Administering Vaccinations at home

[AGonzalez]

Anyone can put something on the internet, not everyone can get something published, in a legit journal at least. <insert "no way such an edgy scientist will get published in today's scientific world" conspiracy theory here>

No you just plain had no clue who she was. Why can't you just admit that. Now you backtrack and say that you know people who know more than you that don't believe what Dr. Dodds has to say. But if you haven't read anything in a journal by her, then how would you know?

Give it up, you're digging to China.

 

[GlassOnion]

No you just plain had no clue who she was. Why can't you just admit that. Now you backtrack and say that you know people who know more than you that don't believe what Dr. Dodds has to say. But if you haven't read anything in a journal by her, then how would you know?

Give it up, you're digging to China.

Well I'm not sure what to say to that. You've obviously already decided that I didn't know who she was (though admittedly I didn't know the sex, though I don't know what relevance someone's sex has) so...

And how would I know what? How would I know what other people are saying about her? I know what people who've actually interacted with her personally know about her and her procedures that she's recommended to them. They don't jive. Giving a dog with consistently normal thyroid ranges from when they were a puppy thyroxine? That's not sound medicine.

She may have good intentions, and even do good itself, but there's a lot of vets who've personally dealt with her that have left with incorrect diagnosis'/suggestions from her after being referred from clients.


Anyhow we've already beat this to death. Y'allve formed y'alls opinions on what I meant and I don't see anyone changing stances here. Y'all are going to say I'm backing out but I'll stay and argue if you want, I'm just getting tired of it at the moment. So can we agree to disagree on how wonderful Dodds is? Or should we carry on some more?

 

[release the hounds]

I dont know everyone's sex either, but I do know what sex somebody is that I'm discrediting because I think they're full of it, or I'm familiar with their research or lack of. You didn't know who or what she had to say. you probably heard some professor or vet in a job shadow you've done talking badly about her because another client came in asking for a vaccine schedule based on what she has put up on the internet.

and i know a little about business, keeping and losing clients, ethics and what I thought of everything when I was just a wanna be, when I was a wanna be student and how those thoughts have changed over the years. Hopefully yours will too. You've got a lot to learn.

 

[GlassOnion]

you probably heard some professor or vet in a job shadow you've done talking badly about her because another client came in asking for a vaccine schedule based on what she has put up on the internet.

Nah. Most of the negative comments aren't even in regards to vaccines, they have to do with her treatment of thyroid cases. That's what makes people go "wait, what's she talking about?" Kind of lends doubt to her vaccine policies.

and i know a little about business, keeping and losing clients, ethics and what I thought of everything when I was just a wanna be, when I was a wanna be student and how those thoughts have changed over the years. Hopefully yours will too. You've got a lot to learn.

I wouldn't say I'm a business mogul but the head vet I worked for knew I was shooting for vet school so she made sure I was exposed to the business side of her practice as well as the medical, since as a vet you're expected to do both unless you can hire a manager. So I wouldn't say I'm as clueless as you think I am.

 

[AGonzalez]

I dont know everyone's sex either, but I do know what sex somebody is that I'm discrediting because I think they're full of it, or I'm familiar with their research or lack of. You didn't know who or what she had to say. you probably heard some professor or vet in a job shadow you've done talking badly about her because another client came in asking for a vaccine schedule based on what she has put up on the internet.

and i know a little about business, keeping and losing clients, ethics and what I thought of everything when I was just a wanna be, when I was a wanna be student and how those thoughts have changed over the years. Hopefully yours will too. You've got a lot to learn.

^ This was what I was getting at. I find it hard to discredit someone so viciously over hearsay from a supposed "good source" that has probably never been mentioned in a journal, let alone published. Especially if you have never PERSONALLY read anything from them (this "Dodds guy" - regardless of sex confusion here, it's apparent you've never read it yourself or you would have said "I've read some of their articles and I don't believe them to be accurate because...")

Sorry, but journals and such are reviewed by others that are qualified to do so before they are published. The AVMA isn't going to publish something that has no bearing and is a complete bunch of crap. They're going to publish it based on facts and research, not "hearsay" from your vet or whomever.

I think you have a lot of learning to do. Not so much just that it's what someone wrote and you should at least read it before making an opinion on someone's OPINION on them, but reading it and doing research yourself before claiming it as crap.

