Are the dogs responsible?
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As someone who did animal control for two years, I can see your point.
However, these dogs aren't pets, they're working dogs. They also weren't let out. That child wandered into their pen. Yes, perhaps the pen should be better. But hey, I've worked and known dogs that would sooner rip a child's head off than look at it. Just takes proper management. And no, I'm not talking about pets. I'm talking about working dogs. I understand how some of you may not be able to accept a good worker that is child or general human aggressive, but I've seen some that lived out their lives just fine with JUST their people and they did their jobs.
However, these dogs aren't pets, they're working dogs. They also weren't let out. That child wandered into their pen. Yes, perhaps the pen should be better. But hey, I've worked and known dogs that would sooner rip a child's head off than look at it. Just takes proper management. And no, I'm not talking about pets. I'm talking about working dogs. I understand how some of you may not be able to accept a good worker that is child or general human aggressive, but I've seen some that lived out their lives just fine with JUST their people and they did their jobs.
I think some of us are forgetting just how dextrous and clever little kids can be when it comes to opening locks. Those dogs could have been very secure and the girl still may have found a way to let them loose. After all, she had played with these dogs many times, I'm sure to her mind they posed no thread. And no, I'm not blaming the girl for what happened. Far from it. I'm just pointing out that even the best preperations have been undone by a child with nimble fingers.
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First off it's very sad that the little girl lost her life.
I have to say though that it is just the parents fault... As people have mentioned this dogs did not get loose and attack her, they were on their property. The dogs were obviously confined and she trespassed.
As Zoom said, I'm sure the girl had seen the lock opened/closed before while she was over there, so it's very likely that they were securely confined and this little girl just knew generally how to open the "kennel" or whatever it is.
First off it's very sad that the little girl lost her life.
I have to say though that it is just the parents fault... As people have mentioned this dogs did not get loose and attack her, they were on their property. The dogs were obviously confined and she trespassed.
As Zoom said, I'm sure the girl had seen the lock opened/closed before while she was over there, so it's very likely that they were securely confined and this little girl just knew generally how to open the "kennel" or whatever it is.
Its a terrible thing thet happened, we dont know the facts. I would not let a 4 year old out of my sight, but to me if a dog kills a child it has to be put down, period. Do I think its the dogs "fault"? of course not, its a dog, not human.I live way in the middle of nowhere and sometimes Bruno and Bella are in a kennel, seperate ones. They are not aggresive dogs but if I lived in a town with people around and I had to leave them in a kennel they would be padlocked becouse you just never know 100% what a dog will do if your not with them.But regaredless whos to blame, there is no place in society for dogs that have killed children.
i have a huntin dog. he does not live outside but his parents did and alot of huntin dogs around here do and they are in chainlink "kennels". They are fine with anyone until you look like prey these dog are born and bred to hunt. I have a hog dog and i know i would never let a little kid get on all fours around him because of his training. And kids can get into anything no matter how secure. This was a tragedy but i do blame the parents you DO NOT let a 4 year old out of your sight. Ive known that since i was 6 so how could they not know that.
The article is vague, but they asked why were the dogs not in a proper enclosure? Also the home owner said he thought he could trust the dogs, he underestimated what they could do. I feel if some one has dogs like this( I have nothing against hog dogs) they need to take every possible precaution to make sure a child can not get to them. I know 4 year olds can get into alot of things but how could she get into a secure kennel with a padlock?
I have never heard of "hog dogs" before. I just did some googling on them and the whole practice is pretty disgusting IMHO. Using dogs to torture pigs (wild or not) is to me insane. Anyone who encourages this kind of aggression and violence from their dog should be held responsible for what the dogs do.
I change my opinion from my earlier post. This guy was raising stone cold killers if they are "Hog Dogs". I think he should be put in prison for animal abuse and for creating animals that killed that little girl.
I change my opinion from my earlier post. This guy was raising stone cold killers if they are "Hog Dogs". I think he should be put in prison for animal abuse and for creating animals that killed that little girl.
hunting dogs ..ie... coonhounds are bred to hunt and capture their prey. We all know that any dog even the littliest ones can and do bite and cause harm.
I can not understand how a 4 yr old little child is out running loose at all and of course I would blame the parents infact they need to be charged with willful child endangerment and neglect and maybe a few more things.
If she were hit by a car are we going to PTS the car? I can not believe that with all the evil out there these days a 4 year old child is running around unmissed !
I can not understand how a 4 yr old little child is out running loose at all and of course I would blame the parents infact they need to be charged with willful child endangerment and neglect and maybe a few more things.
