Chow Chows
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If it is a 5 generation pedigree and there are no recognizable kennel names, that tells that it is nothing but a pet pedigree, and the dog should not be used for breeding in any way shape or form because there is no way of predicting the quality it might produce. There are many pet bred dogs that are referred to as "by nothing, out of nothing". It is vitally important to know what is behind your dog if you want to know what your dog is going to look like when grown, what personality it might have, etc. etc.
Same as with Manchesters. Thanks to doG there are hardly any backyard Manchester breeders!!!!!!!! So the lines and the quality stays high.
Same as with Manchesters. Thanks to doG there are hardly any backyard Manchester breeders!!!!!!!! So the lines and the quality stays high.
I'm sorry, I still dont get why Sarah wants to see the pedigrees. Is it she wants to see if we have show dog material or more like she can look, laugh and say she couldnt have gotten 50 cents for that dog? After all, like you say, most of us couldnt afford to buy one of her dogs. She gave away puppies that would never make the shows? When I decided I wanted another dog, I would have taken a rescue, I wouldnt have cared what the pedigree said, or if it even had one. My plan has never been to breed or to show, just to love. That's it. To give a good home to a dog.
Maybe it's because some of us have never devoted our life to breeding champion dogs that makes it not so important if there isnt champion blood in their line or if it comes from a kennel known for it's champion bloodlines.I'm not trying to be difficult, and please dont think I'm being huffy because as I sit here typing this, I'm not feeling at all huffy.
I just dont understand why other breeds of puppies are shown and no one ever ask if they can see the pedigree to determine if it was from a recognized breeder known for putting out great dogs.
Maybe it's because some of us have never devoted our life to breeding champion dogs that makes it not so important if there isnt champion blood in their line or if it comes from a kennel known for it's champion bloodlines.I'm not trying to be difficult, and please dont think I'm being huffy because as I sit here typing this, I'm not feeling at all huffy.
I just dont understand why other breeds of puppies are shown and no one ever ask if they can see the pedigree to determine if it was from a recognized breeder known for putting out great dogs.
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Breeding
It is not that some people breed to produce champion dogs. Some breed to preserve the breed, and to build and improve upon it. If only backyard breeders bred Chows, you wouldn't be able to tell if a dog was a Shepherd, a Coyote or supposedly a Chow.
Every breed has a breed standard. Dogs are supposed to be bred to match that standard as closely as possible. If there was a dog in the back of your pedigree that had seizures and had been known to throw seizures, wouldn't you want to know? If there were dogs that had a high rate of cancer, wouldn't you want to know? And if they produced offspring with a high rate of cancer, wouldn't you want to know that? A pedigree is a tool. But it is only of use to those who know how to use the tool. Pet owners know nothing about linebreeding, inbreeding or outcrossing, or when to do which.
It costs just as much to feed and raise a poor dog as it does a good dog. In fact it can cost MORE to raise a poorly bred dog if it happens to have health problems.
However all that is beside the point. I am sure that Sarah wanted to see Leo's pedigree to see what lines were behind him. A friend of mine who bred and showed Dobermans, and who had a Demetrius daughter bred to a top producing champion male happens to be in the background of the first white Doberman. Both George and Barbara were SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To think that after years of careful breeding and loving the breed their dogs would be bastardized in such a way.
So, if you find it an imposition if someone wants to see a pedigree on one of your dogs........then you don't yet understand what a pedigree is. It is no more belittling or insulting than someone asking where your grandparents were from, or what nationalities are in your background.
Of course a pedigree is no use if you don't know how to read it, rofl.
Anyway.........I was wondering if maybe Sarah were curious to see if there were any of the same dogs as in the one she took in for rescue. And nope, she did not give pet puppies away. She gave that dog away just to have a good home for it and to get it off her property. She did not have the space for another dog.
She seldom had any "pet" quality puppies. And she usually had more people waiting for pups than she ever had pups available.
I am going to pass out. Much too hot outside. Still hanging in at 90 degrees. And I still have a ton of stuff to do. These breaks I have to take are making it hard to get anything accomplished!!!!!!! But when you flat run out of ooompf....you gotta come in and cool off!!!!!
Becca_ said:
I'm sorry, I still dont get why Sarah wants to see the pedigrees. Is it she wants to see if we have show dog material or more like she can look, laugh and say she couldnt have gotten 50 cents for that dog? After all, like you say, most of us couldnt afford to buy one of her dogs. She gave away puppies that would never make the shows? When I decided I wanted another dog, I would have taken a rescue, I wouldnt have cared what the pedigree said, or if it even had one. My plan has never been to breed or to show, just to love. That's it. To give a good home to a dog.
Maybe it's because some of us have never devoted our life to breeding champion dogs that makes it not so important if there isnt champion blood in their line or if it comes from a kennel known for it's champion bloodlines.I'm not trying to be difficult, and please dont think I'm being huffy because as I sit here typing this, I'm not feeling at all huffy. I just dont understand why other breeds of puppies are shown and no one ever ask if they can see the pedigree to determine if it was from a recognized breeder known for putting out great dogs.
