Chaz Moms and Moms-to-Be Chat (everyone welcome)

Discussion in 'The Fire Hydrant' started by jenv101, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. NicoleLJ

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    I don't get where you think there is a debate. I wasn't debating with you. I am not trying to change anyone's minds on anything. I was just stating that it doesn't hurt to look up the location you(general you) reside in laws to ensure that you are meeting them. If I hadn't looked it up I would have thought that Nico could go into one as soon as he turned 1 because he is only a few ounces shy now of 20lbs. So I am glad I looked it up. I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with you. Just stating requirements can and do change so looking them up is never a bad thing.
     
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    I hadn't really looked into this yet (cause my kid is 5 months I've got time lol) but wow. After looking through those links we're going to do rear facing for as long as possible. I've heard good things about the Diono Radian as a convertible car seat that doesn't take up a ton of room width wise.

    Honestly, I don't really care what the law recommends. I'm going to put way more weight on research and studies than what my state says.
     
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    ...what possibly could be cons to rear-facing? Maybe I'm missing something.
     
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    I'm sorry, Fran :( My friend's baby was murdered at 6 months old, so I get the whole going to a baby's funeral thing. I agree with the others, though... if there is already food set up, there's not much you can do or say, other than letting her know you're there if she needs to talk or a shoulder to cry on.
     
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    There's a car seat tech in my moms group and that's her all time favorite seat.

    We have the peg perego piazzo convertible for Everleigh. She can rear face to 45lbs and so far I like it.
     
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    I'm assuming the cons of forward facing are maybe it's easier to interact with your child or something? Idk.

    Their are actually no laws in NYS about when a child can sit up front, either. I'm pretty sure it's legal to put a car seat in the passenger seat. But I'll still make my daughter sit in the back until she's 100 lbs and 5 ft.
     
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    I was also confused by this.

    I had no idea that front facing was such a dangerous situation. I remember, we used to have a commercial about child safety and it recommended using some kind of car seat until the child was 40lbs or 4'9. It was a cute Cinderella themed commercial. Keep your pumpkins safe!

    Anyway, those videos were disturbing and I am curious to know the pros of forward facing as well. I thought of it more of a decision based on ignorance for most people, I didn't realize they researched and out-weighed pros and cons of front facing and rear facing.

    The videos also make me want to buy a tank when I have a child....
     
  8. NicoleLJ

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    Just because someone chooses a different choice them someone else in how they raise their child does not make them ignorant. So please do not get insulting just because I choose differently then what you plan to. There are many reason that go into our decisions. For example those videos show impact of a car slamming into a wall or obstacle from the front and how the child in the seat would react. So what happens when the same happens from the rear with the car in the rear facing posisiton? We have had 3 rear end hits to our vehicle in the past 4yrs. Yet have had nothing that we have hit head on. In my whole life I have never been in a head on collision. Yet I have been in vehicles hit from the side but mainly from the back from people following too close.

    So yes for me that is a HUGE pro to turning them around since they are better protected for rear end collisions when facing forward. Another reason is Nico, and all my kids, hate not being able to see what is going on. Another reason is it is easier to interact during our many trips to get his sister, take him to the childrens hospital and so on. There are other reasons as well but the first one for us is the main one. So no it is not from ignorance that we make that decision. It is from experience, research and weighing the pros and cons.

    It is a personal choice when a parent makes the decision to switch and there are many things that usually go into that choice. But just because that choice differs from yours does not in any way make it ignorant.
     
  9. AllisonPitbullLvr

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    I'm not arguing with your decision (it's totally yours to make) but as for the difference between front end and rear collisions, I suspect that when you're rear ended, your car just gets pushed forward, faster. You're already traveling in the direction of which you're being hit, whereas with a front end collision, the impact is much more severe because of your forward momentum. Does that make sense?
     
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    For one of our rear end hits I would agree with you. For the other two no. One we were fully stopped and the person was texting and hit us at the speed they were traveling. So it was not just a push. It was a hard slam that spun our vehicle partial to one side and forward. The other one we had to come to a sudden stop because of another person trying to avoid something. The person traveling behind us was too close and again it was a hard slam. Rear end collisions can cause a lot of damage. Yes at a high rate of speed a head on collision can cause a lot more damage BUT for us neither of us has ever been in one. Where as both of us have dealt with rear end collisions which seems to be way more common. So we see that as more important to protect him from. Hence the biggest pro in our mind for turning him around when he is legally and physically ready for it.

