Best Guard dog
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I own 2 GSDs but they are not guard dogs,they are watchdogs.Although my German pup will be doing SchH to get her breed Survey.My dogs have never been expected to protect me that is my job.Their job is to warn me of any danger so I can handle it.I have a kid I am not going to risk her life with a guard dog.
Wow that just doesn't sound right
you own a 2 german sheperds, but there not guard dogs.
and you wouldn't risk your daughters life with a guard dog, but you have a 2 guard dogs no matter what your saying.
I'm pretty sure that if a stranger broke into your house those 2 dogs would pretty quickly realize the situation and protect you and your daughter with their lives.
you own a 2 german sheperds, but there not guard dogs.
and you wouldn't risk your daughters life with a guard dog, but you have a 2 guard dogs no matter what your saying.
I'm pretty sure that if a stranger broke into your house those 2 dogs would pretty quickly realize the situation and protect you and your daughter with their lives.
your not even supposed to train your dog to be a guard dog,
Guard dogs: GSD,DOBERMAN,ROTTWEILER,BULL MASTIFF
those are some of the most common guard dogs and they all have NATURAL guarding instincts that do not need to be brought out in them anymore then necssary becuase really it just makes them over protective.
Guard dogs: GSD,DOBERMAN,ROTTWEILER,BULL MASTIFF
those are some of the most common guard dogs and they all have NATURAL guarding instincts that do not need to be brought out in them anymore then necssary becuase really it just makes them over protective.
GSDs are a Herding Breed.Do you think of a Border Collie or Old English Sheepdog as a Guard dog too.Alot of dogs can be trained to guard but in dogs with good temperments you cant expect them to attack a intruder.You can expect them to put up a good show with noise and such but not all dogs are guard dogs as previously stated.
Ok, many of us on here have dogs with protective instincts. We all know should the situation arise they will do their very best to protect us. It is bred in them. So, while we don't want anything to happen to our protective dogs because we love them and they are part of the family. We all have to admit, realistically they will be the first to notice an intruder. It is doubtful they are going to stand there and do nothing. It would be against their nature. The question is? Could we, under those circumstances actually make our dog stop. Mine have never been put in the position of a life threatning situation. Truthfully, I can only say, Lord help the person who would try. They would be tag teamed by a rottie and a fila.
Actually, GSDs are herding breeds for a reason. I believe they were (and occasionally still are) used as herding dogs, that had the size and ability to guard the stock if necessary. Most lines in the breed has just turned more towards the protection side of work instead of the herding side.... Most GSDs couldn't tell a sheep from a boulder, but they are nice family dogs that can protect if necessary.
Edit: Sorry, but this is one of my pet peeves... They are German ShepHERDS. Not Shepards, not Sheperds. They herd, they don't ard or erd.
Edit: Sorry, but this is one of my pet peeves... They are German ShepHERDS. Not Shepards, not Sheperds. They herd, they don't ard or erd.
Actually, Doglover 4, I would say many of the rare breeds are the true natural protection dogs. Many are banned from countries due to their protection abilities. This is where you have to be extremly careful. Owning my rottie is one thing, owning my fila is another. These dogs are a wonderful asset to the family, but they can be a big liability also. You have to constantly watch and be aware of them at all times. A Rottie can take someone down and hurt them, but a 150+ lb Fila can pulverize someone. You don't want that to happen to some kid who is playing with your kids.
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Filarotten is the only person in the last 2 pages to actually make any sense in their post.
Oriondw, your an idiot plain and simple are you really going to argue with me that those dogs i just named need to be taught how to guard?
hell no, your not becuase everybody knows that all those dogs can guard you, and IMO those so called guarding schools, where they teach your dog how to guard is wrong and is basically making your dog just more aggresive and untrusting of people plain and simple.
the best thing you can do if you own a guard dog is take him to obedience classes and socialize him period end of debate.
here's proof
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/doberman.htm
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/germanshepherd.htm
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/rottweiler.htm
Oriondw, your an idiot plain and simple are you really going to argue with me that those dogs i just named need to be taught how to guard?
hell no, your not becuase everybody knows that all those dogs can guard you, and IMO those so called guarding schools, where they teach your dog how to guard is wrong and is basically making your dog just more aggresive and untrusting of people plain and simple.
the best thing you can do if you own a guard dog is take him to obedience classes and socialize him period end of debate.
here's proof
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/doberman.htm
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/germanshepherd.htm
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/rottweiler.htm
I am rather concerned about this - you don't seem to understand a point most people here are trying to make. Or maybe you understand some of the words different than say oriondw does.
In the dog world, it seems, that the definition of a "Guard Dog" is one that is trained to attack intruders preferably on the command of it's owner, (as in regards to Schutzhund) instead of just willy nilly, which a lot of home trained "guard dogs" are prone to doing. The home trained guard dogs are generally the ones who attack anything that crosses the property and/or can turn on their handlers.
A Watch Dog is one that barks in an attempt at scaring away the intruder. This is USUALLY all one needs, and ALL dogs regardless of breed or size can do this.