If she were hit by a car are we going to PTS the car? I can not believe that with all the evil out there these days a 4 year old child is running around unmissed !
http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/animal_fighting_the_final_round/hog_dog_fighting.html
http://www.helpinganimals.com/oi_hogDogRodeos.asp
Well according to these websites it looks more sick that sport.
If you use dogs to find pigs...and then shoot the pig so that they die quickly....I guess that is "sport". However if you run pigs down and then have you dogs attack and rip apart the pig while you giggle with delite...then, in my book, you are a freaking twisted person.
http://www.helpinganimals.com/oi_hogDogRodeos.asp
Well according to these websites it looks more sick that sport.
If you use dogs to find pigs...and then shoot the pig so that they die quickly....I guess that is "sport". However if you run pigs down and then have you dogs attack and rip apart the pig while you giggle with delite...then, in my book, you are a freaking twisted person.
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Amstaffer - The links you posted are obviously not out hunting. Dogs run fast and get ahead of their owners, who have guns, by a long ways. Would you rather a dog get gored by a hog in the woods or have it defend itself fighting the hog til you show up? In a ring, I don't agree with. The hog is defensless and it's as bad as dog fighting. In the wild, it's what is done with hunting dogs.
AmStaffer i do it and Tytus my hog dog doesnt tear up the hog he fights it till he can grab hold of the neck or flip it over. I then shoot the hog We use the hogs for meat so if it were to get mangeled the dog would not be used to hunt. I did not look at you links becuase i cant veiw videos on my computer but from what labbreeder said they are just doing not hunting they are just letting it fight. This is not hog huntin.
Well I don't want to upset anyone but I will share my opinion on letting your dog "fight" with a pig.
Pigs come in all sizes and some of the websites I looked at involved wild boars that go 300lbs+. I don't have much experience with these besides what I read but I know a domesticated pig can kill a dog...with that in mind I would never risk my dogs life for any "sport", heck I would not risk my dog getting any real injury for a sport.
I don't understand how you can love something and then sic it on a creature that can kill it (even it rarely happens). When I searched abunch of these pro-hog dog sites, they had galleries of their dogs and many of the dogs had lots of scaring.
Pigs come in all sizes and some of the websites I looked at involved wild boars that go 300lbs+. I don't have much experience with these besides what I read but I know a domesticated pig can kill a dog...with that in mind I would never risk my dogs life for any "sport", heck I would not risk my dog getting any real injury for a sport.
I don't understand how you can love something and then sic it on a creature that can kill it (even it rarely happens). When I searched abunch of these pro-hog dog sites, they had galleries of their dogs and many of the dogs had lots of scaring.
I would rather the dogs not be involved in the hunt at all but if they have too I would rather them say out of the Pigs reach and just bay until you catch up. Why are dogs needed anyway? Every animal on the planet can be hunted without dogs why do people need "Hog-Dogs"? I have seen pictures and stories of people who kill huge boars without dogs.....
yes it is a risk i take when we go and hunt but it is a risk all hunter take with their dogs i have also coonhunted and many other types of huntin. there is always i risk to the animal. it is something you accept and i do it because i enjoy hunting and my dad and i kill all of our familys meat. and yes alot of the hogs are 300+ a hog at thanksgiving i got a hog that was 352 lbs. we are careful and take precautions i have never had one of our hog dogs die from getting hurt by the hog yes we have had injuries but you accept that take care of your dog and decide whether you want to hunt again or nat. and for me its hunt i have been huntin my whole life and i never plan on stopping. with anything you accept risks and i accept these and prevent them as much as i can.
Feeling as strongly about my dogs as I do (they are my children) I find your views very alien. You seem to be willing to risk your dogs life because of your "enjoyment" and "tradition". To me my dogs life is my priority one to protect.
Would you go "hunting" with your brother or father if they had to put themselves at risk like the dogs do? If your brother or father had to hand to hand a pig, would you still say "I am willing to accept the risk because I enjoy it?" This idea might be foolish and alien to you but I view my dogs as family and look at them the exact same way.
I truly hope your dogs stay safe and your hog kills are very swift.
Would you go "hunting" with your brother or father if they had to put themselves at risk like the dogs do? If your brother or father had to hand to hand a pig, would you still say "I am willing to accept the risk because I enjoy it?" This idea might be foolish and alien to you but I view my dogs as family and look at them the exact same way.
I truly hope your dogs stay safe and your hog kills are very swift.