That also doesn't mean you don't have respect for that persons opinion. I have had someone I respect tell me that clicker training is garbage. I've done my research and haven't had much success with it either. Does that mean that clicker training is complete garbage? No, many people have had great success with it. You can disagree after learning on your own, but to say that based on that one persons opinion of it, it is complete garbage or inaccurate is to say the very least close minded and ignorant.

 

[GlassOnion]

Sorry, but journals and such are reviewed by others that are qualified to do so before they are published. The AVMA isn't going to publish something that has no bearing and is a complete bunch of crap. They're going to publish it based on facts and research, not "hearsay" from your vet or whomever.

I'm aware of how articles are published. I'm also aware that people get excited about breakthroughs and sometimes things get pushed through that aren't exactly correct. See the 'vaccines = autism' study that was recently discredited for an example. That was reviewed as well.

 

[AGonzalez]

I'm aware of how articles are published. I'm also aware that people get excited about breakthroughs and sometimes things get pushed through that aren't exactly correct. See the 'vaccines = autism' study that was recently discredited for an example. That was reviewed as well.

I'm not saying that because it's been reviewed that it is the word of God, but that you should at least consider it before debunking something you obviously do not know about and have not read. It's like saying that all of Stephen Kings books suck, without ever having read one.

 

[corgipower]

It's like saying that all of Stephen Kings books suck, without ever having read one.

I haven't read Stephen King, but I gotta say...his books suck.

Now interviews with the man? Seriously intriguing. The man is pure genius.

 

[AGonzalez]

I haven't read Stephen King, but I gotta say...his books suck.

Now interviews with the man? Seriously intriguing. The man is pure genius.

I'll disagree here and say that his books are pure brilliance. Back to the topic at hand, I've read it, I like it. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong or that his books are great or terrible. LOL. Perfect example. I find it hard to debunk something before I've read it.

 

[Pam111]

GO, I would think that if we can be trusted to give ourselves injections of various meds that we can be trusted to give dogs an injection, too, right?
If you're comfortable doing it and trust where you get them from, I'd say why not? I've been charged 120 for puppy shots and a wellness visit that consisted of nothing except temp and a simple glance. That seems silly. If my dogs are sick, they will go to the vet, but I don't ALWAYS go for check ups. I take them to clinics sometimes for shots and I think that's fine.

 

[GlassOnion]

GO, I would think that if we can be trusted to give ourselves injections of various meds that we can be trusted to give dogs an injection, too, right?
If you're comfortable doing it and trust where you get them from, I'd say why not?

I really don't think (and I've gone back and re-read to check) that I ever said that people can't inject their animals. They do it all the time with insulin and some meds, but usually they're showed by the vet how to do it (plus with insulin needles they're not really long enough to hit much of anything) and get the meds from the vet (or a scripted pharmacy).

I just gave some things that could go wrong and to watch out for. "Scare tactics", evidently.

 

[Pam111]

Yeah, I agree someone should show you first. I've never done it, so I'm not comfortable doing it. I don't mind going to a low cost clinic or something just for a vaccine. If I need more done at the same time, then I go to the vet

 

[Dekka]

I'm aware of how articles are published. I'm also aware that people get excited about breakthroughs and sometimes things get pushed through that aren't exactly correct. See the 'vaccines = autism' study that was recently discredited for an example. That was reviewed as well.

Yes, so that means we should just discount everything in any paper then?

Seriously have you read your posts? She has published papers on so many things (not even all that many on vaccines) in many different journals for OVER 30 years. You would think there would be some refutes going on if she was full of crap...

I can't say I agree or disagree with a lot of her science, I have.not.read.the.papers.... So just who is it that you believe implicitly that their opinion is gospel? What happens if you get a prof when you go to vet school that says stuff that contradicts what you already 'know', will you stay open minded and learn?

You have gone from dismimmsing Dodds as some one of so little account that you claim you would change that you doubt she had ever been published in a real journal where you said

Find me this Dodds guy in a respectable journal publishment and not Dr. Google and I'll be more inclined to listen.

but you aren't listening.. you are showing you had no intent to listen at any point as this 'someone' you trust to think for you has already told you she is 'bad'..

Now it is interesting that some scientists have gotten some areas of science wrong (and had difficulty getting published even in obscure journals) but can be so brilliant at others. I hope when you do get to vet school you learn with an open mind, and actually listen BEFORE you make your mind up.

 

[sparks19]

This is exactly why I want to do them at home. I am charged $45 per dog just to walk in the door when we get the vaccinations done and they don't even look at the dogs.

