Circumcision as a criminal act
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I am already on record on this on chaz, but I was circ'd as an adult in my 30's for medical reasons. I had already fathered both of my children prior to the surgery.
The recovery was a little rough, especially when you consider how many times a man gets an erection during sleep (those stitches pull). From a sensation standpoint, sex is largely the same, and according to my wife, it feels the same to her.
Function-wise, I had to learn how to pee again. Aiming was different without the foreskin redirecting the stream. :rofl1:
As for the subject of the thread - it's one of those things that I wouldn't necessarily choose to do to my infant boys, but I wouldn't want to see it made illegal. There is too much legislation as it is.
The recovery was a little rough, especially when you consider how many times a man gets an erection during sleep (those stitches pull). From a sensation standpoint, sex is largely the same, and according to my wife, it feels the same to her.
Function-wise, I had to learn how to pee again. Aiming was different without the foreskin redirecting the stream. :rofl1:
As for the subject of the thread - it's one of those things that I wouldn't necessarily choose to do to my infant boys, but I wouldn't want to see it made illegal. There is too much legislation as it is.
I'm not trying to bring up the abortion issue again in terms of arguing its legality, but I find it a bit weird to think that killing a baby boy in utero is ok (and ok when partially delivered), but cutting off his foreskin is not.
My pediatrician was very factual about it. I do believe he would've preferred me to leave them be, but he was also honest in his experience with the possible health effects of being uncircumsized.
It was tough for me, because when Cole was born, he was too small to do the procedure. He was actually 10 weeks old (2 weeks after his full-term due date) before he could have his done. A pediatric surgeon did the procedure. First they put a numbing cream on the penis, and allowed that to sit for approx. 35 minutes. Then he gave a numbing injection into the area before removing the skin. I was instructed to give Cole Tylenol every how-many-hours they said, whether I could tell if he needed it or not. I will honestly say (I'm always honest, but just trying to emphasize that here
) that Cole never cried about it. I was very proactive in keeping him in a clean diaper and keeping petroleum jelly on it.
My other 2 had theirs done before leaving the hospital.
All 3 of mind have a teeny bit of the foreskin left. None of the docs that did the circumsions remove every last bit of the foreskin. So it's like a little wrinkle of skin at the tip. I do have to pull it back ever-so-slightly to make sure all is squeaky clean. My pediatrician is actually quite happy with how theirs turned out.
And I'm sorry, but I cannot see the comparison with the removal of the foreskin and cutting off a girl's clitoris and sewing her labia shut to the point that it only allows for urine and menstrual fluids to come out.
My pediatrician was very factual about it. I do believe he would've preferred me to leave them be, but he was also honest in his experience with the possible health effects of being uncircumsized.
It was tough for me, because when Cole was born, he was too small to do the procedure. He was actually 10 weeks old (2 weeks after his full-term due date) before he could have his done. A pediatric surgeon did the procedure. First they put a numbing cream on the penis, and allowed that to sit for approx. 35 minutes. Then he gave a numbing injection into the area before removing the skin. I was instructed to give Cole Tylenol every how-many-hours they said, whether I could tell if he needed it or not. I will honestly say (I'm always honest, but just trying to emphasize that here
) that Cole never cried about it. I was very proactive in keeping him in a clean diaper and keeping petroleum jelly on it.My other 2 had theirs done before leaving the hospital.
All 3 of mind have a teeny bit of the foreskin left. None of the docs that did the circumsions remove every last bit of the foreskin. So it's like a little wrinkle of skin at the tip. I do have to pull it back ever-so-slightly to make sure all is squeaky clean. My pediatrician is actually quite happy with how theirs turned out.
And I'm sorry, but I cannot see the comparison with the removal of the foreskin and cutting off a girl's clitoris and sewing her labia shut to the point that it only allows for urine and menstrual fluids to come out.
DH is intact. His is the only penis I've seen, so I can't really do a comparison-lol. I don't know if I would keep an infant boy intact or not--I lean towards intact though. DH did say that he got an awful infection from not washing properly when he was a kid.
I don't think it should be illegal though. Yes, the parent is making a choice about the child's body, but there are tons of choices parents make about their kids concerning their health without the child's consent--smoking/drinking while pregnant, smoking around kids, feeding them fast food, pop, and junk food constantly--all of these things are far more likely to have a negative impact on the child's future health than circumcising.
I don't think it should be illegal though. Yes, the parent is making a choice about the child's body, but there are tons of choices parents make about their kids concerning their health without the child's consent--smoking/drinking while pregnant, smoking around kids, feeding them fast food, pop, and junk food constantly--all of these things are far more likely to have a negative impact on the child's future health than circumcising.
This is how I took it as well. And I do believe it would be similar. Removing the skin over the clitoris or removing the skin over the penis...difference is only the gender. The reasons may be different, but they will be vastly different within each gender, as well. As someone else said, one reason to remove foreskin was to discourage masturbation. That can be considered a form of control over a person's sexuality.
