Bill requiring drug testing of welfare recipients passes House
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I agree with you about the recreational use. It is illegal, and it's irresponsible to jeopardize your family by doing something like that just for recreation.
Here's the catch though. The thing about a medical prescription is it's only legal by state law. The feds don't care, it's still against federal law. They have a long history of checking out the lists of registered state growers and dispensaries and raiding/jailing everybody they can find in connection with the legal (by state law) medical users.
Since welfare is a federal program, they likely wouldn't give a flying flip about medical users.
Here's the catch though. The thing about a medical prescription is it's only legal by state law. The feds don't care, it's still against federal law. They have a long history of checking out the lists of registered state growers and dispensaries and raiding/jailing everybody they can find in connection with the legal (by state law) medical users.
Since welfare is a federal program, they likely wouldn't give a flying flip about medical users.
Drug testing is not mandatory here THANK GOD.
You argue for freedom, and guns, yet where is the freedom to RESPONSIBLY use drugs? And again, do they breathalise people too?????
Eta. I do NOT use drugs, but I did in my past recreationally. I personally know people who still do. They hold down all manner of jobs (managers, doctors, bankers, etc) and you'd never know. Drugs do not make people go bad, misuse does. JUST. LIKE. ALCOHOL.
Something being illegal does not = more or less danger than something legal. It carries risks of a different type (ie police).
You can't lump all users into one category. That is very ignorant.
You argue for freedom, and guns, yet where is the freedom to RESPONSIBLY use drugs? And again, do they breathalise people too?????
Eta. I do NOT use drugs, but I did in my past recreationally. I personally know people who still do. They hold down all manner of jobs (managers, doctors, bankers, etc) and you'd never know. Drugs do not make people go bad, misuse does. JUST. LIKE. ALCOHOL.
Something being illegal does not = more or less danger than something legal. It carries risks of a different type (ie police).
You can't lump all users into one category. That is very ignorant.
it's not mandatory everywhere here either. some jobs require it but not all... I don't even think MOST would be accurate.
if the company does drug testing you are free to walk away from it I suppose. don't know I've never worked anywhere that did drug testing but Brian had to when he worked for the state medicaid system. he no longer works there (not because of the drug testing LOL) and his new job does not drug test. so i wouldnt say it's mandatory here
if the company does drug testing you are free to walk away from it I suppose. don't know I've never worked anywhere that did drug testing but Brian had to when he worked for the state medicaid system. he no longer works there (not because of the drug testing LOL) and his new job does not drug test. so i wouldnt say it's mandatory here
UPS does drug testing, but not when you're hired or randomly. They only test if you've caused an accident while on the clock, and they test for both legal and illegal stuff (including alcohol, because you shouldn't be drinking on break and then operating heavy machinery). If it wasn't prescribed, you're in trouble.
Drug testing isn't a government mandate, Dizzy, but many employers are making it mandatory within their framework. Usually prior to hire and then some are doing random drug tests or testing if you're involved in a work related accident.
Running credit checks prior to interviewing or hiring is also getting more prevalent and, given the economic climate and how many people have been hurt credit-wise, it makes it extremely difficult for lots of folks who would be excellent employees to even get a chance, not to mention a credit report is really delving into your personal information, especially since it involves the use of a social security number.
Running credit checks prior to interviewing or hiring is also getting more prevalent and, given the economic climate and how many people have been hurt credit-wise, it makes it extremely difficult for lots of folks who would be excellent employees to even get a chance, not to mention a credit report is really delving into your personal information, especially since it involves the use of a social security number.
Like its not hard enough to get a job as it is, now you even have to conform to a standard private life too??
As long as someone performs the job well, turns up sober then who are we to say what they do out of work. It's people like me who sort that crap out, employers need to concentrate on getting good people for the jobs.
I know FAR more people who've gone to work after a night on the drink than under the influence of drugs..... that is so dangerous in so many jobs.
As long as someone performs the job well, turns up sober then who are we to say what they do out of work. It's people like me who sort that crap out, employers need to concentrate on getting good people for the jobs.
I know FAR more people who've gone to work after a night on the drink than under the influence of drugs..... that is so dangerous in so many jobs.
I work in a warehouse and I get drug tested now and then. I see no problem with it and I have no problem with testing welfare recipients. Why should my hard earned money support their drug habit? Food, shelter yes. drugs no.
Massachusetts is also looking at drug testing welfare recipients and they also want to make it so they can't buy cigarettes , alcohol or lottery tickets with their ebt cards. I think they never should have been able to do that anyway. If someone fails the drug testing they are offered drug rehab, if they don't take it, they are off. I agree with that and if they test positive ever again, I'd say see ya..
Massachusetts is also looking at drug testing welfare recipients and they also want to make it so they can't buy cigarettes , alcohol or lottery tickets with their ebt cards. I think they never should have been able to do that anyway. If someone fails the drug testing they are offered drug rehab, if they don't take it, they are off. I agree with that and if they test positive ever again, I'd say see ya..
My first thought is: What about medical marijuana?
My second thought is: Those tests are NOTORIOUS for false positives.
My third thought is: To have any chance of passing the test, you have to tell the tester about all your legal medications, and I don't freaking trust them not to share that information
My fourth thought is: I've had a drug test. It was a degrading experience. I am, as I have stated before, opposed to drug tests unless they are for safety purposes. Period.
My fifth thought is: This is not for safety. Its not even about saving money, because those tests cost money, and one way or another society is going to pick up the cost of caring for these people, even if we deny them welfare. If nothing else, we'll pay for them to stay in jail . .that REALLY costs money. This is about a stereotype that people on assistence are drug users. Its about making people jump through as many hoops as possible to prove they are "worthy" of assistence, and making sure that they know that they are recieving that assistence only at the sufferance of their "betters."
