Breeding my chihuahuas (help!!)
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mamsobuco- There is a term for when it's done properly which is line breeding, than there's a term for when it goes wrong inbreeding LOL 
From what I understand it's a great "breeders" tool" when they've found a good line in a breed and would like to exaggerate good points, and wean out the bad.
Although, the OP has mentioned that her dog has health problems (not sure if it's luxating patellas or HD) and no dog with HD should ever be bred, period. Linebreeding or not.
From what I understand it's a great "breeders" tool" when they've found a good line in a breed and would like to exaggerate good points, and wean out the bad.
Although, the OP has mentioned that her dog has health problems (not sure if it's luxating patellas or HD) and no dog with HD should ever be bred, period. Linebreeding or not.
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It's probably in the best interest of the mother and the pups to end it now. I am against abortion, but if they are going to have that many health problems + the mother could die giving birth (or hurt herself more) it's not worth it. It shouldn't have been done in the first place. I guess "now you know better" (at the expense of your dog/puppies) applies here.
Roxy's CD said:
mamsobuco- There is a term for when it's done properly which is line breeding, than there's a term for when it goes wrong inbreeding LOL
From what I understand it's a great "breeders" tool" when they've found a good line in a breed and would like to exaggerate good points, and wean out the bad.
Although, the OP has mentioned that her dog has health problems (not sure if it's luxating patellas or HD) and no dog with HD should ever be bred, period. Linebreeding or not.
From what I understand it's a great "breeders" tool" when they've found a good line in a breed and would like to exaggerate good points, and wean out the bad.
Although, the OP has mentioned that her dog has health problems (not sure if it's luxating patellas or HD) and no dog with HD should ever be bred, period. Linebreeding or not.
I was with the don't breed a dog with health problems issue.
I'm still not understanding how it's any different when it comes to canine sibling mating. Not to get gross but isn't that insest (or is that just a social term?) whether you call in line breeding or inbreeding? Are mating canine siblings that much different biologically than humans? I mean seriously, look at the ancient Romans. Weren't they crazy partly because of inbreeding? Is it not better to find two dogs of the same breed both with good qualities and no major health issues to breed? Or am ignorant enough to think that senario is more commen than it is?
Sorry for all the quetions or if I'm going off topic. This thread just raises these ??'s for me.
mnin: I'm so sorry to hear of your delema. I hope it all works out in the end.
I thought the same thing not very long ago. That inbreeding, or incest is not good in our species but how can it be that much different from specie to specie? In humans, to causing horrible birth defects, mental problems than to dogs, where it improves a specific breed! It just seems wild.
But I know they do the same with horses as well, to better a breed. My registered QH is inbred, with Impressive being his grandsire and his great grandsire.
I've seen a documentary on it and they do say that inbreeding or linebreeding is the cause of some breed specific health issues. On the other hand, if proper health testing is done, the main issues, like HD, healthy eyes, elbows etc, then those diseases are not present therefore they cannot be passed down.
I think there are pros and cons to linebreeding. On one hand, if you have a good "line" you can keep it close, tight knit. On the other hand, if there's an unforseen problem, (with horses the Impressive line was devastated with the HYPP disease, now all Impressive horses must be tested for the disease. It can kill)
So, I think the bottom line when it comes to inbreeding/linebreeding is leaving it to the professionals who know what they are doing.
But I know they do the same with horses as well, to better a breed. My registered QH is inbred, with Impressive being his grandsire and his great grandsire.
I've seen a documentary on it and they do say that inbreeding or linebreeding is the cause of some breed specific health issues. On the other hand, if proper health testing is done, the main issues, like HD, healthy eyes, elbows etc, then those diseases are not present therefore they cannot be passed down.
I think there are pros and cons to linebreeding. On one hand, if you have a good "line" you can keep it close, tight knit. On the other hand, if there's an unforseen problem, (with horses the Impressive line was devastated with the HYPP disease, now all Impressive horses must be tested for the disease. It can kill)
So, I think the bottom line when it comes to inbreeding/linebreeding is leaving it to the professionals who know what they are doing.