The more I think of it, the more I believe the only person who should have any control over sex organs is the owner of the body unless for a medical reason. There's really no reason for parents to go about preforming sexually-relevant cosmetic surgeries on their children. And when you think about it that way, I'm not surprised it's been ruled a criminal act.
The more I think of it, the more I believe the only person who should have any control over sex organs is the owner of the body unless for a medical reason. There's really no reason for parents to go about preforming sexually-relevant cosmetic surgeries on their children. And when you think about it that way, I'm not surprised it's been ruled a criminal act.
Circumsize to discourage masturbation? Knowing what I know about men and especially teenage boys (not that I know anything about teenage boys now but I dated a lot as a teen myself lol)... that's a big fat FAIL. I've never known a male who was like "Hmmm I want to masturbate... if only I had my foreskin" lol.
I almost actually typed "just like cropping and docking" at the end of that post.
Honestly, as far as health I think it's probably a wash either way. I don't see a compelling reason to do it, but I don't think it's generally all that harmful, either. It's just not really on my radar of things to be outraged about.
Honestly, as far as health I think it's probably a wash either way. I don't see a compelling reason to do it, but I don't think it's generally all that harmful, either. It's just not really on my radar of things to be outraged about.
I'm not trying to bring up the abortion issue again in terms of arguing its legality, but I find it a bit weird to think that killing a baby boy in utero is ok (and ok when partially delivered), but cutting off his foreskin is not.
My pediatrician was very factual about it. I do believe he would've preferred me to leave them be, but he was also honest in his experience with the possible health effects of being uncircumsized.
It was tough for me, because when Cole was born, he was too small to do the procedure. He was actually 10 weeks old (2 weeks after his full-term due date) before he could have his done. A pediatric surgeon did the procedure. First they put a numbing cream on the penis, and allowed that to sit for approx. 35 minutes. Then he gave a numbing injection into the area before removing the skin. I was instructed to give Cole Tylenol every how-many-hours they said, whether I could tell if he needed it or not. I will honestly say (I'm always honest, but just trying to emphasize that here ) that Cole never cried about it. I was very proactive in keeping him in a clean diaper and keeping petroleum jelly on it.
My other 2 had theirs done before leaving the hospital.
All 3 of mind have a teeny bit of the foreskin left. None of the docs that did the circumsions remove every last bit of the foreskin. So it's like a little wrinkle of skin at the tip. I do have to pull it back ever-so-slightly to make sure all is squeaky clean. My pediatrician is actually quite happy with how theirs turned out.
And I'm sorry, but I cannot see the comparison with the removal of the foreskin and cutting off a girl's clitoris and sewing her labia shut to the point that it only allows for urine and menstrual fluids to come out.
My pediatrician was very factual about it. I do believe he would've preferred me to leave them be, but he was also honest in his experience with the possible health effects of being uncircumsized.
It was tough for me, because when Cole was born, he was too small to do the procedure. He was actually 10 weeks old (2 weeks after his full-term due date) before he could have his done. A pediatric surgeon did the procedure. First they put a numbing cream on the penis, and allowed that to sit for approx. 35 minutes. Then he gave a numbing injection into the area before removing the skin. I was instructed to give Cole Tylenol every how-many-hours they said, whether I could tell if he needed it or not. I will honestly say (I'm always honest, but just trying to emphasize that here
) that Cole never cried about it. I was very proactive in keeping him in a clean diaper and keeping petroleum jelly on it.My other 2 had theirs done before leaving the hospital.
All 3 of mind have a teeny bit of the foreskin left. None of the docs that did the circumsions remove every last bit of the foreskin. So it's like a little wrinkle of skin at the tip. I do have to pull it back ever-so-slightly to make sure all is squeaky clean. My pediatrician is actually quite happy with how theirs turned out.
And I'm sorry, but I cannot see the comparison with the removal of the foreskin and cutting off a girl's clitoris and sewing her labia shut to the point that it only allows for urine and menstrual fluids to come out.
This.
K
I almost actually typed "just like cropping and docking" at the end of that post.
Honestly, as far as health I think it's probably a wash either way. I don't see a compelling reason to do it, but I don't think it's generally all that harmful, either. It's just not really on my radar of things to be outraged about.
Honestly, as far as health I think it's probably a wash either way. I don't see a compelling reason to do it, but I don't think it's generally all that harmful, either. It's just not really on my radar of things to be outraged about.
Morgan isnt done, Jeremy is. Morgan hasnt had any UTIs (suspected one but I dont really think that was the issue thinking back) Jeremy has from what I know had a few. Morgans was actually the first I had ever seen uncirc'd. Weve never had a issue with care. I just wipe him with each change like I would anyway.
My friend has a son about the same age as Morgan and he is circ'd and had a UTI.
My friend has a son about the same age as Morgan and he is circ'd and had a UTI.