5 reasons to stop saying "good job" child behavior

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what a load. I tell Hannah good job many times or "good listening" or Thank you or excellent work or you're very good at that etc etc etc

seriously? yes good job is going to ruin our children. Please. I can tell you that hannah does NOT do things to hear my praise or reaction ... unless it's something she finds funny. If my reaction is something she finds funny then she'll do it over and over again... but that's kids

When she does something well she gets a verbal recognition of it. that's not telling HER how to feel... it's telling her that I think it was very well done. When she does something incorrectly and needs help she will usually say "I need help" and then when she does it correctly I tell her good job or way to go because she worked at it and asked for help when she needed it and then we figured it out together.

seriously... I think "good job" is the LEAST of our worries when it comes to our children. if the WORST thing we are doing to them is offering th em a kind encouraging word... GOOD.

When she figures out something new on her own I tell her good job or that I'm so proud of her for figuring that out. she doesn't do things just to get my opinion that's for SURE. she's an extremely independant girl. She likes my praise and encouragement but I can tell you that's not what motivates her to try new things or to do the same thing over and over. she doesn't do something new and then look to me to get her "good job" reward. She just does what she does and if I see it I let her know that I saw it and thought it was great.

anyway... sorry most of the articles rub me the wrong way. Im' tired of hearing about how "saying this or doing that can ruin your child's psyche" NO abusing your children or not giving a crap about them or on the flip side never letting them fail ruins a childs psyche. I wonder how many of these "experts" have children of their own

/end rant lol

I for one will continue to tell Hannah "good job" when she's done something well and when she draws me a picture I will tell her it's beautiful because to me it IS beautiful. and yes children aren't dogs... but really positive reinforcement works wonders with both... but with children you also have to address the "bad" things they do. but really a lot of things people here would say about training certain things with dogs... will actually apply to children as well lol
 

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I think its a load in a way. While we dont need to say it for the tiniest things there are alot of times that its needed. Eg, Katie LOVES praise, you can tell. She actually helps me empty the dishwasher and pulls the clean clothes out of the dryer for me. I tell her good job all the time. She's only 16months old. Now if she was 15 I wouldnt say good job for the same thing.
 

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I think its a load in a way. While we dont need to say it for the tiniest things there are alot of times that its needed. Eg, Katie LOVES praise, you can tell. She actually helps me empty the dishwasher and pulls the clean clothes out of the dryer for me. I tell her good job all the time. She's only 16months old. Now if she was 15 I wouldnt say good job for the same thing.
this is true too. it has to be relevant to age.

I don't tell Hannah good job for clapping her hands anymore LOL. or jumping or walking.

but when she was first learning to do these things and did them correctly I would tell her GOOD JOB and while she doesn't seem to live for my praise it definitely encourages them to try again.

even young children feel embarassment. So falling down when trying to learn something new can really put a damper on them wanting to try again. encouragement that they did a good job and that it's ok to fall down is great for them. They did a good job for even TRYING something new.
 

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I have mixed thoughts on this. I think "all things in moderation." And maybe in some instances, one way is more effective and in other instances, the other way may be advantageous. I see what they mean though, in a way....to not have kids do things just for the praise but to get joy out of the activity or their creativity in itself.
 

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I didn't read the whole thing but I didn't have to because I think that a lot of that stuff is crap too... lol. The part about manipulating children... seriously? I guess that we're all manipulating our children into being polite and having good manners then... how awful of us.

About the praise junkies, there's a big difference between praising something that is new or rare (like my kids actually putting their toys away......), and praising every little thing over and over... Of course we don't want our kids not to do anything without looking at us for approval but kids get joy from a lot of stuff, whether we approve or not (toddler messes anyone?). Plus it makes no sense, I mean, when the kid is coming to you all happy because he did something, what are you supposed to say then? Ignore it? Wow I'm sure that the kid is going to feel so happy then...

There might be good points in there but it's lost in the BS lol (I mean, we're judging our kids when we say 'good job' now... wtf?)
 

