Best Guard dog
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I brought it up because someone said a border collie was a good guard dog.... Guess you missed that... If you read my other posts you would see how I preach leashing and responsibly ,outside in public. However your home is completely different in my eyes .so I don't know what your trying to say now? If you read my other post and still you felt like attacking my character you lost all credibility with me .... Nonsense is what you speak.. No sense
I read the post about the Border Collie. It would not make a guard dog in the traditional sense but it could be a good watch dog and has enough size that it might deter some people if it was showing an aggressive posture. Not every guard dog has to be 100lbs. Like has already been said in this thread, MOST people who want to break into a house are going to move on even if they hear a poodle barking. It's too much unwanted attention.
I guess my point of view on the matter is it is a lot of responsibility and liability to own a dog that is capable of seriously injuring or killing someone and it should not be treated lightly.
I haven't read every post you've contributed here so I won't comment on your demeanor in those posts- I only know what I read on this one and in my opinion the way you came across was just how I said. That doesn't mean I can't agree with you on other subjects and have an open mind on your replies.
I guess my point of view on the matter is it is a lot of responsibility and liability to own a dog that is capable of seriously injuring or killing someone and it should not be treated lightly.
I haven't read every post you've contributed here so I won't comment on your demeanor in those posts- I only know what I read on this one and in my opinion the way you came across was just how I said. That doesn't mean I can't agree with you on other subjects and have an open mind on your replies.
Since the orginal poster is probably sitting back in horror watching us bicker
I thought I would post this for the orginal poster to review.
http://www.petstation.com/protection-dogs.html
I thought I would post this for the orginal poster to review.http://www.petstation.com/protection-dogs.html
Just to add regarding the border collie. She was the best guard dog as she was a great barker. Our neighbors homes were broken into...never our home. A barking dog is a good alarm system. For a home with a child, a nice dog without the full series of motor patterns is going to be the best choice. Read the newspapers and see the victoms of dog attacks...you will see that the percentage of big bad people falls short to the percentage of innocent people or children being attacked and mauled.
I am just giving advise for a person who wants a dog to warn off a would be intruder, not kill the intruder. The orginal poster has children, probably does not have the time or resource to properly train a guard dog...and even the best trained guard dogs can attack an innocent victom...it's been proven over and over.
Sonny, if you are not all just "talk" then you are a very bad representative of the APBT breed. You are the reason people want to ban the breed.
Any how, I am just statine my opinion gained by working directly with dogs for the past 20 years. I have seen some good intentions go very wrong. I have seen many children pay the price of other people trying to protect thier home.
I am just giving advise for a person who wants a dog to warn off a would be intruder, not kill the intruder. The orginal poster has children, probably does not have the time or resource to properly train a guard dog...and even the best trained guard dogs can attack an innocent victom...it's been proven over and over.
Sonny, if you are not all just "talk" then you are a very bad representative of the APBT breed. You are the reason people want to ban the breed.
Any how, I am just statine my opinion gained by working directly with dogs for the past 20 years. I have seen some good intentions go very wrong. I have seen many children pay the price of other people trying to protect thier home.
years ago I lived in a pretty bad part of Milwaukee.I had a bullmastiff-pittbull mix that we found at the humane society. In the 2 years we lived there every house around us was broken into except ours and someonewho had a gsd.Most of the other people did have dogs but they were small.I dont understand what all the arguing is about. Get the kind of dog that best suits you and be a responsible dog owner.
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Come on folks !!! It's odd that no one has related how their big, bad dog saved their life ! Those who want a " guard dog ", so be it ! I've got a Pitty next to me and a Rottie 2 doors down.... yet there was a murder in the house in between a few months ago, My life moves on...I'm happy with my Golden. Lord, if someone wants to rob or rape me they won't get much in either case.! This is going no where !!!
Could you tell me a book or academic source that states this to be true? I am teacher of history and read lots about Medieval warfare and have never read this any where. War dogs were used more in ancient warfare (Rome and earlier) and even then only as shock attack vs infantry that was poorly armored.