    People need to choose for themselves what they feel is best for them and their children. Each person will come to their own conclusion based on the information they have and their experiences. We choose this way. And ignorance had nothing to do with that choice.
     
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    I'm having a hard time believing that you did a lot of research because in the link that GreenMagick posted it goes into that.

    No one's insulting you. But I definitely don't agree with your decision and I'm not going to hide that. It's still your decision and obviously you're going to do what you want but if you're getting this much disagreement maybe you should spend less time being offended and more time doing research. /shrug
     
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    Like Allison, I'm not really arguing, but want to make sure you have all the info out there as a lot has changed in recent years.

    More info on rear impact collisions from one of the links posted above:

     
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    The thing is, frontal and side crashes make up the VAST majority of accidents and are statistically the most dangerous. They are the ones you need the most protection from which for a baby means a rear facing seat. (rear end accidents are around 11 %)


    A rear facing seat is still very safe for a rear end collision as well but the impact of being rear ended is not the same as if you have a frontal or side impact at the same speed.
     
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    I have had 4 children and have done the research each time when each child is ready to be turned around. So just because my decisions for MY children is different then yours does not make it wrong. I am not offended that people disagree with my decision. I am offended that people are alluding to me being ignorant because my decision is different from theirs. I am not going to change my mind for my child because people disagree with me. I know what is best for them. I know a ton of people who disagree with me raising my son as an atheist. Doesn't mean I should change my mind because there are so many that do. I know several people who disagree with me giving my son breast milk till he is 6yrs old. Doesn't mean I should change my mind their either. Does that make them or me ignorant? No. It just makes us different.
     
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    I didn't mean to offend you. I thought you were a first time mom, like most of the moms on here. And I thought you all were swapping information.

    I still find it hard to believe you would continue to choose a front facing seat after all of the studies shown here. But, that is your choice.
     
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    That is what makes us individuals. We all come to our own conclusions based on our experiences and what we learn. No offence but maybe instead of alluding that you think some one is ignorant because they are making a choice you would not, instead just state that you would choose differently and why that works for you.

    I have been a parent for almost 15yrs now and I have seen a lot of things change over the years. For example when I choose to breast feed my daughter(first child) I got a lot of flack for it and even got asked to leave a restraint even though I was fully covered. Now more people are all for breast feeding but I am getting a lot of flack because I plan to do extended breast feeding with Nico and once he weans himself still pump and give him breast milk till age 6. The way I approach things now is that I educate myself on the topics, weight the pros and cons and then make my choices from there. I am choosing for my family. Not to please others. And what works might not/or won't work for someone else. But that does not make either person wrong. Just different.
     
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    THanks Stardogs but I have made up my mind. I have read the studies, seen the videos, even saw the statistics(though I disagree with them about the rear end hits being less common since that is mainly what I have experience with). I didn't post on here about him switching to get insulted and alluded to being ignorant. I posted it because I was just thinking about how fast he was growing up and how I wish he would slow down. This posts will help someone else though in coming up with their pro's and cons list I am sure.
     
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    Ok, I get that you're getting all pissed off because you're making your own choices but it really doesn't matter how long you've been a parent. And I did not call you ignorant. I said I thought most people's decision to front face was ignorance. Again, I find it hard to see why anyone would front face after the studies and research done on it.

    But, this is a circular conversation. I'm sorry you got offended by what I said, but that's all. Obviously the moms on here can't convince you that there are better options and you won't convince them that you're making the best decision. Seems to be an impasse.
     
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    I am not pissed off. Your the one that alluded to people making that choice(which includes me since I am making that choice) as being ignorant and then said it was because you thought I was a new parent. Hence why I stated how long I have been parenting. As to convincing any one of any thing. I didn't post about switching him to convince anyone to change their minds. Not once have I ever alluded to anyone that they should. I just stated it was a personal decision. Then everyone else just kept trying to change my mind. Which I kept saying I was not looking for or interested in but the info posted is always good(including looking at a persons locations laws on it) in helping others who have not made up their minds. I am not trying to change anyones mind and mine is a decision that was made that works for MY family. What works for someone elses may be the same or may be different. My issue was the alluding to people choosing differently as being ignorant. That was my issue. I know I am making the best decision for my family and I am glad to see others feel the same way for the decisions for their families as well.
     

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