Are the dogs responsible?

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http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/story/0,20797,19858956-952,00.html

This is a terrible article about a 4 year old girl who was killed by 3 hunting dogs. She left her home after dark, wandered past 6 houses to climb two fences and then go into the dog pen unattended. She'd been playing with the dogs earlier that day, obviously with an adult present. I'd be interested in opinions - are the dogs responsible? They were locked away, the child went into their yard...

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Sorry, here's the text of the article..



Warning comes too late



July 21, 2006

A MAN whose family's three dogs attacked and killed a young NSW girl has warned owners of other hunting dogs not to trust "the bastards".

Four-year-old Tyra Kuehne went missing from her family home in Warren, near Dubbo, and was found in the yard of a nearby family friend's house at about 7.30pm on Wednesday.

She had severe injuries to her head, neck and torso.

Six crossbred hunting dogs were held in the yard but police believe only three attacked the girl.

She was taken, in critical condition, to Warren Hospital for emergency treatment but died just after 3am yesterday.

Tom Wilson, who had found the girl in his back yard, said he thought of her as a daughter.

"We've lost a little angel. She is like a daughter to me," he said.

"It's an unfortunate thing. No one home, a little girl got into the yard.

"My advice to anyone with pig dogs, regardless of what breed they are, don't trust the bastards."

He said the girl was at his house "every day" and knew the dogs.

"I thought, they're my boy's dogs . . . I thought you could trust any one of them," Mr Wilson said.

National RSPCA president Dr Hugh Wirth said he hoped authorities would "throw the book" at the owner.

"I am angry about this. Dog behaviour is clearly predictable and the RSPCA thinks the dog owner ought to be responsible," Dr Wirth said.

"I don't know NSW law, but I hope it is rather like Victorian law, where the owner is responsible, and they throw the book at the owner because they have clearly done nothing to prevent this from happening."

The cross-breed hunting dogs responsible for the attack should have been securely penned, Dr Wirth said.

"Here we have a four-year-old who has strayed into the neighbour's yard, who the dogs probably know, and she has done something innocently that has caused the dogs to attack.

"Why was a child allowed anywhere near them?

"Why were they not locked up in a proper dog enclosure so no child or adult could come near them?"

Acting Commander of the Darling River Local Command Alan Cusack said the girl had been playing in the same yard only earlier that day.

"These were family friends involved and the child had actually been in the yard earlier that day. There had been no incident but it appears she's wandered back in on her own later on that evening," he said.

"Unfortunately, then the attacks occurred."

Commander Cusack said the death was a terrible thing for the girl's family and their friends.

"It's a dreadful thing for the people of Warren and especially the families involved," he said.

"We've spent some time with the family and they're in utter shock."

The owner of the dogs has not been named.

He said police would now prepare a report for the coroner and a decision would be made on what to do with the hunting dogs.
 

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hmm... i think the parents should have been supervising a four year old! she should not have been able to exit her yard let alone get into someone else's.

i don;t like just blaming the dogs in these situation because a lot of the time. there is a trigger to provoke it. perhaps something a hunting dog is taught to recognise as a symbol of prey.
 

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100% the fault of the parents. The RSPCA guy isn't helping with his "throw the book at them" mentality.
 
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they are destroying the dogs for doing what they were trained to do. that is horrible, defanately not the dogs fault
 
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Who in there right mind loses a 4 year old??

If the child had run into the street and been hit by a car would they be only blaming the drive or would they be pointing the finger at these stupid parents??

Not to mention hunting dogs are the most likely to do something like this because they hunt smaller prey. Even if the girl knew the dogs, she always came in with an adult, so comming in by herself who knows what happened?

Obviously they saw an intruder on there property and thought it was prey. This is very sad. I think the parents should be charged for child endangerment. I have no idea how you lose a 4 year old!
 
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I blame the parents. It is their responsibility to watch their 4 year old child. Do they routinely let their child wander the neighoborhood in the late evening hours? They should be slapped with child endangerment, neglect and (if possible) assisted murder/homicide.
The dogs were in their own yard and a small being wandered in. If the child was on hands and knees, it's easy to see how the hunting dogs could mistake her (regardless of how many times she'd been there before) for something needing to be "hunted".
Blame the parents and put them in jail for allowing their child to DIE! :mad:
 

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Oh my, this is quite sad. But again, why did these people not watch their child? I would NEVER leave my boy alone, unless he was asleep, and all my door have locks that are high up, so he doesnt get out
 

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it is 100% the parents fault!thats sad! besides they don't know what really happened. For all they knew the dogs were just playing too rough, and did what excited dog do. I just think its wrong!
 

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100% parents fault. How can you lose your 4 year old after dark? Either the kid was home alone, or was clearly not properly being taken care of.
 