Yes I was referring to the Romans and Greeks.QUOTE=Amstaffer]Could you tell me a book or academic source that states this to be true? I am teacher of history and read lots about Medieval warfare and have never read this any where. War dogs were used more in ancient warfare (Rome and earlier) and even then only as shock attack vs infantry that was poorly armored.[/QUOTE]
Well, I guess we have found out that we all have so many different opinions concerning dogs being protective. The thing is, they are dogs, they are bred for certain capabilities. That is why we chose the breeds we own. We know they will fit into our lifestyle and our family. The things we do seem to agree on, socialize, socialize, good training and a lot of love, they are the most important things.
Doglover4- I am sorry, your original post was mis-interpreted by most of us. I apologize. What you were looking for in a dog, was not out of the ordinary for many people. I hope you find the perfect breed to compliment your lifestyle, love your children, and make you and your family feel safe.
I have to say this... my worse fear is not my dogs attacking someone breaking into my house. It is someone poisoning them. So many dogs that are loved, and protective of their families are poisoned.
And, it is really sad, and annoying that we have so many liberal judges in this country that are for the criminal. Poor George Washington and Abraham Lincoln must be rolling over in their graves. When do I as a tax paying american get a break? And, when do I as a dog owner get a break. I'm sick of it.
You know, My husband and I had dinner with a Texas Marshall a few weeks ago. We were discussing, dog bites, criminals breaking into your house etc. I asked him, If my dogs should attack someone breaking into my house, will there be a problem. You know what he said? "First of all, you have to prove you didn't invite that person into your house". "Second, I hope you own a gun,you better shoot to kill"..."Dead men don't talk or sue you".
Geez, isn't that nice?
Doglover4- I am sorry, your original post was mis-interpreted by most of us. I apologize. What you were looking for in a dog, was not out of the ordinary for many people. I hope you find the perfect breed to compliment your lifestyle, love your children, and make you and your family feel safe.
I have to say this... my worse fear is not my dogs attacking someone breaking into my house. It is someone poisoning them. So many dogs that are loved, and protective of their families are poisoned.
And, it is really sad, and annoying that we have so many liberal judges in this country that are for the criminal. Poor George Washington and Abraham Lincoln must be rolling over in their graves. When do I as a tax paying american get a break? And, when do I as a dog owner get a break. I'm sick of it.
You know, My husband and I had dinner with a Texas Marshall a few weeks ago. We were discussing, dog bites, criminals breaking into your house etc. I asked him, If my dogs should attack someone breaking into my house, will there be a problem. You know what he said? "First of all, you have to prove you didn't invite that person into your house". "Second, I hope you own a gun,you better shoot to kill"..."Dead men don't talk or sue you".
Geez, isn't that nice?
This is getting really funny.... Again, I have a parrot that will "alarm" me of certain circumstances and intrusions.... As for dogs.... MOST dogs with "guard" your home, because it's THEIR home too. They are, by nature, protective (to a point).
Again, I trained my boxer to become VERY well protective in all types of aspects, but dogs with small muzzels are not always the "prime" choice...but mine was extreme and put a hole in my dads palm at one point while we were training.
Don't even remember who started this post, and I don't know exactly why they need a guard dog... but if you are a family guy/gal with kids, then you need to watch what type of dog you get, and you need to know what you want from him/her. It can be a "scary" breed, or a mutt, but as through the ages, it shows, IF you treat your companion well, they will return the favor. I have seen a lot of cases, they do so regardless....
I can see from the post, you are not a trainer, so if you want a REAL GUARD DOG, trained in various forms, then....NO, don't ask here, go somewhere physical, speak to several trainers that specialize in this type of protection, find one you like, then GO with the trainer or investigate with the trainer on the type of dog you are looking for. After that, have the trainer test the dog, or several dogs and when one is found, work with that trainer side by side and get a postive result. I don't know what else to say or recommend. How high, by level, do you want this dog trained for protection?
Again, I trained my boxer to become VERY well protective in all types of aspects, but dogs with small muzzels are not always the "prime" choice...but mine was extreme and put a hole in my dads palm at one point while we were training.
Don't even remember who started this post, and I don't know exactly why they need a guard dog... but if you are a family guy/gal with kids, then you need to watch what type of dog you get, and you need to know what you want from him/her. It can be a "scary" breed, or a mutt, but as through the ages, it shows, IF you treat your companion well, they will return the favor. I have seen a lot of cases, they do so regardless....
I can see from the post, you are not a trainer, so if you want a REAL GUARD DOG, trained in various forms, then....NO, don't ask here, go somewhere physical, speak to several trainers that specialize in this type of protection, find one you like, then GO with the trainer or investigate with the trainer on the type of dog you are looking for. After that, have the trainer test the dog, or several dogs and when one is found, work with that trainer side by side and get a postive result. I don't know what else to say or recommend. How high, by level, do you want this dog trained for protection?
That's what I posted (similar) in a few pages ago.....totally "police talk." So I get what you mean. Again, please realize, if I was a criminal (and I am NOT), but if I was........dogs would not deter me, only because I am an animal person, but for the COMMON criminal, they don't want to deal with a dog, no matter what size. Put a "attack dog" sign on the front and back of your home, have stickers (wether or not you have an alarm system), lock doors, windows, etc...
I am armed, because I choose to be...(plus, I love to shoot as a release)rather kill a felon, then have a felon kill my family. My dog(s) are part of the protection, that is why they were trained to attact anyone pointing "anything" at me, gun, stick, bat, knife...that gives me time to retrieve my weapon, call 911 and cover my a**.
My Special Forces dad has given me protective training all my life because he loves me, and I am a female. I am a tall, blonde and I travel a lot, so I do have to deal with crap, but I never let my guard down. Nor should any of you regardless of hair color, gender, race or whatever.
I am armed, because I choose to be...(plus, I love to shoot as a release)rather kill a felon, then have a felon kill my family. My dog(s) are part of the protection, that is why they were trained to attact anyone pointing "anything" at me, gun, stick, bat, knife...that gives me time to retrieve my weapon, call 911 and cover my a**.
My Special Forces dad has given me protective training all my life because he loves me, and I am a female. I am a tall, blonde and I travel a lot, so I do have to deal with crap, but I never let my guard down. Nor should any of you regardless of hair color, gender, race or whatever.
Animal biz, I am only 5'5 and as a woman and a redhead I have been hit on all of my life. Please don't take this as a racial slur, but so many Hispanics and black men made many remarks that made me very uncomfortable, and still do.. Living close to Houston women get raped, mugged and killed everyday. Some people may think I am terrible for owning a 9mm and dogs with protective nature but, hey it is time for a reality check. S**t happens and people die. It is not a pretty world we live in. My husband works out of town a lot and he and I are living in the real world and realize there is always a chance...hopefully that will never happen but, I would rather be prepared, than not.
I also enjoy target practice. I was much better with my old 38 but I am getting used to my 9mm. I think I am going to like her. If all else fails, I am excellent with a shot gun. My dad taught me how to shoot one when I was twelve. And, he was tough, no playing and no missing. He was one of those dads that had a daughter and looked to the future. Yep, I'm a daddy's girl.
No,I would never ask my dogs to give their life for me. But, I am smart enough to know, they will get there first, then it is up to me...
I also enjoy target practice. I was much better with my old 38 but I am getting used to my 9mm. I think I am going to like her. If all else fails, I am excellent with a shot gun. My dad taught me how to shoot one when I was twelve. And, he was tough, no playing and no missing. He was one of those dads that had a daughter and looked to the future. Yep, I'm a daddy's girl.
No,I would never ask my dogs to give their life for me. But, I am smart enough to know, they will get there first, then it is up to me...