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I was praised verbally as a kid, though not excessively. Praise is still VERY meaningful to me. Basically I was thanked when I did something to help around the house (particularly if it was unprompted) and then praised when I had a good report card (granted that was EVERY report card, but still) or when I had another big accomplishment at school - such as getting a 1 at the solo and ensemble festival, winning the spelling bee, and earning my IB diploma.

The whole "they'll know what you feel" thing is ****. I NEED to know what people feel. I'm terrible at reading people. I wish people would just say what the hell they mean more often, instead of keeping me guessing or beating around the bush. Also, about telling a child how to feel/what to think/what to do...yeah, if nobody ever told me any of those things, I'd seriously be screwed. I don't learn social rules by osmosis as a lot of people do. I need to be explicitly told what to do, how to act, how to react, etc or I'd never get it. Now once I am told what the "rules" are great, I can take it from there. But you can't withhold that information and still expect me to have ANY idea what I'm doing.

My best moments EVER are when my dad complements me as a dog trainer. There is no higher praise then the words of a job well done with a dog coming from my dad. I seriously teared up the first time he told me I'm a good trainer. There is nothing I take pride in more than that. If I didn't get praised for doing well, sure I'd still try training dogs. But honestly, I don't know that I ever would have had the confidence to think of doing it as a living.
 

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Darien NEEDS to be verbally appreciated. bah the article annoys me..

Manipulating children: Telling your child you are proud of the job they did is not manipulative. Heck I like to be told when someone thinks I did a good job. Its rewarding. If my child does an awesome job doing X why on earth wouldn't I let him know I thought he did a fantastic job?.. crazy

Creating praise junkies: What so we don't praise so they won't like it? As a parent it IS my job to control behaviour!! At least indirectly. Say please and thank you, wash your hands, listen to people, try hard in school, tell someone if you are uncomfortable.. etc etc.. Good parenting is about controlling your children until they have learnt a certain amount of self control themselves. Some areas of self control come easier than others lol.

Stealing a child’s pleasure: (telling the child how to feel) not really sure where they are going with this.. So if I don't say good job my child will automatically feel good about a job? Hmm if I tried extra hard on something and no one noticed that would certainly set me up to feel unappreciated, frustrated and if it kept happening I would feel less loved. Self worth is great, but what about all those kids who didn't come out of the womb as self loving and self actualizing? Now if I was to lie and say good job when my child knew it wasn't...

Losing interest: Sure children will do what gets attention. Its a good way to help instill good work skills in young children. We do the same thing at work, would we do all the things we do at work if there was no reward from the boss? Some things sure, but there are things we do only because someone in authority will notice us doing it 'their way' hoping for that raise, promotion etc.

Reducing achievement: Actually I have read some of the literature on the slowing of creative processes by reward (there is also a very good TED talk on the science of motivation) But this is so subjective. If you only say good job for the perfect outcome then yes you might create this issue. But if you are any kind of decent parent and reward some spectacular tries that failed then this is moot. ie "wow that was a good thought, great job there even though it didn't work in the end I am impressed with your creativity ...

Some of the 'adviee' at the bottom is good. Mindless praise is bad IMO. But praise where praise is due is not going to hurt your child. Just stating what your child did when your child is seeking approval on something that means a lot to them CAN hurt them.
 

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but I don't think kids do things or p articipate in activities that they don't enjoy unless they are forced.

I know hannah doesn't do things she doesn't like just because I give her praise for drawing me a nice "rainbow" (she tells me it's a rainbow... it doesn't look like a rainbow but she tried and she used her imagination with her drawing. both good things) she draws and colors because she likes it. No amount of praise is going to get her to color if she doesn't want to or doesn't like it.

and I think this is the case with most kids. They help empty the dishwasher because it's new and because they like it that th ey can help. but once that wears off... no matter how much praise you gave them... they aren't going to want to do it. hence teenagers who don't want to do chores LOL

kids aren't mindless robots. they have little personalities all their own and no amount of praise is going to make a toddler do something they don't want to do lol. or preschooler for that matter... which is when maybe you need to be stern. like cleaning up. Hannah won't clean up because I praised her for it lol. it's because I told her... YOU made this mess and YOU need to help clean it up. now let's go. THEN when she starts to do the job I asked or told her to do and does it well... then I will praise her for listening and doing a good job.
 

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Exactly Saeleofu... plus honestly if my kids grow up and try to get my approval, I'll be glad... better that than them doing things because they're scared of me.
 

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Interesting idea. I think there needs to be a balance, like people are talking about.

I do see the point about not putting a judgment of good vs. bad on any specific behavior when they are super little though. We're pretty careful not to tell Aurelia she's good or bad. Or that characters in a movie are bad or good. My therapist (who works primarily with children) was saying that if you put those ideas of good and bad into a child's head pretty early on, they start to form judgments about themselves.

Instead, we use the term "inappropriate". As in:

"It's inappropriate to climb on strangers."
"Using an outside voice in the house is inappropriate"

Or we ask her how she feels. She's gotten really good at articulating her emotions.

Like if she gives a toy to another kid, I ask her "How did you feel when you gave your toy away?" "How do you think >insert friend< felt when you gave them that toy?"

That way she thinks about it, and the behavior becomes rewarding to her because she recognizes it's the behavior making her feel good, not the behavior pleasing someone other than her.

Now every single time we take her to visit a friend, she runs into her room and picks a book or toy to give away.

Or if she's watching a movie and there is a villain doing mean things. We ask her how the other characters feel about it. She's pretty in tune with it. The other day she was watching the Princess and the Frog, and she was like, "That shadow man does inappropriate things! He makes people sad!":rofl1:

We do praise her for things though. Going potty on the toilet, behaviors that she struggles with, we'll recognize when she does remember and it makes her happy. Or if she has an accident, we'll ask how it feels to have wet pants. She says "uncomfortable".:p
 

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Exactly Saeleofu... plus honestly if my kids grow up and try to get my approval, I'll be glad... better that than them doing things because they're scared of me.
That was my thoughts. Or better than them not caring because their parents don't seem to care what they do.
 

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I give her praise for drawing me a nice "rainbow" (she tells me it's a rainbow... it doesn't look like a rainbow but she tried and she used her imagination with her drawing. both good things) she draws and colors because she likes it.
Some people may not agree with this, but I actually think its GOOD to encourage a child to draw their own way, instead of making them conform to standard of child drawing. In my interrealted arts (creativity) class this past semester, there were some examples of kids who drew AMAZING pictures before going to school - trees with branches, leaves, etc - and then after kindergarten their creativity was GONE and they drew "lollipop" trees and other dumbed-down shapes like every other kid. So go ahead, tell her her not-rainbow is an awesome rainbow! :)
 

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That article is ridiculous. You can't be negative and you can't praise? What kind of horrid unfeeling monster will that lead to?

Imagine this in an adult relationship and it's easy to see the stupidity. If I was to spend all day re-painting a room and my husband came home and all he said was "I see you painted the room." it would NOT go over well. I think most people would expect a response more along the lines of "Wow, the room looks great hun!"

On the other hand it would seem odd if he walked in and I had done the normal chores that day and he said "I'm so proud of you doing the dishes!"

It seems to me that kids are no different. Praise can be over used, but so can anything else. It's all about balance and these studies always seem to forget that. They pull out one aspect of parenting, hyper-analyze it and then declare it evil. If a parent actually tried to follow all of these studies they would never show any feelings to their children whatsoever. No praise, no negativity, nothing of what makes us human with all the emotions that go along with that. It's ridiculous.
 

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Yep I agree.... you go to work everyday and work your butt off and it's totally ignored. do you just go on happy go lucky because you love working? NO... you want your accomplishments to be recognized. whether by a "Good job on that report etc etc" or if you are lucky a raise or promotion. just loving the job is not enough to be put on the back burner and NEVER recognized

whether anyone thinks it's bad or not... children seek their parents approval and attention. while they don't do EVERYTHING for our attention it is needed. when they do something well you address it. like if your child plays really hard on the soccer field... even if they didn't score a goal you still praise them for trying their best event hough they didn't "produce results"

I don't prompt hannah to color or draw... she does it on her own. most of the time she doesn't come right to me to show me her picture. but if I see it on my own I'll tell her she's doing a good job because she's at least trying. or if she picks out a certain color or ask her to pick one out and she does I tell her good job.

and in turn... she tells me the same thing when I do something well lol. like when I pee on the potty... something we are still working on with her. but when I go potty, wipe and flush she says "YAY good job mommy" LOL so not only has she learned to TAKE praise (which a lot of people have trouble with in adulthood actually... praise and compliments) but she also knows how to GIVE praise which is very important
 

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Some people may not agree with this, but I actually think its GOOD to encourage a child to draw their own way, instead of making them conform to standard of child drawing. In my interrealted arts (creativity) class this past semester, there were some examples of kids who drew AMAZING pictures before going to school - trees with branches, leaves, etc - and then after kindergarten their creativity was GONE and they drew "lollipop" trees and other dumbed-down shapes like every other kid. So go ahead, tell her her not-rainbow is an awesome rainbow! :)
Off topic but I ALWAYS got in trouble in preschool or kindergarten for not coloring neatly or in the lines.
 

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Off topic but I ALWAYS got in trouble in preschool or kindergarten for not coloring neatly or in the lines.
Me too, and it always pissed me off :p You would not believe how much that one college class boosted my creativity. It really made me sad that so much creativity is lost in school :(
 

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I guess this is just me but I tell my family thank you when they do stuff for me. I say good job when someone tries something new or something they were balking about. I show interest if they're doing things on their own volition. Most of all I say "I love you, have a great day/good night" when we go to sleep or leave someone behind at school or daycare.

To me this stuff isn't rocket science, it's emotional support combined with reality. Not every kid is a NASA scientist but every kid should have their exploration of this world supported. As far as what kids will value as they get older, peer acceptance, and your acceptance should matter but should not be the only thing. Talk about what your values are with your kids and why and speak to your kids on how they should behave towards other people and how other people should treat them.
 

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Some people may not agree with this, but I actually think its GOOD to encourage a child to draw their own way, instead of making them conform to standard of child drawing. In my interrealted arts (creativity) class this past semester, there were some examples of kids who drew AMAZING pictures before going to school - trees with branches, leaves, etc - and then after kindergarten their creativity was GONE and they drew "lollipop" trees and other dumbed-down shapes like every other kid. So go ahead, tell her her not-rainbow is an awesome rainbow! :)
hehe I will.

there is actually an episode of a show she likes (mickey mouse clubhouse) about art and it sings a song

"there is no right or wrong when it comes to making art. making sure that you have fun is the most important part"

I kind of like that episode. while I do want her to be able to draw circles and squares and such correctly... I also want her to be able to use her imagination and draw a rainbow the way SHE sees it.

if you ask her about a rainbow she knows that it's red then orange then yellow then green then blue then purple (ok it's violet and indigo lol but we use purple right now) she understand it and she knows what a rainbow looks like if you show her one and ask what it is. but when she draws one it's not the stereotypical rainbow.... it's how SHE wants to express a rainbow and I think that's great.

what good is drawing and coloring if you can't express yourself :) there are no pink bunnies or purple kittens but when we color together I sure like to color them that way :D
 

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I too think the article is a load of bull.

I agree with pretty much everything the previous posters said.

I like to hear "good job" and "thank you" even if it is something that I am supposed to do, it's nice to be noticed and appreciated.

I tell my nephew and my son "good job" all the time. Of course like sparks said it's age appropriate, I'm not going to be saying good job when Mason claps now, but when he puts the right shapes in the right holes, I tell him "great job".

Also I try to say thank you all the time.

I don't really consider it positive reinforcement, because to me it is just me letting my kids know I am proud of them. And I think that is important.
 

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