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Scotia said:
http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/story/0,20797,19858956-952,00.htmlThis is a terrible article about a 4 year old girl who was killed by 3 hunting dogs. She left her home after dark, wandered past 6 houses to climb two fences and then go into the dog pen unattended. She'd been playing with the dogs earlier that day, obviously with an adult present. I'd be interested in opinions - are the dogs responsible? They were locked away, the child went into their yard...Scotia
Personally, I feel the owner was responsible for the safety and security of his dogs, which he treated in a way that encouraged pack behavior and aggression, and he betrayed them and his neighbors by having a pen that was able to be accessed by a 4-year-old. These dogs were hunting animals that were being housed outside because they weren't particularly thought of as domesticated pets. I'm a soft little suburbanite so that seems a little harsh to me, but as long as the dogs are basically cared for, I'm willing to accept that everyone's different. But when something like this happens, why does this guy get the benefit of the doubt of someone whose lab snarled at a visitor from the front porch? When you treat dogs like livestock, especially when you keep them in groups, they behave more basically, more instinctively, without the reserves of constant interaction with humans. And these were some sort of 'hunting dogs' to begin with, which sounds like they were bred only for hunting, and not particuarly for being good pets. This man chose this sort of dog, and chose not to consider the dangers of having this sort of dog in close proximity to other people. I am sorry to disagree with everyone, but I don't see how the parents' possible negligence in not knowing where the child was even approaches the culpability of having a pack of semi-civilized dogs contained in a pen that can be accessed by a very small child.
 
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To me this is nothing more than a tragic accident, why the witch hunt to "blame" someone is always on, I don't know. The guy had his dogs in an enclosure. It was his property, it wasn't unknown that he had dogs in that enclosure. If laws allowed you to electrify your fence and put razor wire above it, i think a lot of people would do it to keep people out, but laws don't allow it.

To me, an enclosure needs to keep people NOT on your property safe, nothing more. Just because you have a dog doesn't mean you're responsible for every person you ever come in contact with while with your dog.

its tragic that she died, but her parent's have just as much responsibility in this as the owner of the dogs. They let their 4 year old out at night???? Not to say it doesn't happen, i venture to guess that everyone of us when we were 4 got out of our parentn's sight for a good while and made them frantic looking for us, and i'm sure our kids will do it at some point as well to us. If you don't think it will, i would probably just chalk it up to wishful thinking.

Having dogs run together outside is not a crime, nor should it be. Its only been relatively recently that dogs have become "fur babies" and "fur kids" that must be pampered at every whim. For thousands of years, and in many other cultures dogs are dogs. They live solitary or in bunches outside the family home scavenging for leftovers and hunting with, or keeping other things away from the home.

many people in this country use dogs for their intended purposes. He had dogs for hunting wild hogs, if you think dogs are dangerous, wait till the next 4 year old wonders off a path and is attacked by wild hogs, you've probably never seen an animal quite as ferocious as a wild hog, if you think i'm kidding, you'd better hope you never come face to face with one. by a hogs nature they already stay away and are rarely seen today by people, but its not hard to see many wild animals coming into more and more contact with humans every year, and there's no reason to think it won't happen with hogs someday. Anyone know how they reproduce and how long it takes an escaped hog from a farm to go wild?? No domesticated animal on the face of the earth does it as quickly as a hog. SO when hog attacks on wondering 4 year olds becomes a problem, are you still going to persecute a man because he keeps dogs for the explicit use of hunting hogs??

Anyway neither side should probably be persecuted by all of us non wrong doing ever people, but there is some responsibility to be had on both sides that contributed to a tragic accident.
 
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And just think if it was a law to electrify the fence and that little girl still got over or under it! She would have been electrocuted. Imagine who would be to blame then?
 
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Oh and by the way i think it is 100% the parents fault for not watching their kid to the point where she opened the front door and went outside and a few houses down to the neighbors. The dogs were secured on their own property and they are HUNTING DOGS for god's sake. What do you think they are going to do to a small child crawling on the ground to come pet them, at night, in the dark I am assuming or evening. D'OH people!
 

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I blame the parents and the owner both. The parents for not watching their child, and the owner for having a pack of hunting dogs locked up in a pen that was so insecure that a 4-year-old child could gain access to it.

But regardless of blame, I agree 100 percent that the dogs should be PTS.
 

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I think first and foremost this is a terrible accident and tragedy. If blame is to be handed out I think that it is clearly the fault of the parents of the 4yr old. How the heck can you lose track of a 4yr old for that length of time? You can argue that the guy should have had little friendly dogs or some kind of super kennel in his yard but the simple fact remains the animals were on his property. If the dogs would have been loose and attacked the girl in her yard or a public place then the blame would be to the dog owner. To those of you who think the blame is the dog owners….what would you say if she wandered to a farmers property and was kicked by a horse or trampled by a cow? How about if she ran out into the street and was killed by a car that was going the speed limit? The world is a dangerous place and the most basic responsibility of parents is to protect their child and they clearly failed at this duty.
 
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If you have the dogs in a fence or on a leash in YOUR yard then they are secure stay out of said individuals yard when they are not home. Americans yes I said Americans (I am one) need to own up to their irresponsibility. Who in their right mind lets their 4y/o wonder off on their own?

I am sorry but the dogs were secure and HUNTING dogs are trained with a pack mentality. That being said its not the dogs or the dogs owners fault that the girl died. The little girls parents are to be held responsible for neglect to a certain degree.

I will listen to anyone who is willing to argue if they say they will let their 4 y/o wonder outside after dark alone.

Crappy parents are to blame here, the dog owner needs his hunting abilities revoked!!
 

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