I definitely do give you kudos, for researching and for realizing your own mistakes. This is why I wish this information was pushed more in the public... I would venture to say that 9 out of 10 people have NO idea about breeding to better the breed (that includes showing, health testing, etc). And that is a huge cause for all of the health issues running rampant in so many popular breeds, as well as the huge overpopulation.
Luxating patellas are most definitely a painful condition. IMO, I would get her spayed in a second! My sister adopted a Chi mix from the shelter... this was like 10+ years ago, and the shelter just held a deposit until you got the dog altered. Well, she was not aware that she was going through a heat when we adopted her, and our Bichon puppy bred her without us even knowing. When we realized she was probably pregnant, we got her spayed immediately. She was completely fine and healthy for the rest of her life. The world does not need anymore homeless mixed breeds or dogs with painful hereditary conditions.
I know that, if a family member gave me a puppy knowing that it was very likely to have luxating patellas, I would be beyond peeved. Putting those pups through such a high risk of living in pain, and the owners of dealing with that and shelling out $1000's for surgery, and most likely having to euthanize their dogs at a young age, is just sad. I'm very supportive of your considering a spay.
Luxating patellas are most definitely a painful condition. IMO, I would get her spayed in a second! My sister adopted a Chi mix from the shelter... this was like 10+ years ago, and the shelter just held a deposit until you got the dog altered. Well, she was not aware that she was going through a heat when we adopted her, and our Bichon puppy bred her without us even knowing. When we realized she was probably pregnant, we got her spayed immediately. She was completely fine and healthy for the rest of her life. The world does not need anymore homeless mixed breeds or dogs with painful hereditary conditions.
I know that, if a family member gave me a puppy knowing that it was very likely to have luxating patellas, I would be beyond peeved. Putting those pups through such a high risk of living in pain, and the owners of dealing with that and shelling out $1000's for surgery, and most likely having to euthanize their dogs at a young age, is just sad. I'm very supportive of your considering a spay.
Excuse me? People have gave her lots of very helpful advice here. I don't know where you got the idea that nobody was.
We're only trying to help, but the truth is harsh. Without being harsh, most people would be 'Ohh well I think I'll breed anyway' despite the fact that they do not know what they are doing. (this is not directed to the OP!)
We're only trying to help, but the truth is harsh. Without being harsh, most people would be 'Ohh well I think I'll breed anyway' despite the fact that they do not know what they are doing. (this is not directed to the OP!)
Sometimes I cringe when I read a new post, b/c Im scared at the response I'll see. But if no one gave the appropiate response (not saying "jump on/flame",) it would be worse. When people feel strongly about something, generally there tone is going to be strong.
To the OP. Any news? Keep us informed and good luck with whatever you decide. Not to be repetitive, but Im sorry you had to learn the hard way about BYB. And please tell us when you call your breeder and CHEW HER OUT!! This could have been prevented many times...
To the OP. Any news? Keep us informed and good luck with whatever you decide. Not to be repetitive, but Im sorry you had to learn the hard way about BYB. And please tell us when you call your breeder and CHEW HER OUT!! This could have been prevented many times...
My friend's family has a dog who's mother is also it's grandmother and who's father is also it's half-brother or something to that effect. It's a dog that has a myriad of health problems including being allergic to grass, any kind of animal with fur (including her own self), and is also allergic to wheat, corn, and pretty much everything save for poultry.
This will be a future topic for the food forum as I told my friend I'd ask Mordy what food could possibly help this poor animal but that kind of "line breeding" is definately not something that could in any way be beneficial.
This will be a future topic for the food forum as I told my friend I'd ask Mordy what food could possibly help this poor animal but that kind of "line breeding" is definately not something that could in any way be beneficial.