My second thought is: Those tests are NOTORIOUS for false positives.
My third thought is: To have any chance of passing the test, you have to tell the tester about all your legal medications, and I don't freaking trust them not to share that information
My fourth thought is: I've had a drug test. It was a degrading experience. I am, as I have stated before, opposed to drug tests unless they are for safety purposes. Period.
My fifth thought is: This is not for safety. Its not even about saving money, because those tests cost money, and one way or another society is going to pick up the cost of caring for these people, even if we deny them welfare. If nothing else, we'll pay for them to stay in jail . .that REALLY costs money. This is about a stereotype that people on assistence are drug users. Its about making people jump through as many hoops as possible to prove they are "worthy" of assistence, and making sure that they know that they are recieving that assistence only at the sufferance of their "betters."
So what do you think will happen when people can't get welfare?
That they will magically become clean and their lives will become worth while?
I agree with Lil.. this is more about punishing people vs fixing the problem. The 'I would rather pay for them to be in jail, than for them to get help even though it costs more' mentality.
That they will magically become clean and their lives will become worth while?
I agree with Lil.. this is more about punishing people vs fixing the problem. The 'I would rather pay for them to be in jail, than for them to get help even though it costs more' mentality.
THIS!!!!
And, some states (Michigan was one) already tried this. Guess what....it cost a ton of money and they really didnt "catch" anyone. They spent way more on all the tests and time getting the tests done etc then they saved by finding a really small percent that were using.
The idea that many welfare recepients are abusing the system is just wrong. Its a popular belief, but not actually a common happening.
And, some states (Michigan was one) already tried this. Guess what....it cost a ton of money and they really didnt "catch" anyone. They spent way more on all the tests and time getting the tests done etc then they saved by finding a really small percent that were using.
The idea that many welfare recepients are abusing the system is just wrong. Its a popular belief, but not actually a common happening.
To be honest, I don't care what happens to them. Give then one chance and if they blow it, then they don't deserve to be helped. Just my opinion. Hard ass maybe, but I have seen way too many people just want to live off the system. I'm all for giving people a hand up, but if they don't want to help themselves, they are a lost cause. I'd much rather my money go towards job training for someone so they could support themself than to pay for somone who can't keep off the drugs.
If I fail my drug test at work, I'll get fired. Same should go for them.
If I fail my drug test at work, I'll get fired. Same should go for them.
Ahhhh, I've been thinking about this all day long. So we start here and what is the next step? A depo shot for all women or you won't get your check either?
I just don't know if I can put my name behind letting people fall without a safety net.
You want to save the tax payer some real money? Cut down on expenses for the defense system. Don't start unnecessary wars.
I just don't know if I can put my name behind letting people fall without a safety net.
You want to save the tax payer some real money? Cut down on expenses for the defense system. Don't start unnecessary wars.
So if someone gets another disease (that one can argue is their fault) we can give them one chance, and if not let them die?
I don't think its right that you can be drug tested at work (depending on your work).
Either way you WILL be supporting these people. This is the cheap way, jail is the expensive way. Regardless they will live off the system until they get help.
Latest studies have shown addiction diseases have a strong genetic component. Ie someone might try something and nothing happens. Other people try things and get hooked almost instantly. Its a disease. Treating them like criminals never gets them better, only ensures you pay for them for life.
I am all for making these people get help. They aren't going be be able to pay for themselves if they have drug problems (though someone smoking the odd joint isn't likely going to cause even as many issues as someone having the odd beer), but if they are refused any help other than that of the penal system... well keep paying your tax dollars for them.
I don't think its right that you can be drug tested at work (depending on your work).
Either way you WILL be supporting these people. This is the cheap way, jail is the expensive way. Regardless they will live off the system until they get help.
Latest studies have shown addiction diseases have a strong genetic component. Ie someone might try something and nothing happens. Other people try things and get hooked almost instantly. Its a disease. Treating them like criminals never gets them better, only ensures you pay for them for life.
I am all for making these people get help. They aren't going be be able to pay for themselves if they have drug problems (though someone smoking the odd joint isn't likely going to cause even as many issues as someone having the odd beer), but if they are refused any help other than that of the penal system... well keep paying your tax dollars for them.
Whatever happened to responsibility? Whatever happened to reaping what you sow?
I'm all for this. There are other ways to help the children of these people. As it is, children are used as nothing more than a means of unearned income and faces to hide behind while crying "but...but...you wouldn't deny my kids food all because if me, would you?" complete with puppy dog eyes and fake crocodile tears.
I think it's time to let people FAIL. We can't save people from themselves especially when they don't even want to be saved (I grew up with two brothers who were and still are addicts......save me the lecture and more boo-hooing).
There are always other ways......ways that aren't so dang easy for the recipients and so expensive for the working people. And you want my honest opinion? Give me my dn money back and let me help those I want to help and in the manner I want.
I'm all for this. There are other ways to help the children of these people. As it is, children are used as nothing more than a means of unearned income and faces to hide behind while crying "but...but...you wouldn't deny my kids food all because if me, would you?" complete with puppy dog eyes and fake crocodile tears.
I think it's time to let people FAIL. We can't save people from themselves especially when they don't even want to be saved (I grew up with two brothers who were and still are addicts......save me the lecture and more boo-hooing).
There are always other ways......ways that aren't so dang easy for the recipients and so expensive for the working people. And you want my honest opinion? Give me my dn money back and let me help those I want to help and in the manner I want.