Maybe it's because some of us have never devoted our life to breeding champion dogs that makes it not so important if there isnt champion blood in their line or if it comes from a kennel known for it's champion bloodlines.I'm not trying to be difficult, and please dont think I'm being huffy because as I sit here typing this, I'm not feeling at all huffy.
I just dont understand why other breeds of puppies are shown and no one ever ask if they can see the pedigree to determine if it was from a recognized breeder known for putting out great dogs.
Every breed has a breed standard. Dogs are supposed to be bred to match that standard as closely as possible. If there was a dog in the back of your pedigree that had seizures and had been known to throw seizures, wouldn't you want to know? If there were dogs that had a high rate of cancer, wouldn't you want to know? And if they produced offspring with a high rate of cancer, wouldn't you want to know that? A pedigree is a tool. But it is only of use to those who know how to use the tool. Pet owners know nothing about linebreeding, inbreeding or outcrossing, or when to do which.
It costs just as much to feed and raise a poor dog as it does a good dog. In fact it can cost MORE to raise a poorly bred dog if it happens to have health problems.
However all that is beside the point. I am sure that Sarah wanted to see Leo's pedigree to see what lines were behind him. A friend of mine who bred and showed Dobermans, and who had a Demetrius daughter bred to a top producing champion male happens to be in the background of the first white Doberman. Both George and Barbara were SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To think that after years of careful breeding and loving the breed their dogs would be bastardized in such a way.
So, if you find it an imposition if someone wants to see a pedigree on one of your dogs........then you don't yet understand what a pedigree is. It is no more belittling or insulting than someone asking where your grandparents were from, or what nationalities are in your background.
Of course a pedigree is no use if you don't know how to read it, rofl.
Anyway.........I was wondering if maybe Sarah were curious to see if there were any of the same dogs as in the one she took in for rescue. And nope, she did not give pet puppies away. She gave that dog away just to have a good home for it and to get it off her property. She did not have the space for another dog.
She seldom had any "pet" quality puppies. And she usually had more people waiting for pups than she ever had pups available.
I am going to pass out. Much too hot outside. Still hanging in at 90 degrees. And I still have a ton of stuff to do. These breaks I have to take are making it hard to get anything accomplished!!!!!!! But when you flat run out of ooompf....you gotta come in and cool off!!!!!
You said: "She seldom had any "pet" quality puppies. And she usually had more people waiting for pups than she ever had pups available."
This is kind of what I am getting at. She didnt breed dogs for pets then right? Her intention was to breed for winning.
Gracie before she came home
Gracie at 5 months old
Not show dog material, but I dont care. I fell instantly in love with her. I knew when I got her she'd never be bred, or shown. Gracie is my pride and joy. In my eyes she is a champion. In the eyes of someone like Sarah she would shake her head most likely because she isnt designed to show.
It's no 92 here but it's still hot out. I cant wait until fall. I love the fall. Can have windows open again, wear sweatshirts, plus its so pretty to see the leaves turn colors.
This is kind of what I am getting at. She didnt breed dogs for pets then right? Her intention was to breed for winning.
Gracie before she came home
Gracie at 5 months old
Not show dog material, but I dont care. I fell instantly in love with her. I knew when I got her she'd never be bred, or shown. Gracie is my pride and joy. In my eyes she is a champion. In the eyes of someone like Sarah she would shake her head most likely because she isnt designed to show.
It's no 92 here but it's still hot out. I cant wait until fall. I love the fall. Can have windows open again, wear sweatshirts, plus its so pretty to see the leaves turn colors.
Becca she is adorable!!!! I love chow puppies! I am sure no one picked up on that yet!! lol
Manchester- Hey! Thanks for the sun & warm weather. The rain left us and it is gorgeous outside!!! lol
I have Leo's pedigree. You are correct, it means nothing to me at all. I like haveing a puppy that is unique! Oh, I meant to tell you. There is NOTHING hystrung about Leo at all. He has puppy playfulness (especially with my poor kitties!), but he is pretty mellow!
Manchester- Hey! Thanks for the sun & warm weather. The rain left us and it is gorgeous outside!!! lol
I have Leo's pedigree. You are correct, it means nothing to me at all. I like haveing a puppy that is unique! Oh, I meant to tell you. There is NOTHING hystrung about Leo at all. He has puppy playfulness (especially with my poor kitties!), but he is pretty mellow!
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Pets
Someone who is breeding to preserve a breed is striving to produce dogs as close to the breed standard as possible. Breeders DO NOT breed to produce pets. They breed to improve the breed and to perpetuate it. There are tons of Chows that do not even LOOK like Chows.
There will often be puppies that do not quite match the breeder's idea of perfection, and these puppies will often be sold to those simply wanting a pet. Over the years Sarah has sold pups to people who were not interested in showing, but those puppies were something the person could be proud of, and not have to worry about people asking them 'Is that a Chow?????" There was no doubt it was a Chow, rofl.
People who just want to make money selling dogs are not a credit to the breed, nor should we support them or their efforts. A breeder breeds with the full intent of keeping all the pups for showing and breeding. BYBs breed strictly to sell and make money. They do not care if they are helping to ruin a breed, as long as they make money off the dogs.
