All you people with all this dead dog talk First of all the guy asked what's a good guard dog, ability ,size etc. Secondly dogs have been used in warfare for thousands of years, known to take an armed man, a heavily armored armed man off a galloping horse! with a fricken sword or some medieval weapon. They are used through and up to present day war in Iraq .They provide a service ,a duty that is respected . And they love to do it because its what they have been bred for thousands of years to do (serve man) .... Now most burglaries that happen are unarmed drug addicts, or rapist with knives ...The armed professional will have the upper hand but that's the exception . In that case your screwed anyway so go out fighting ,not curl in a ball and hope he passes by or submit WTF. I like to see some drug addict crack head with a knife take on my dog,he better have a gun or he's leaving in a black bag.... maybe a hamster would be a better choice for some
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I think Sonny is either young and just talking, or if in fact what Sonny says is true then here is the person that is promoting breed bans...he would be the person who scares neighbors with his dogs. This is the type of mentality which makes it difficult for us reponsible owners.
Do I think my Rottweiler would attack a grown person...no I don't. Just the fact that I have a dog is enough deterant, be it a border collie which I had a as a child, to a Newf to a Rottweiler. A would be assaliant is going to have a much more difficult time attacking a person with a dog...most dogs (or any I know) usually give some type of warning when they feel a threat.
Also, most situations that you are going to be attacked in...9 times out of 10 you will be attacked when you don't have your dog with you.
So, Sonny when you are being attacked in a bar room brawl you can threaten the attacker all you want that your dog could kick a$$...it won't do you any good.
Do I think my Rottweiler would attack a grown person...no I don't. Just the fact that I have a dog is enough deterant, be it a border collie which I had a as a child, to a Newf to a Rottweiler. A would be assaliant is going to have a much more difficult time attacking a person with a dog...most dogs (or any I know) usually give some type of warning when they feel a threat.
Also, most situations that you are going to be attacked in...9 times out of 10 you will be attacked when you don't have your dog with you.
So, Sonny when you are being attacked in a bar room brawl you can threaten the attacker all you want that your dog could kick a$$...it won't do you any good.
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People who are obsessed with their dogs attacking and killing things disgust me. Do you really want your dog to kill somebody? Because if that happens you'll have people saying your dog is vicious and the dog will be euthanized. I would much rather my dogs stay alive than die because some jerk wants to steal something from me. You say we're going crazy with this dogs dying thing? Um, hello, lots intruders carry weapons - they want to commit a crime, and they don't want anyone to stop them. One bullet could easily injure or kill a dog. I know my dogs would protect me - they are very protective and good at sensing things about people. But I don't want them to kill somebody and then have to be euthanized for protecting me. And I don't want them to be shot or stabbed and die.
Get over yourselves and stop acting like you and your dog(s) are better then everybody else.
Just yesterday, I was walking my border collie mix when it was a bit dark out. We came upon an old man, and to be polite, I said hello. Now, I've seen this man before, and he's just a little...weird. He grunted and started to come forward to try and get past. Tippy jumped forward and barked as loud as she could. I pulled her back and told her to calm down. She stood next to me and kept an eye on him. That, in my opinion, is the perfect protector. She keeps strangers away from me and would probably grab onto a piece of clothing or body part to restrain any person she thought was dangerous.
Get over yourselves and stop acting like you and your dog(s) are better then everybody else.
Just yesterday, I was walking my border collie mix when it was a bit dark out. We came upon an old man, and to be polite, I said hello. Now, I've seen this man before, and he's just a little...weird. He grunted and started to come forward to try and get past. Tippy jumped forward and barked as loud as she could. I pulled her back and told her to calm down. She stood next to me and kept an eye on him. That, in my opinion, is the perfect protector. She keeps strangers away from me and would probably grab onto a piece of clothing or body part to restrain any person she thought was dangerous.
You are obviously out of touch with reality. or perhaps you have led a sheltered life away from reality. I'm glad for you I really am .Blind fate makes an easy victim. In the real world things of this nature happen every day, it doesn't make me a bad owner for taking precautions with my family. Nor does it make me want to ban breeds .I simply use them as I posted previously. My job is to got to work and pay the mortgage ...his is to protect the home period. You have a problem with that FU. When you say your rotty wouldn't bite if you where in danger makes me wonder what the hell kind of rotty you have (mut)... You don't need to attack my character and further display your ignorance. How many would be assailants do you know?? In my world I met a few.. I know what I'm talking about ,and what about a bar room brawl ?? you ignoramus ..stick to the subject ,I hate these forums because people like you .
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I think Sonny is either young and just talking, or if in fact what Sonny says is true then here is the person that is promoting breed bans...he would be the person who scares neighbors with his dogs. This is the type of mentality which makes it difficult for us reponsible owners.
Do I think my Rottweiler would attack a grown person...no I don't. Just the fact that I have a dog is enough deterant, be it a border collie which I had a as a child, to a Newf to a Rottweiler. A would be assaliant is going to have a much more difficult time attacking a person with a dog...most dogs (or any I know) usually give some type of warning when they feel a threat.
Also, most situations that you are going to be attacked in...9 times out of 10 you will be attacked when you don't have your dog with you.
So, Sonny when you are being attacked in a bar room brawl you can threaten the attacker all you want that your dog could kick a$$...it won't do you any good.
Do I think my Rottweiler would attack a grown person...no I don't. Just the fact that I have a dog is enough deterant, be it a border collie which I had a as a child, to a Newf to a Rottweiler. A would be assaliant is going to have a much more difficult time attacking a person with a dog...most dogs (or any I know) usually give some type of warning when they feel a threat.
Also, most situations that you are going to be attacked in...9 times out of 10 you will be attacked when you don't have your dog with you.
So, Sonny when you are being attacked in a bar room brawl you can threaten the attacker all you want that your dog could kick a$$...it won't do you any good.
All you people with all this dead dog talk First of all the guy asked what's a good guard dog, ability ,size etc. Secondly dogs have been used in warfare for thousands of years, known to take an armed man, a heavily armored armed man off a galloping horse! with a fricken sword or some medieval weapon. They are used through and up to present day war in Iraq .They provide a service ,a duty that is respected . And they love to do it because its what they have been bred for thousands of years to do (serve man) .... Now most burglaries that happen are unarmed drug addicts, or rapist with knives ...The armed professional will have the upper hand but that's the exception . In that case your screwed anyway so go out fighting ,not curl in a ball and hope he passes by or submit WTF. I like to see some drug addict crack head with a knife take on my dog,he better have a gun or he's leaving in a black bag.... maybe a hamster would be a better choice for some
In what crazy world do dog get euthenized for protecting their property/owner... certainly not in a one we live in...
Obviously If it can be avoided I dont want my dog to get hurt, but if push came to shove I want him to be able to take care of things without running back and hiding under a couch. I also want him to be physically able to stop an attacker, no offense but a border collie wont stop anything, there is just not enough physical strength there. If im home with him, ill stop him from actually killing an intruder and hold them at gun/dog point until police arrives, if he's alone inside my house... Well he'll do his job and I feel sorry for anything that gets into it. And chances are it'll never happen, but in case it will I know that anything bar swat team cant enter my house and leave alive without me being there.
p.s. My dog's main job is house protection, not my personal protection, although he does that job as well when we go for walks.
I see nothing wrong with attack and guard dogs when they are in right hands... I dont know why anyone would see it otherwise.
Dogs have a purpose, mine's is to guard. If yours is to cuddle with you, then more power to you, but dont put down other dogs and their owners for having a different purpose. Besides, I probably spend more time training and socializing him then majority of dog owners... But whatever, he can kill a person or a animal that is attacking his family so he must be a bad dog and I must be a bad owner, right?
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We don't live in a fair world - life isn't fair. Your dog kills somebody, even if it's to protect you and your property, there will still be people who label it as "vicious" and you may have to have your dog put down. That's the way it is. I don't think that's fair - a dog has the right to protect it's family and home.
I have three dogs. Put together they weigh over 170 lbs.. That's around the weight of an average man. So say a man around that size came tried to break into my home...he'd have two of my dogs biting him, making a lot of noise and one standing there barking, which would get the neighbors suspicious. My dogs are strong physically. Put together they could easily hurt somebody. My border collie mix could and would bite someone she did not feel was safe. She's not huge, but she's big enough that she could do some damage (she weighs a bit and has big teeth lol).
I'm not putting down guard dogs. I understand that some people need guard dogs. That's not a problem with me as long as they realize that their dog needs to be properly restrained at all times and they take proper care of the dog. I think you saying my dogs' job is to cuddle with me is rude. I'm sick of you acting as if a dog isn't a 100+ lbs. guard dog, it's somehow "puny". My dogs are wonderful friends, they keep me company and also protect me. I feel and am safe with them. Yes I cuddle with them - why wouldn't I, they're extremely fuzzy lol - but because I do that doesn't mean they're worthless.
I have three dogs. Put together they weigh over 170 lbs.. That's around the weight of an average man. So say a man around that size came tried to break into my home...he'd have two of my dogs biting him, making a lot of noise and one standing there barking, which would get the neighbors suspicious. My dogs are strong physically. Put together they could easily hurt somebody. My border collie mix could and would bite someone she did not feel was safe. She's not huge, but she's big enough that she could do some damage (she weighs a bit and has big teeth lol).
I'm not putting down guard dogs. I understand that some people need guard dogs. That's not a problem with me as long as they realize that their dog needs to be properly restrained at all times and they take proper care of the dog. I think you saying my dogs' job is to cuddle with me is rude. I'm sick of you acting as if a dog isn't a 100+ lbs. guard dog, it's somehow "puny". My dogs are wonderful friends, they keep me company and also protect me. I feel and am safe with them. Yes I cuddle with them - why wouldn't I, they're extremely fuzzy lol - but because I do that doesn't mean they're worthless.
