I thought condoms did an even better job of preventing HIV infection than circumcision does. 
Not to mention the men that I've erm..known..that would gladly jump in puddles without their raincoats.
Circumcision as a criminal act
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The number of oops babies should be indicative of how people feel about condoms. My stupid friends at say 18 'Oh no I think I'm pregnant', 'Oh, did the rubber break?' 'No, we didn't use one'... :wall:
Not to mention the men that I've erm..known..that would gladly jump in puddles without their raincoats.
Not to mention the men that I've erm..known..that would gladly jump in puddles without their raincoats.
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So circumcising a male is ok because people ignorantly think it's cleaner (it's not), that it prevents diseases (it doesn't), that all you're doing is cutting off some extra skin (you're not), women find it more appealing/pleasurable (most women in the US have never had anything to compare to), and some invisible man in the sky says you should (LOL)?
But circumcising (for the sake of argument, clitoral hood and outer labia removal, not clitoridectomy) of a female is not ok, done for religious reasons or otherwise?
But circumcising (for the sake of argument, clitoral hood and outer labia removal, not clitoridectomy) of a female is not ok, done for religious reasons or otherwise?
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I'm both pro-speuter and pro crop and dock. Just confused as to how someone who had their dog spayed can make a statement like, "You are cutting off a perfectly normal part of the body because you feel like it. Whether or not the dog understands what you've done, it sounds downright silly," when neither procedure is medically necessary (much as people love to keep convincing themselves otherwise). Was more amusement than anything.
Just confused as to how someone who had their dog spayed can make a statement like, "You are cutting off a perfectly normal part of the body because you feel like it. Whether or not the dog understands what you've done, it sounds downright silly," when neither procedure is medically necessary (much as people love to keep convincing themselves otherwise). Was more amusement than anything.I don't think either is (generally) medically necessary. My female was spayed prior to me getting her - she was an adult rescue. My male was also a rescue that I was able to keep intact until 1 year by agreement with the rescue as he is a sport dog prospect. He was done at about 10/11 months due to behavioral changes and me wanting it done before mud season kicked in and I had to worry more about keeping hit clean. I have yet to see ears cause behavioral changes in a dog, but heaven knows, dogs shock me more often than I'd expect.
I have zero issue with you choosing to crop your dogs. It isn't my thing, I find it less attractive on dogs. My female is docked because she was when I got her. I'd have left her with a tail were it my choice, but I love her just as much tail-less.
My main point is, *you* get to make that decision for your dogs. *I* get to make it for my dogs. I don't the the government should be making it for either one of us.
I have zero issue with you choosing to crop your dogs. It isn't my thing, I find it less attractive on dogs. My female is docked because she was when I got her. I'd have left her with a tail were it my choice, but I love her just as much tail-less.
My main point is, *you* get to make that decision for your dogs. *I* get to make it for my dogs. I don't the the government should be making it for either one of us.
I'm neither pro nor anti male circumcision. If I had a son, I think I probably wouldn't do it just because it would be the path of least resistance and I don't think there's a really compelling reason to do it... but if my husband felt strongly about wanting to do it I would concur.
Anyway, at the end of the day I honestly think that the vast majority of parents who choose to circumcise their sons feel they are doing the right thing and have no intention for it to affect his future emotional or sexual health, nor in most cases does it. Neither of which I feel is true for the vast majority of female circumcision, which is more about property rights than anything else IMO.
That's all I'm going to engage you on this issue. I don't think anyone's biases when it comes to gender issues will make any further discussion very productive, nor am I interested in really changing anyone's mind about the original topic of male circumcision as I don't have much of an opinion about it anyway.
Anyway, at the end of the day I honestly think that the vast majority of parents who choose to circumcise their sons feel they are doing the right thing and have no intention for it to affect his future emotional or sexual health, nor in most cases does it. Neither of which I feel is true for the vast majority of female circumcision, which is more about property rights than anything else IMO.
That's all I'm going to engage you on this issue. I don't think anyone's biases when it comes to gender issues will make any further discussion very productive, nor am I interested in really changing anyone's mind about the original topic of male circumcision as I don't have much of an opinion about it anyway.
To me its not about “right†or “wrongâ€. Its not a judgement call. Its about the argument for or against being based on verifiable, accurate, facts. Whatever you choose to do fine, but for heavens sake make an educated decision. Which in itself is hard enough when you have even “experts" who have no clue what a foreskin is meant to do.
:hail: Summed up perfectly. I dont know why America is obsessed with cutting it off....the rest of the world really doesnt. Men arent sick and dying from it. There are NO health benefits. The AIDS/HIV one, again READ the studies. The show a correlation IN african countries where AIDS is at epidemic levels, dry sex is the norm (women actually use drying agents to keep dry, rougher sex with a foreskin may increase the risk OR as other studies have shown, hen the males get circed they arent as sexually active for awhile...several studies were cut short as the circed males then started catching up. Just last week a new report came out of Zimbabwe. Guess what....circed males are catching HIV at alarming rates....they now think the are "safe" because they are circed. And my BIGGEST ISSUE is it does NOTHING to protect the WOMEN!!!! Wear a condom. US has a very high circ rate and a very high HIV/AIDS rate so OBVIOUSLY its not something that helps really.
People hear it and immediately go to the worst of it (which is very bad!) but dont realize its really the same for boys in many of the ways its done.
I dont either, but that's the key. The owner of the penis is who should consent....not a parent. Its not their penis.
Thats the scary part....here in America so many people aer CLUELESS to foreskin. Do people REALLY think a baby is born with something that at best is useless and at worst needs to be removed? (clarifying ALL babies, obviously some babies are born with other issues but a foreskin is normal and always present) Just logic tells us no.
People hear it and immediately go to the worst of it (which is very bad!) but dont realize its really the same for boys in many of the ways its done.
I dont either, but that's the key. The owner of the penis is who should consent....not a parent. Its not their penis.
Thats the scary part....here in America so many people aer CLUELESS to foreskin. Do people REALLY think a baby is born with something that at best is useless and at worst needs to be removed? (clarifying ALL babies, obviously some babies are born with other issues but a foreskin is normal and always present) Just logic tells us no.