you haven't done in this thread.)
I never said anything different - in fact I'm pretty sure I've never in any thread said different. Kady was the one who brought it up, as most people do when they're questioned on their opinion, or when they're in the minority.
Yeah I am offended by your opinion. You're not being smug you're being sarcastic. Yes I know what the "Pit bull frame of mind" is - I think it's doing a worse disservice to pit bulls, as a breed, to expect them to never ever bite. You know, in my opinion and all that jazz.
Did I say any different? I was trying to explain why people react so strongly to you. You're clearly entitled to your opinion, even if I find it offensive. I just think it's ridiculous for someone to kick down the door on a thread, voice an opinion that they know (based on prior experience) isn't going to to go over well, and then act surprised when it doesn't go well. (Which as we've gone over, you haven't done in this thread.)
I never said anything different - in fact I'm pretty sure I've never in any thread said different. Kady was the one who brought it up, as most people do when they're questioned on their opinion, or when they're in the minority.
I totally believe that. I've had so much worse to go through a rehab process. This dog would have been a cake walk. I have no doubt. The only other thing I didn't glean from this video is whether or not the dog has any other areas where she has shown defensiveness in a snarly, bitey fashion. It may look sometimes, as though it's only food guarding that is going on, but there can also, coincidentally, be other reasons going along parallel with it that should be investigated as well. Often other things can be over shadowed by this more obvious and justifiable thing...a symptom of unfair treatment. Has the dog had unfair treatment where food isn't concerned...in some other aspects of it's life? The whole dog, in other words, needs to be looked at. jmo.
Sorry, I just can't seem stop thinking about this. Having worked lots-o-dogs lately, it becomes apparent how in a perfectly normal, average dog, small issues can be made into very large ones by poor, aggressive, or egotistical handling. These are normal dogs. No, maybe they're not super bombproof, but they're not volatile either. Their owners need not tiptoe around them to avoid an aggressive response, but merely exercise a few simple management strategies and exhibit a little bit of patient and compassionate handling. That's all. It's not rocket science.
I see no practical OR ethical reason for such dogs to die.
When I took this dog and his companion:
in off the street, in that condition... well, you can think I'm a bleeding heart furmommy whatever, but I exercised some management strategies to not put them in a position to guard their food. Call me crazy, but I kind of felt like that at that point in their lives, they didn't need me telling them that all their food belonged to me.
For the next MONTH, they were fed crated and undisturbed. When I went to removed their food bowls, I religiously tossed an extra handful of kibble in as I reached for the bowl. After they had gained some weight and expected food on the reg, I would toss hot dogs into their bowls. Swirl my hands around in the food and leave treats in my wake.
Call me crazy, but I don't think that's too much to ask. It's pretty simple and barely took any extra time out of my day. It DID take me using my big human brain. And call me crazy again, but I think that those dogs were in a very vulnerable place when I took them in, and that the potential to create RG behavior was very real. And yet, with a few simple actions, I negated it totally.
Both dogs live with kids now, neither guards food in any capacity from anyone. I'm not trying to pat myself on the back. My point is that what I did was simple, and dogs who very well could have been balancing on that razor's edge of "serious issue" and "perfectly normal" were saved with just a small amount of thought and careful handling. This is not rare in dogs, and I have seen it time and time again in my occupation.
Sometimes it just takes a tiny bit of time and effort. If you're going to join the "one bite, you die" club, the least you can do is put forth that much effort.
I see no practical OR ethical reason for such dogs to die.
When I took this dog and his companion:
in off the street, in that condition... well, you can think I'm a bleeding heart furmommy whatever, but I exercised some management strategies to not put them in a position to guard their food. Call me crazy, but I kind of felt like that at that point in their lives, they didn't need me telling them that all their food belonged to me.
For the next MONTH, they were fed crated and undisturbed. When I went to removed their food bowls, I religiously tossed an extra handful of kibble in as I reached for the bowl. After they had gained some weight and expected food on the reg, I would toss hot dogs into their bowls. Swirl my hands around in the food and leave treats in my wake.
Call me crazy, but I don't think that's too much to ask. It's pretty simple and barely took any extra time out of my day. It DID take me using my big human brain. And call me crazy again, but I think that those dogs were in a very vulnerable place when I took them in, and that the potential to create RG behavior was very real. And yet, with a few simple actions, I negated it totally.
Both dogs live with kids now, neither guards food in any capacity from anyone. I'm not trying to pat myself on the back. My point is that what I did was simple, and dogs who very well could have been balancing on that razor's edge of "serious issue" and "perfectly normal" were saved with just a small amount of thought and careful handling. This is not rare in dogs, and I have seen it time and time again in my occupation.
Sometimes it just takes a tiny bit of time and effort. If you're going to join the "one bite, you die" club, the least you can do is put forth that much effort.
Oh no, I did read it. Maybe you should go read it again. You made the comparison, then said "Cesar is a human and a dog is a dog but STILL." You did not state there is no comparison. You made the comparison, then mentioned that it wasn't a perfect comparison, then restored value to your comparison with "but still," indicating even though you acknowledge that it's not a perfect comparison, you still believe the comparison is valid.
If you now wish to amend that the comparison has absolutely no value whatsoever, it appears you were just rambling in non sequitur. Is that what you're saying?
If you now wish to amend that the comparison has absolutely no value whatsoever, it appears you were just rambling in non sequitur. Is that what you're saying?
No need.
I take care of who I love. Everyone else has to go to the back of the line. Just because someone has two legs and is classified as homo-sapien doesn't get them any special consideration or guarantee of worth or respect.
That gets earned.
Partly by how you treat others -- including non-homo sapiens.
I take care of who I love. Everyone else has to go to the back of the line. Just because someone has two legs and is classified as homo-sapien doesn't get them any special consideration or guarantee of worth or respect.
That gets earned.
Partly by how you treat others -- including non-homo sapiens.
It is a competition apparently... I can almost guarantee you asked me what education I had so that you could list off all of your credentials which made you look more then a little pompous. You win! 
I can see that the dog was distressed, yes. I can see that Cesar exacerbated the animals distress, yes. Did the dog react appropriately, no (explanation: I have seen dogs go through much more stress then this and never react this way).
Those are my opinions. I have validated your claim. I have stated how I feel/what I think. I now have nothing more to add. I digress.
I can see that the dog was distressed, yes. I can see that Cesar exacerbated the animals distress, yes. Did the dog react appropriately, no (explanation: I have seen dogs go through much more stress then this and never react this way).
Those are my opinions. I have validated your claim. I have stated how I feel/what I think. I now have nothing more to add. I digress.
The reason I asked you was not to start a match, but in response to your outlandishly uninformed sounding posts regarding dog behavior and your unreasonable expectations of dogs. For a dog lover's forum, you come off so much differently than the people I've known on Chazhound for the 9 years or so I've been a member. I guess I'm finding it difficult to relate. But I'll try harder. :dunno::doh: