Canned Dog food
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Hmmmm...I think I know enough to prove what I am saying. Well, you could always add water to their kibbles ain't that right? Cheaper than water in canned food. I guess you've been dazzled by the magic of marketing and technology. Try this experiment: empty a small can of canned dog food into a strainer, wash off all the sauce and gravy under running water, and spread out what's left on a plate. Now take a close look at those "meaty chunks" or "slices." They are probably soy (textured vegetable protein) pressed into meat shapes. There's nothing wrong with feeding a dog soy protein, but if you think you're feeding him roast beef, you're mistaken. The gravy? Mostly water and salt. The peas and carrots? Sure, there are a few bits in there, but they're adding more visual appeal to you than they are nutritional value to your dog. Plus, more than 70% water is not a good deal. There are lots of ways to ensure that your dogs get enough water. One of them is adding water to their kibbles.
don't be ridiculous. if you've read anything on my site (as you said you did), you should know that i'm quite aware of what's going on in the pet food industry.
not every canned dog food on the market contains soy and "fake" meat. it's the same thing as with dry food, you get the crappy, popular brands like science diet, iams and so on, which are made from poor quality ingredients and contain a lot of fillers. there are even excellent quality canned foods that contain nothing but meat.
yes, you can add water to kibble, but even then, generally speaking kibble contains more stabilizers, preservatives etc. and is a far more unnatural way to feed a dog.
of course the pet food companies push dry food over canned, it has a much larger profit margin and the manufacturing process is less involved and cheaper than producing canned foods.
you may only see the 70% moisture content (which isn't just water by the way), but what about the ridiculous amount of carbs (50% and more) in most dry foods?
what we are discussing in this thread here is the original poster's question if it is okay to feed canned food, and the short answer is yes - feeding canned food only is healthier than feeding dry food only.
not every canned dog food on the market contains soy and "fake" meat. it's the same thing as with dry food, you get the crappy, popular brands like science diet, iams and so on, which are made from poor quality ingredients and contain a lot of fillers. there are even excellent quality canned foods that contain nothing but meat.
yes, you can add water to kibble, but even then, generally speaking kibble contains more stabilizers, preservatives etc. and is a far more unnatural way to feed a dog.
of course the pet food companies push dry food over canned, it has a much larger profit margin and the manufacturing process is less involved and cheaper than producing canned foods.
you may only see the 70% moisture content (which isn't just water by the way), but what about the ridiculous amount of carbs (50% and more) in most dry foods?
what we are discussing in this thread here is the original poster's question if it is okay to feed canned food, and the short answer is yes - feeding canned food only is healthier than feeding dry food only.
Mordy,
Since I feed kirkland signature, a step up from my old food and cheaper too.
Thanks to you!!! Now I know it is not nearly the best, but it really is the best my dogs have ever ate. And it shows. They seem to love the taste and we are satisfied with the price and are not interested in changing at this time, but since I started feeding this food I have stopped mixing canned food into the dry. I still give some raw meats and some leftovers. My question is ...Is kirkland signature canned foods better than any grocery store canned foods? Which med. priced canned food would best suit my need, for just a topping for dry?
Since I feed kirkland signature, a step up from my old food and cheaper too.
Thanks to you!!! Now I know it is not nearly the best, but it really is the best my dogs have ever ate. And it shows. They seem to love the taste and we are satisfied with the price and are not interested in changing at this time, but since I started feeding this food I have stopped mixing canned food into the dry. I still give some raw meats and some leftovers. My question is ...Is kirkland signature canned foods better than any grocery store canned foods? Which med. priced canned food would best suit my need, for just a topping for dry?
I don't see anything ridiculous with what I've said. I'm sorry but I'm really not convinced with your argument. I'm not referring to quality because not all dog foods are alike. There are high quality canned food and high quality kibbles. Thus, I can't really compare with the different brands canned or kibbles. What I'm only trying to point out here is you'll get better value for your money if you give them kibbles because of its more concentrated content, unlike Canned Dog Food which has more water than food.
There are good canned dog food products and good dry dog food products. They have different ingredients good and bad. So, its hard to argue about their quality coz not all dog foods are the same. Canned or Kibbled.
Now, what is the natural way to feed a dog? That is another argument. I don't think giving canned food or dry dog food will fall into this called so called natural way of feeding a dog.
Now, back to the original poster's question if it is okay to feed canned food, and the short answer is a big NO because canned food is not superior to kibbles because its mostly water.
There are good canned dog food products and good dry dog food products. They have different ingredients good and bad. So, its hard to argue about their quality coz not all dog foods are the same. Canned or Kibbled.
Now, what is the natural way to feed a dog? That is another argument. I don't think giving canned food or dry dog food will fall into this called so called natural way of feeding a dog.
Now, back to the original poster's question if it is okay to feed canned food, and the short answer is a big NO because canned food is not superior to kibbles because its mostly water.
Bowowee, it's all a personal choice, if "you" think "you" are doing the right then...then go for it
We all share our idea's and what has worked for us, by personal experience...and in Mordy's case...intense research, dedication and a sharp mind. Not too many on this board will ever doubt what Mordy advises.
Exactly Mordy I sell dog food.
For each case of 24 cans of canned food I sell I make $2.40.
For a bag of dog food that I sell I make $11.20.
Dry kibble is where the profits are and this is why dog food companies, Vet clinics, pet stores etc. push dry dog food. It's really easy to deceive a naive customer into believing that the short chewing session (of some dogs, my dogs gooble) is cleaning the teeth.
There are so many myths circulating, it's up to the dog owner to research and come to their own conclusion...keep in mind who is winning in the situation, the Vet, the pet store...or the dog....??? I always keep that in the back of my mind whenever I talk to a salesperson/Vet.
We all share our idea's and what has worked for us, by personal experience...and in Mordy's case...intense research, dedication and a sharp mind. Not too many on this board will ever doubt what Mordy advises.
Exactly Mordy
I sell dog food. For each case of 24 cans of canned food I sell I make $2.40.
For a bag of dog food that I sell I make $11.20.
Dry kibble is where the profits are and this is why dog food companies, Vet clinics, pet stores etc. push dry dog food. It's really easy to deceive a naive customer into believing that the short chewing session (of some dogs, my dogs gooble) is cleaning the teeth.
There are so many myths circulating, it's up to the dog owner to research and come to their own conclusion...keep in mind who is winning in the situation, the Vet, the pet store...or the dog....??? I always keep that in the back of my mind whenever I talk to a salesperson/Vet.
I feed Eagle pack holistic chicken formula kibble and just a few days ago started mixing in a small amount of the Canidae chicken and rice canned and now they are eating better than they used to eat. Lily used to pick at her food and take forever to eat, and now she just gobbles it up almost as quick as our lab. I wouldn't feed the pedigree or kibbles and bits or alpo I would find a good quality canned product such as eagle pack, innova, or canidae to give canned instead. I would rather spend the fifty extra cents a can to get them a higher quality canned food than risk them getting sick from the grocery store food.
i don't know, i haven't seen an ingredient list. if you happen to have one, feel free to PM or email me and i'll have a look.
i'd stay away from grocery store stuff, it is truly bottom of the barrel. there are some decent mid-range products tho, for example while i don't think nutro kibble is all that great, the natural choice canned food is decent. you do have to keep price vs. quality in mind, so some research will definitely pay off.
if you happen to have one, feel free to PM or email me and i'll have a look.i'd stay away from grocery store stuff, it is truly bottom of the barrel. there are some decent mid-range products tho, for example while i don't think nutro kibble is all that great, the natural choice canned food is decent. you do have to keep price vs. quality in mind, so some research will definitely pay off.
need a reminder then?
it's a ridiculous statement since my goal is to lay open baseless marketing claims for dog food and a huge part of my ongoing research is all about ingredient processing and quality.
you can't look at canned food just from the angle of moisture content. there are many other details that are not obvious without doing some research. yes, kibble is a "better deal" if you are just looking into feeding your dog cheaply, but in almost all other aspects canned food comes out ahead when comparing products of otherwise equal quality level.
* canning food creates a sterile environment, so stabilizers and preservatives are not needed.
* canned foods are predominantly made from fresh, not previously rendered ingredients, so more nutrients are preserved, requiring less artificial supplementation.