You don't really have to train a dog to be a watch dog, you do need to train a guard dog... regardless of his instincts or nature. And generally to do the training the RIGHT way - you need, have to, MUST contact a professional who has a proper guard dog training - ie Schutzhund - in order to be responsible and know all the ins and outs of what you are getting into.
What i see is that most people are trying to stress to you the seriousness of what you are trying to undertake. This is neither an easy proposition, an inexpesive one, or one that just any ol' dog will be able to do. I know there is someone on Chaz who was training their GSD to do Schutzhund, but have now quit because the dog's temperment as he grows into adult hood just isn't good for this kind of work. (i currently am blanking out their name - anyone want to help me here?) Also this isn't something that is accomplished in a few months, it takes several years to train everything the dog needs to know, and for the rest of the dog's life you have tio be on constant guard.
Now for you saying that some people are being hypocritical because they also own guard dogs... are you just saying because they own rotts or gsds, or caucasian mountan dogs, that these dogs are automatically, in your eyes, "guard dogs?" I think you would find if you actually looked at most of the posts these people do these dogs are first and foremost PETS who act as natural watch dogs... and do not nor are they expected, in most cases, to guard their people.
In my case I own a small pit mix. He's my watch dog. I sleep safer knowing he's there ready to wake up to almost any noise just outside our door. He can't guard anything... he's scared to death of our hedgehog... and he's an even better alarm clock. He rocks as a cuddle monster, and he's good with kids. However, if my boyfriend and I argue he will go hide in his crate, he only starts to get remotely antsy if anyone goes to hit me... he will then creep out of his crate and try to get between me and whoever else.
I do not consider him a guard dog however. It is my duty to protect him, not the other way around, especially since I have opposable thumbs.
In the dog world, it seems, that the definition of a "Guard Dog" is one that is trained to attack intruders preferably on the command of it's owner, (as in regards to Schutzhund) instead of just willy nilly, which a lot of home trained "guard dogs" are prone to doing. The home trained guard dogs are generally the ones who attack anything that crosses the property and/or can turn on their handlers.
A Watch Dog is one that barks in an attempt at scaring away the intruder. This is USUALLY all one needs, and ALL dogs regardless of breed or size can do this.
You don't really have to train a dog to be a watch dog, you do need to train a guard dog... regardless of his instincts or nature. And generally to do the training the RIGHT way - you need, have to, MUST contact a professional who has a proper guard dog training - ie Schutzhund - in order to be responsible and know all the ins and outs of what you are getting into.
What i see is that most people are trying to stress to you the seriousness of what you are trying to undertake. This is neither an easy proposition, an inexpesive one, or one that just any ol' dog will be able to do. I know there is someone on Chaz who was training their GSD to do Schutzhund, but have now quit because the dog's temperment as he grows into adult hood just isn't good for this kind of work. (i currently am blanking out their name - anyone want to help me here?) Also this isn't something that is accomplished in a few months, it takes several years to train everything the dog needs to know, and for the rest of the dog's life you have tio be on constant guard.
Now for you saying that some people are being hypocritical because they also own guard dogs... are you just saying because they own rotts or gsds, or caucasian mountan dogs, that these dogs are automatically, in your eyes, "guard dogs?" I think you would find if you actually looked at most of the posts these people do these dogs are first and foremost PETS who act as natural watch dogs... and do not nor are they expected, in most cases, to guard their people.
In my case I own a small pit mix. He's my watch dog. I sleep safer knowing he's there ready to wake up to almost any noise just outside our door. He can't guard anything... he's scared to death of our hedgehog... and he's an even better alarm clock. He rocks as a cuddle monster, and he's good with kids. However, if my boyfriend and I argue he will go hide in his crate, he only starts to get remotely antsy if anyone goes to hit me... he will then creep out of his crate and try to get between me and whoever else.
I do not consider him a guard dog however. It is my duty to protect him, not the other way around, especially since I have opposable thumbs.
Well good post, but maybe we just seem to have a different definition of guard dog.
I'm not saying i want a dog that will attack anybody who gets close enough to me without me telling him to back off. that would be what you call an "attack dog" not a "guard dog". I don't want or need a dog that bites without reason
all i'm saying is that I would like a dog that would give his life to ensure the safety of others. I've already stated before i'm looking for a family dog first with guardian instincts.
I'm not saying i want a dog that will attack anybody who gets close enough to me without me telling him to back off. that would be what you call an "attack dog" not a "guard dog". I don't want or need a dog that bites without reason
all i'm saying is that I would like a dog that would give his life to ensure the safety of others. I've already stated before i'm looking for a family dog first with guardian instincts.
Good post, Mojozen.
Doglover4... No, the dogs do not need to be taught to protect. That's instinctive. Instinct is not a substitute for training. Even potentially excellent guard dog may not know when is an appropriate time to protect without a lot of socialization and training... Somebody posted before that anyone can teach a dog to attack, but it's teaching them when not to that requires skill and experience as a handler.
Doglover4... No, the dogs do not need to be taught to protect. That's instinctive. Instinct is not a substitute for training. Even potentially excellent guard dog may not know when is an appropriate time to protect without a lot of socialization and training... Somebody posted before that anyone can teach a dog to attack, but it's teaching them when not to that requires skill and experience as a handler.