There are two things that Chows are known for. HEAD and COAT. It helps if you have at least one of those two things!!!!
Someone who is breeding to preserve a breed is striving to produce dogs as close to the breed standard as possible. Breeders DO NOT breed to produce pets. They breed to improve the breed and to perpetuate it. There are tons of Chows that do not even LOOK like Chows.
There will often be puppies that do not quite match the breeder's idea of perfection, and these puppies will often be sold to those simply wanting a pet. Over the years Sarah has sold pups to people who were not interested in showing, but those puppies were something the person could be proud of, and not have to worry about people asking them 'Is that a Chow?????" There was no doubt it was a Chow, rofl.
People who just want to make money selling dogs are not a credit to the breed, nor should we support them or their efforts. A breeder breeds with the full intent of keeping all the pups for showing and breeding. BYBs breed strictly to sell and make money. They do not care if they are helping to ruin a breed, as long as they make money off the dogs.
There are two things that Chows are known for. HEAD and COAT. It helps if you have at least one of those two things!!!!
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TIme
When a breeder makes a statement about temperament in a dog of a particular breed, they are talking about the dog as an adult. You may not want to even KNOW Leo when he turns 2 years old. Only time will tell. Now, someone with Sarah's experience could likely tell you by seeing the dogs in the pedigree just what to expect when Leo reaches emotional maturity. If there are lines there that she can research back far enough.
Just like the lady that got me addicted to Manchesters---she knew and had seen every dog in my dogs' pedigrees, and knew what they were like, and what kind of temperament they threw. That is invaluable information. It is another tool for helping to raise a mentally and emotionally sound adult dog.
But hey.......that is up to you. You have her email.
Glad the weather cleared up for you. I came in and crashed out for a couple of hours. I was wiped out. And still have sooooooo much more to do. But I will get it done slowly. I had everything looking so nice and neat around here for a couple of months......till Dennis hit. It took until April to get everything cleaned up from the horrors of Ivan. And being so sick and so weak for so long thanks to the RMSF did not help in the least!!!!!!!
I am so tired of picking up twigs and branches!! But heck at the rate things are going, the poor trees are going to end up looking like celery stalks!!!!!!!!!
A good night to all.
Oh-Tracy........the pedigree is not too hard to at least read---first names listed are the parents. Then the grandparents are next back (you have paternal and maternal grandparents for both his mom and dad.) Then come the greatgrandparents--paternal and maternal both mom and dad, etc, etc.
The thing is to make sure that the parents aren't brother or sister or have any father/daughter breeding in the background.
Once upon a time Sarah got a dog as a rescue......she told me I HAD to come see it....it had the skinniest bone she had ever seen. She finally got the pedigree and it turned out the dog was out of father/daughter and the mother was also the father's granddaughter!!!!!!! That was when I came up with "incest is best".
Sickening.
When a breeder makes a statement about temperament in a dog of a particular breed, they are talking about the dog as an adult. You may not want to even KNOW Leo when he turns 2 years old. Only time will tell. Now, someone with Sarah's experience could likely tell you by seeing the dogs in the pedigree just what to expect when Leo reaches emotional maturity. If there are lines there that she can research back far enough.
Just like the lady that got me addicted to Manchesters---she knew and had seen every dog in my dogs' pedigrees, and knew what they were like, and what kind of temperament they threw. That is invaluable information. It is another tool for helping to raise a mentally and emotionally sound adult dog.
But hey.......that is up to you. You have her email.
Glad the weather cleared up for you. I came in and crashed out for a couple of hours. I was wiped out. And still have sooooooo much more to do. But I will get it done slowly. I had everything looking so nice and neat around here for a couple of months......till Dennis hit. It took until April to get everything cleaned up from the horrors of Ivan. And being so sick and so weak for so long thanks to the RMSF did not help in the least!!!!!!!
I am so tired of picking up twigs and branches!! But heck at the rate things are going, the poor trees are going to end up looking like celery stalks!!!!!!!!!
A good night to all.
Oh-Tracy........the pedigree is not too hard to at least read---first names listed are the parents. Then the grandparents are next back (you have paternal and maternal grandparents for both his mom and dad.) Then come the greatgrandparents--paternal and maternal both mom and dad, etc, etc.
The thing is to make sure that the parents aren't brother or sister or have any father/daughter breeding in the background.
Once upon a time Sarah got a dog as a rescue......she told me I HAD to come see it....it had the skinniest bone she had ever seen. She finally got the pedigree and it turned out the dog was out of father/daughter and the mother was also the father's granddaughter!!!!!!! That was when I came up with "incest is best".
Sickening.
Princess would fall under what Manchester talks about. The person who got Princess, dont know if they paid for her or not, was told she was full blooded chow. They swore up and down she was full blooded. No way can she be! If she is, then she is one of them that sure doesnt look it. The breeder lied. We didnt pay for her. We took her to give her a nice home.
I think Leo is adorable and cant wait til he's a little older to see how she changes in his looks.
I think Leo is adorable and cant wait til he's a little older to see how she changes in his looks.