* if no rendered material is included, there is a much lower risk of harmful substances added by the supplier being present (e.g. ethoxyquin in fish and fat products) - the manufacturer does not have to declare those on an ingredient label.
* when fresh ingredients are used, there is no need for coloring or flavoring agents, since you don't have an uniform grey mass (like with dry rendered products)
the list goes on, but i don't have the time to discuss it all in minute detail.
claims that dogs are in poor condition and/or overweight are just as true for dogs being fed poor quality kibble as poor quality canned food. vets generally aren't a good source for nutritional information anyway, since in many cases they have taken only very basic courses, often sponsored by the pet food giants like waltham, purina and hill's. you'd want to talk to someone who has done their own research.
fact is that canned foods are often wrongly maligned and are indeed a good way to feed a dog, especially, as i said before, for those folks who want something that is ready to feed.
it's a ridiculous statement since my goal is to lay open baseless marketing claims for dog food and a huge part of my ongoing research is all about ingredient processing and quality.
you can't look at canned food just from the angle of moisture content. there are many other details that are not obvious without doing some research. yes, kibble is a "better deal" if you are just looking into feeding your dog cheaply, but in almost all other aspects canned food comes out ahead when comparing products of otherwise equal quality level.
* canning food creates a sterile environment, so stabilizers and preservatives are not needed.
* canned foods are predominantly made from fresh, not previously rendered ingredients, so more nutrients are preserved, requiring less artificial supplementation.
* if no rendered material is included, there is a much lower risk of harmful substances added by the supplier being present (e.g. ethoxyquin in fish and fat products) - the manufacturer does not have to declare those on an ingredient label.
* when fresh ingredients are used, there is no need for coloring or flavoring agents, since you don't have an uniform grey mass (like with dry rendered products)
the list goes on, but i don't have the time to discuss it all in minute detail.
claims that dogs are in poor condition and/or overweight are just as true for dogs being fed poor quality kibble as poor quality canned food. vets generally aren't a good source for nutritional information anyway, since in many cases they have taken only very basic courses, often sponsored by the pet food giants like waltham, purina and hill's. you'd want to talk to someone who has done their own research.
fact is that canned foods are often wrongly maligned and are indeed a good way to feed a dog, especially, as i said before, for those folks who want something that is ready to feed.
- It's obvious that you are not doing well on your research Mordy. Generally speaking most Canned Dog Foods has food coloring in them to enhance the look of their products. No canned dog food is fresh. Neither are the ingredients used to manufacture them. The ingredients used in this kind of dog food processing comes from different faraway places. They just don't sprout near the company's food processing plant. The act of canning the dog food is a form of artificial preservation. Chemicals are already added in the food itself to preserve it. Again, please read the labels. I think vets are more reliable than laymen who simply do their own research. They invested a lot of years studying our animals. Specially those who just gets their information from the internet and really has no first hand knowledge with what they are saying. Have you ever visited a pet food processing plant? have you seen with your own eyes how they manufacture their products? I guess not, because what I read from your site are mere compilations of things you can find here on the internet. You're a good researcher Mordy, its just that you are getting false or insufficient information.
Oh but I do know a lot about the topic Mordy. I understand. I guess you could no longer substantiate your claims. I don't blame you though, since you are not a nutritionist, a vet, or someone who is really involved in the petfood industry. You can't base your work just by looking at other individuals or petfood companies websites. You have to look behind the scenes and test the products yourself. Try to enter a pet food processing plant, try to find where they get their ingredients and visit the place. I guess you will soon find out how "fresh" the canned foods and kibbles are. I'm sorry but I did not make a single assumption in my argument. Believe it or not they're true. I'm sorry I guess you have to do your research a little bit further. Nice cats you have there.
Here Mordy, I guess this will help you a bit with your research. Its a very informative magazine. You can subscribe for free.
http://www.tradepub.com/free/pfi/
I have tons of materials at home but I guess I can't lend them to you because we are oceans apart.
Well, good luck with you research.
http://www.tradepub.com/free/pfi/
I have tons of materials at home but I guess I can't lend them to you because we are oceans apart.
Well, good luck with you research.
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