The last time I was there Root was having a problem with his ears, so while I was getting his supposed wellness exam and his rabies shot I asked about his ears. The vet finished the vaccine and left the room without ever checking his ears out. So, when the vet tech came back in to give me the interceptor I had asked for I told her that the vet didn't check his ears.

Seriously, I think that veterinarians are overrated.

Seriously?

WOW I guess I'm VERY lucky to have the vet we have. when we go in for our yearly (and YES... vaccinations) she is very thorough. She gets right down on the floor with my dogs. checks their teeth and ears. listens to their heart and breathing. feels around the stomach and nether regions to make sure everything is good there and basically puts her hands over every inch of my dogs to make sure there isn't something there that isn't supposed to be there.

she's WONDERFUL. and not only is she thorough but you can tell she really likes dogs because she also spends a couple minutes just petting them and talking to them and giving them scratches behind the ears or belly rubs.

why would anyone go to a vet that doesn't actually LOOK at your dog.

No vets aren't over rated... you jsut have a bad one I suppose

If i thought I could handle administering a vaccine to my dogs on my own I might consider it. but I know I am definitely NOT cut out for that lol

 

[Pam111]

I haven't had super wonderful vets in the past.
I did really like the one I took the cats to recently. Prices were reasonable, they were very thorough, personable, and kind.

 

[GlassOnion]

What happens if you get a prof when you go to vet school that says stuff that contradicts what you already 'know', will you stay open minded and learn?

Depends. I'm not quite sure how you mean this statement.

I see it of two ways.

1) The prof is wrong and telling me something that I know isn't true. You're asking if I'll change my mind just because the prof told me so (as I've been accused of earlier in this thread).

2) The prof tells me something that contradicts a belief I had earlier. You're asking whether I'll pay attention to what they're saying. And again that depends on how it jives with other research.

Question: let's say a prof thinks science diet is the shiznit. Should I or should I not believe them?



And the definition of 'open-minded' is not to lend credence to every claim, regardless of how frivolous.

but you aren't listening.. you are showing you had no intent to listen at any point as this 'someone' you trust to think for you has already told you she is 'bad'..

Actually it's more of a lot of 'someone's. If it were a singular 'someone' then I wouldn't pay attention, but since it's a lot, well then I tend to think they're onto something. I can think for myself, thanks.

Y'all aren't listening either. I've had to re-state myself time and time again here and even when dragging stuff from other topics it was STILL wrong in the person's understanding.

 

[Dekka]

Sparks it can be hard to find a vet who will do that. I love my vet, this is one of the many reasons I love my vet. ANY time they come in they get an exam. They ask if I have any concerns at this time and listen to me.

But it is unfortunately common for vets to come in, pet the dog, give shots, pet dog/give treat and leave the room. More common in busy vet practises in large cities from my experience.

Makes me not want to move, I have a great small animal vet and a fantastic horse vet clinic...

 

[Dekka]

Question: let's say a prof thinks science diet is the shiznit. Should I or should I not believe them?

Neither right away.. You read what he cites as research. You maybe follow up on some of the citations. You balance that with what you know. If you have a good relationship with the prof you can ask to discuss it. Then if you choose to not believe you will know WHY. AND more important as a vet you can explain why.. not just cause someone said so.

There are many times in my life where I thought something was 'wrong'. Where I simply didn't understand or I was wrong. There is no shame in changing your mind to suit better facts.

 

[GlassOnion]

Neither right away.. You read what he cites as research. You maybe follow up on some of the citations. You balance that with what you know. If you have a good relationship with the prof you can ask to discuss it. Then if you choose to not believe you will know WHY. AND more important as a vet you can explain why.. not just cause someone said so.

And a lot of the research supports that SD isn't quite the devil it's made out to be here and on the online community. Is it a 'good' maintenance food? Hell to the no. It does meet the minimum requirements though.

And can some of the tailored diets effectively treat and control certain conditions? Yes.

There are many times in my life where I thought something was 'wrong'. Where I simply didn't understand or I was wrong. There is no shame in changing your mind to suit better facts.

I've had this too. It's critical to anyone, scientist or no.

This is not one of those times though.

 

[Dekka]

lol how can you know that? You didn't even know she was published... let alone dozens of times in highly respected journals? There is NO WAY you have read one single article...

And with the dog food the main issue is that there is no one not connected to the manufacture of the big name brands. BUT that doesn't mean one shouldn't' be aware of all the articles. Medical science is held to higher standards than dog nutrition...