Sonny all you have done is a bunch of macho posturing about your big bad dog. If you want a "guard" dog, more power to you (you have some sort of Bully breed right? They are not really guard dogs, they are supposed to get along with people aren't they?). But you are misinformed when you say a dog doesn't have to be taught how to guard. A guard dog has to know what is a threat is and what isn't. Like the example of a kid playing with yours and them getting rough, you want your dog attacking the other kid? I hope not. Are some dogs easier to teach? Sure because some dogs are bred for guarding so it comes a little easier. But to have a true guard dog who is going to physically confront what he perceives to be a threat, he better be trained to determine if its a real threat or not. Not many dogs going on their guarding instinct can make that choice on their own when left alone in the house.
If you don't like it here, no one is asking you to hang around. There are plenty of forums for people want to be internet tough guys, which seems to be the theme of your posts here.
If you don't like it here, no one is asking you to hang around. There are plenty of forums for people want to be internet tough guys, which seems to be the theme of your posts here.
"p.s. My dog's main job is house protection, not my personal protection, although he does that job as well when we go for walks."
How often does he have to protect you on a walk? Has he ever had to do that? Or are his huge 2" teeth enough to keep the general low life population from approaching you? You must live in a really bad area where you need a huge protection dog to walk outside and bulletproof windows to stay safe inside.
How often does he have to protect you on a walk? Has he ever had to do that? Or are his huge 2" teeth enough to keep the general low life population from approaching you? You must live in a really bad area where you need a huge protection dog to walk outside and bulletproof windows to stay safe inside.
I never recommend a bully breed. I answer his question with a rotty. People ganged up on the guy.... .I stuck to the subject and gave him my opinion ...I then was and being attacked. Its funny how everyone that posted and only one who personally attack a character ...now its you maybe you should go someplace else I'm sticking to the post you people are not.
He actually did from wild racoons mostly. I think I made a thread about that here few months back when racoon attacked me when i was throwing away trash and my dog grabbed it and threw it away.
I dont need him for protection from human threats outside of my house, stop nitpicking my words and taking them out of context..
And its really its none of your business as to why I need to protect insides of my house.
Your comments in this post have been about 1: your big gun. 2: how you have been in fights with dogs and know that you can take a border collie (big deal) and 3: how your dog is so tough that the average unarmed intruder would leave your house in a body bag. Then you get all hot under the collar when a forum member gets on you a bit about what you are posting. That is macho posturing to me.
As far as your next post (my post about the 2" teeth was not directed to you but to my good friend oriondw), I asked if you own a bully breed, not if you recommend one as a guard dog. I agree, they would not be a good choice for a guard dog, but if thats what you have, and he will cause an uninvited intruder to leave in a body bag, then you have obviously trained him to go against his breeding if he's going to be aggressive to people.
For the original poster, yes, a lot of us own dogs that are by nature guard dogs- GSD, Rotties, Caucasians. Just because that kind of dog is bred for guarding, doesn't mean they don't have to be trained, and in most cases, even more so than a dog that does not have natural guarding ability. As much as Oriondw and I disagree on things, I'm sure that he spends lots and lots of time with his dog to make sure it knows what is a threat and what is not. I spend a lot of time training my GSD and I will continue to do so, and the other owners do the same. Thinking that you can get a dog like these and let nature take its course is misinformed. Guard dogs need to be trained and socialized more than other dogs because of those instincts they are bred with, and to not do so would be irresponsible.
As far as your next post (my post about the 2" teeth was not directed to you but to my good friend oriondw), I asked if you own a bully breed, not if you recommend one as a guard dog. I agree, they would not be a good choice for a guard dog, but if thats what you have, and he will cause an uninvited intruder to leave in a body bag, then you have obviously trained him to go against his breeding if he's going to be aggressive to people.
For the original poster, yes, a lot of us own dogs that are by nature guard dogs- GSD, Rotties, Caucasians. Just because that kind of dog is bred for guarding, doesn't mean they don't have to be trained, and in most cases, even more so than a dog that does not have natural guarding ability. As much as Oriondw and I disagree on things, I'm sure that he spends lots and lots of time with his dog to make sure it knows what is a threat and what is not. I spend a lot of time training my GSD and I will continue to do so, and the other owners do the same. Thinking that you can get a dog like these and let nature take its course is misinformed. Guard dogs need to be trained and socialized more than other dogs because of those instincts they are bred with, and to not do so would be irresponsible.
1st of all I was attacked a few times on the job, I didn't fight with it for fun. I should have made it clear but I forgot about people like you ,and yes I threw a chow over a fence to get it off me. My dog also knows the difference from friend or foe from socialization ,and yes he is a bully. However did I ever mention pitbull in any of my reply's to this post ??? I will answer it for you no never...If I was so macho and whatever you said I would have done so, but I didnt because I am not like that. so keep your wise a## comments to yourself and stick to the thread..